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I tried to keep my salt rate as low as possible. I even hibernated, seeing my friends , , and doing so well I didn't even have to react at anything Sonic. But now I'm forced to end my slumber.
Oh good Enerjak what have we done to get that? I know I already planned not to go see this movie in theater and torrent it anytime it was out in DVD just to roast it but... WHAT IN THE ENTIRE GALAXY IS GOING ON?! How do we deserve that? After so many fucking years of asinine games and bad writing, now we get a movie that looks so bad it hurts, and the screenplay's made by dumbasses whose knowledge is only on parody movies! Sega! Do you just want to dig Sonic's grave?! What the fuck did you have in mind when you saw that design and said "Oh, it looks A-OK to us, go ahead"?!
I wanted to boycot that movie, and now you gave me the bullets to do my stuff.
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28 combined seconds of Wreck-It Ralph and Ralph Breaks the Internet portrayed Sonic WAY better than the staff behind this 88-minute movie.
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Actually even SEGA hates this design. Do you know that?
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Yup, that's actually finally something good coming out of them, after all these days of making bad decision after bad decision
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Heck from what said in his recent post, this design is the only one that almost everyone including SEGA themselves agree that it is bad and the amount of people who likes this design is below 10%.
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A movie that could actually make Sonic 06 look like ART.
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Heh, at least 06 didn't look that uncanny with the semi-realistic humans. There, they just stripped off everything that made Sonic iconic for the sole sake of being "realistic". The iconic eye shape? Gone, for what looks like regular hedgehog eyes with small pupils (and I can bet you they won't be green but black). His iconic shoes? Gone, for regular sneakers you can find in any thrift shop, where they could've at least given him the SOAP shoes since they were based on real-world shoes (or they could have made the white stripe a strap and the buckle just a decoration), with laces that are just a hazard for a speedster. At least the fur could pass for me, if only they make it not flow in the air like real fur but make it more straight and stiff like hedgehog quills. But the overly humanoid shape is a no for me, he doesn't look slick anymore, he just looks like a midget in a fursuit (no offense to the furries out there)
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HIGHLY AGREE, but if there's one way to make Sonic work in the real world, take lessons from Mario Odyssey and the team behind the Smash Brawl Subspace Emissary cutscenes.
I mean GODDAMN, they made Snake fit excellently in that universe.
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How do you fuck something up that 0 Mother fucking 6 pulled of much much better.
I usually don't like to grab the foul words but how else do you describe something that looks like the kind of designs the fan base use to make as a parody of a realistic looking Sonic.
Apparently doesn't he even wear gloves and actually has 2 eye balls.
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His design is going to be semi realistic to fit the humans in the world which is sort of strange to me. In order to make the cartoon hedgehog less cartoony they sort of try to blend the two mediums together. The way his fur looks in the silhouette I'm getting Boom vibes but there's not too much to gain from a silhouette other than a vague observation.
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Well, the silhouette alone lets you know he's gonna have a more humanoid body and no noodle limbs, but now it's realistic for the sole sake of being realistic. Heck, Detective Pikachu is realistic but they maintained the cartoony features of the PokΓ©mon, and it looks fantastic! Here? I puked from the window thrice yesterday
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I'd rather see him in action at least....the cartoon in the real world thing can work when they play with it and challenge the suspension of disbelief. Roger Rabbit worked because it was clear it was a cartoon world Space Jam also did that but in reverse as the humans were going to the cartoon world. Honestly if they do play with the idea it makes it slightly less jarring otherwise we might just get "humans going through human problems with cartoon characters around them in the background"
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This design is just funny to me, that's all. I don't have any real expectations for this movie.
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pfff SEGA's already dug Sonic grave after what happened with Sonic forces. Besides, it could've been worse. We could've had Sonic Armageddon made by Ken Penders instead.
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Or Boom. It's just now the grave's gonna have a very big stone on top...
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dug his grave BRUH sonic is not dying you gave up because of a few games you didn't like your a disappointment to this fanbase as if the whole fanbase isn't a disappointment
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Laces on sneakers? For a speedster like Sonic? I feel like it's quite hazardous when you're the fastest thing alive...
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Well it would help explain why Sonic has a tendency to fall flat on his face. Just be glad they didn't put him in something ridiculous like high-heels for example. x'D
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Would've liked the SOAP shoes, though, since they went full-on realistic. At least that would've been based on games canon and not look stupid
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SOAP shoes?
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The shoes he had in Sonic Adventure 2, based on real life shoes branded by SOAP shoes
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Yeah it may just a be a silhouette but it does look bad so far, and I'm one of the weirdos who's open to the idea of a live action Sonic (it's mostly the other stuff revealed that turns me off). What do you think would have been a better design for Sonic if you don't mind me asking?
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Well, first of, not that. But preferably keep his games look, maybe more on the SA2 design cause it embodies his character the best imo, and just split the eyeball in 2 if you really want this as you said in an interview. I know SEGA doesn't like the idea of a split eyeball, but heh, why not? But I'd rather keep him more cartoony, more... himself
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Also maybe add some realistic textures, I mean there's that Detective Pikachu movie that's basically just taking the Pokemon models and adding realistic textures, but with Sonic you'd also have to split the eyes too.
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Yeah, didn't mention that but yeah, I'd go for realistic textures as well. Heck, the only good thing from this poster is the quills, I really like how they did it, though it looks more like fur and not like actual hedgehog quills
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Well if the IGN interview is to be believed is it actually fur.
Because apparently does Miller thing something needs fur to be realistic despite the fact that Hedgehogs are covered for half of there body in Quills rather than fur.
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Yeah I'm not sure how they could confuse the spikes on his back for fur instead of quills (I mean didn't they study actual hedgehogs when making the design)?
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Its kind of baffling how something like this can actually happen.
On the other hand what do you expect when the 2 unwritten rules over Sonic's Character design are just Brocken.
This new Sonic has nether Gloves nor does he has one eye with 2 irises like in the past no he now has 2 EYES.
I now fear what Eggman may look like.
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Okay I will agree that he should be aloud to keep his gloves but I disagree that he needs to have one eye in this movie. I mean you might have a point on keeping the one eye thing if it were animated movie or a comic or game but for a live action movie the one eye look wouldn't work at all, sure you could reference it in some way, one idea I like is having white fur on his face to emulate the look.Β
I figured that they'll put Jim Carry in a fat suit and fake mustache and shave his head or make him wear a bald cap. I'm also wondering if he'd still have the same amount energy in this role as he did with some of his past characters like Count Olaf from Series of Unfortunate Events or the Grinch.Β
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I don't really see the problem in the one eye thing I mean not only is Sonic even in his own world member of the only species with such a feature (really only hedgehogs have the one eye thing going for them) but is it also one of the things basically no one even notes until its pointed out to them.
Also does Sonic design run into problems with 2 eyes because his entire head had to be restructured because the heads of all the hedgehog characters are structured around the one eye gimmick there look simply way to small when you give them just 2 eyes.
Beside this am I not sure how the whole 1 eye thing could even be the deal breaker with a blue anthro hedgehog in Live action. Beside this Detective Pikatchu gets away with playing all the Pokemon designs straight and just give them more realist looking textures (that kind of remind me of Gen 1 art work).
While Jim can at least act in mask as seen in The Grinch do I fear after the sonic design that there will manage to make him even thinner than his 06 design in the name of realism.
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I don't know how splitting the eyes would disrupt the head's structure (also there are non hedgehog character who have the one eye thing mainly Vector, Charmy, Mighty and Ray). The main reason the one eye thing wouldn't work in live action is that it's too unnatural as no living creature has eyes like that regardless of how much you use the whole being a different species excuse. The reason Pokemon is able to get away with basically just taking the regular designs and putting realistic textures on them is that they don't really have stuff like conjoined eyes so they can still appear as somewhat natural, not to mention the difference in context regarding their designs, when Pokemon was made it had the more anime aesthetic in mind as in a slightly semi realistic style that was still pretty cartoony, while Sonic characters in the early days were made in the style of old timey cartoon characters like Mickey Mouse and Felix the Cat.
There's this one redesign I thought was pretty good that basically added realistic textures to Sonic but also split the eyes up: aminoapps.com/c/sonic/page/bloβ¦
The whole thinner Eggman thing made me think of the Boom design and my frustrations with it. On it's own the Boom Eggman design is actually pretty good especially with the militaristic look, my issue is that due to no being fat but rather muscular the name Eggman doesn't make sense for the character since he doesn't look anything like an egg (don't get me started on the upside down egg crap). I wouldn't have issue if he were named Robotnik, I mean sure you're still missing the fattness which is a major part of the character but it would still make sense since he does mainly work with robots. I mean I can get behind a muscular Eggman if it were a Kingpin type situation where he still looks fat.
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Let me quickly explain the connection between Sonic's eyes and his head structure, Sonic characters are designed to be easily drawn to Children can draw them with no problems. This leads to the fact that with out his big eye Sonic's face looks rather plain so unless you put something else between his eyes like you suggested (which however than also has a pretty good change at looking off with out example does the out of nowhere white fur not look all that good when you look at it for a bit longer (or at least to me)) or have to change sonic's face structure to compensate for the now lacking parts. Characters like Tails for example don't have his problem because there have something else like his longer out sticking nose or Creams orange fur around her eyes. This is also especially problematic for the hedgehog characters like Sonic and Shadow because there quills make there faces look a bit bigger than there actually are.
I hope this explanation makes at sense to you.
Also Sonic's design is going to look off no matter what no bipedal creators could have arms and legs as thine as sonic and the movie making them more realistic is one of the most criticized parts about the movies redesign this far. So in other words you can not please people while making sonic look actually realist the most people are willing to swallow is the Pokemon way by keeping there ridicules designs intact and just add realistic textures like fur and such to it.
Also Sonic's adventure era re-design was also made to be more anime so with it being based on modern sonic should this not be a point of argument not to mention the Pokemon movie is even playing Psyduck and Mr.Mime's designs straight and there are no more ridicules than the modern Sonic ones.
To be honest at first couldn't I even see that he didn't just still have 1 eye but ones I noted did this random white patch of fur look really random so I am not sure how this is actually better than just keeping the 1 eye thing but I guess you have your right to have your own opinion.
Yes Eggman being Eggman without looking like an Egg is always pretty nonsensical. I just fear that good old Robotnik is going to look more like Dr.Kintobor than his actual design.
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Yes I know that the Sonic characters were originally designed to be easy for kids to draw. Also as you said you'd need to put something between the eyes if his eyes split and I was suggesting something like that, but you turned that down because you think it'd look off how would that look off exactly? Also while yes the Adventure redesign was more anime influenced they also kept stuff like the cyclops eyes and the noodle limbs because those were already established and they weren't trying to put him in live action. Also the thing with those Pokemon is that while yes they do look ridiculous but they don't have stuff like the cyclops eyes. Sure the limbs being thin are unrealistic but it's easier to suspend disbelief over that than with the eyes since the face is where most people's focus would be so that type of stuff would be more noticeable. Also did everyone forget about Sonic 06 that put Sonic a cartoony character next to photo realistic humans which got a lot of backlash, or the Sonic Fan Film from a few years ago which put Sonic in live action and just took his regular design and put realistic textures on it that also got a lot of backlash?
Honestly a lot of the complaints regarding the design mainly about the cyclops eyes not being included just convinces me that a lot of it has to do with the fact that people just wanted an animated movie and just not want any significant changes to Sonic's design at all despite when they're needed to make work in live action. I mean we just had an argument over the freakin eyes that ought to tell you something. I mean seriously splitting up Sonic's eyes shouldn't be that big a deal and as far as I'm concern is mostly on the level of him having green eyes vs black eyes.
Now that I look at it I don't think I dislike the movie design as most people do (probably because of being annoyed with people bringing up the lack of cyclops eyes as a major complaint, to the point its making me start to resent the cyclops eyes a bit but lets no dwell on that), but I still don't think its a good design, my main issue is the legs look too human. If you want to make a realistic Sonic maybe make the legs look closer to that of an actual hedgehog and make his shoes look closer to the actual game shoes (or at least make them Soap Box shoes), not sure on the eyes since they're mostly obscured in the poster though people think they'd be beady which I can understand complains about but I'll probably give it a try. Either way I'll have to see the design actually move before making any final judgments.
You know I would actually love it if they used the Fleetway backstory for the movie but I kind highly doubt they'd reach that far out.Β
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Well to get to your Idea first am I not sure what even is the point of removing the one eye thing when to replace it was a patch of fur am I not sure why even change it given how similar it at first looks but beyond this is my problem (which could be a totally personal one I admit) is that the lines that break the eyes from the fur looks as if it shouldn't belong there and so it comes of as off to me.
Again why hang so on the one eye thing its something most non fans don't even note until its pointed out to them and its not any more ridicules than the nuddle limbs (also Greyninja is one of the Pokemon in the movie and its literally wears its tongue as a scarf and there changed nothing about it.)
Using 06 backslash as an argument isn't all that great and argument almost everyone that speaks about it ether ether talking about the In game graphics which do have there issues especially with rather badly character animation making it look far worse than it should be and most others are on the no Humans (or at most unleashed Humans) other than Eggman in sonic ever. Which is a crowd that would never like a Live action CGI sonic movie on principle and so should be ignored for such a project.
And the Sonic Fan film simply has a rather bad looking modle which isn't surprising its a FAN film after all a officially made movie with a really big budged behind it should be able to pull something like this far better off.
(even through I am personally of the opinion that the Design wouldn't need to be change at all because I can accept a lot of things as long as it doesn't look ugly to me)
I mean sure people would be happier over an animated movie that for sure but still the removal of the Cyclops eyes is only one of the many parts of Sonic's design that since 1991 never changed that this movie is just throwing out of the window and unlike the 90's TV shows and Comics which had hardly any material to work with can this excuse not be used for this movie not to mention that even than all this other versions of sonic never deviated this much from the core design so that all of this Iconic elements of Sonic's design are changed makes each individual change only all the more glaring as part of a greater problem.
And here is a serious question for you. IF you can't make a sonic movie in the stile of a live action CGI hybrid without making sonic nearly unrecognizable to the point were all most all of his most important design traits that survived throughout all of his numerous redesigns between, Games, Comics , TV Shows and time over a 25 year long time span to not make him look out of place THAN why would you make such a movie in the first place?
Well I dislike the movies design for quit a few reasons and be it that even Sonic Man from 06 had more sonic like proportion than this redesign which is still as short as sonic should be but with really muscular arms and legs a rather tiny torso , really small hands, way to normal looking shoes and than the fear how his face looks given both the rest of the design as well as what seams to be the outlines of a normal looking hedgehog eye (I could live with your solution even if I still think its unnecessary but I don't believe for a second that real hedgehog eye sonic can actually look good especially with such a human lower body it will be a total mishmash)
Also a short side-note many people point right now to the Live action GCI hybride sonic Car insurance commercial as showoff how the design change really isn't necessary and while you may disagree I certainly share this opinion and don't thing sonic looks off at all in this real set interaction with real humans.
Na many we all know how this plots go sonic was just minding his own business in his world until he all of a sudden falls through a magical portal leading directly to New York...To be honest I would find this any more stupid than the fleetway origin because I always disliked it.
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I mean if Noodle Limbs is such an issue they could subtly add 'joints' to give an indication of a regular limb. Also with Gremninja they can still do the tongue because he's supposed to be a frog like creature and frogs are known for having long sticky arms so it's not that out of the question to have one wear their tongue like a scarf, sure might not be biologically possible in real life but in fiction that can allow some suspension of disbelief. Also you like to bring up the fact that people don't notice that Sonic's eyes are conjoined until it's pointed out to them, that's because normally Sonic is just in video games and cartoons or comics not in live action movies with realistic rendering.Β
For Sonic's design I don't hold the cyclops eye in that high regard, the way I see there are much, Much more important aspects to Sonic's design, mainly his quill designs, his shoes and his color scheme. I mean the design here while pretty bad is still recognizable as Sonic because of the quills and the color scheme, though the shoes are still off.Β
Yeah you'd think going for an animated movie would be the obvious choice, but my guess for why they decided to go live action is because well sadly there is a bit of a stigma towards animation with many people not taking animation very seriously thinking it's only kids stuff, they probably want to make an action movie aiming towards the Transformers or Marvel Cinematic Universe crowds. I mean there's not really much in terms of animated action films these days all I can think of are Kung Fu Panda, How to Train Your Dragon, The Incredibles sequel, Big Hero 6, and the new Spider-Verse Movie.Β
Also I wouldn't say that Car Insurance commercial is a good proof that just a regular Sonic model would work in a live action movie. Something like that could only work in a sort of meta sense where it's a video game character in the real world type deal with a meta tone similar to the Colors writing era, Boom cartoon, or the Sonic twitter page. If that's what they're doing then sure just using the game design but if your live action movie is more serious with a tone closer to say the Sonic Adventure games or the Marvel movies then you wouldn't be able to just use the game model then.
How is the Fleetway origin at the same level of stupid as the whole magic portal to New York? It doesn't seem any stupider than any regular super hero origin? Is it because of your whole not wanting Sonic to have a backstory thing?
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I really don't want toΒ insinuate anything but it kind of sounds to me more like you personally are more Okay with the things Pokemon does compared to Sonic rather than Factually. I mean you use the it makes sense because Spezies argument but by the same token couldn't I say sonic having just one eye is just as natural I mean like half of America only knows what a hedgehog even is because of Sonic.
And have you any actual thing to back your claim up that there only don't notice it because it isn't live action?
But generally don't I thing its even needed to make sonic look realistic anyway because unless the CGI Takin from Rogue one because the CGI minimum standard will CGI characters always look a bit off so why even bother with super realist depiction if you can just embrace there actual design (admittedly perhaps its just me who really wouldn't be bothered by this).
Fun enough is Sonic one Eye gimmick a far more consistent trait of sonic than his Shoes because other than the colors (and even this not always) did Sonic shoes change quite a bit from time to time.
For Sonic quills do I fear that there will look more like a solid mass with fur on rather than actual quills.
Well CGI live action hybrids are just as if not even more profitable as fully animated movies but cost much less in production from what I have heard so that's properly the reason why. Not that the whole Cartoon=Childish thing isn't also a real issue.
I would again sincerely ask what makes you come to this conclusion that Sonics actual Design would only work in a Meta sense?
Well the whole Sonic runs in a hamster wheel until its explodes and he comes out Blue just seams really stupid to me I mean this reaches Golden Age Flash origin Levels of Dumb.
Seriously why do Speed based Super Heroes always come with the most dumbest secret origins?
Also according to our favorite sonic Team member Takashi Iizuka does sonic in fact have 2 eyeballs there just look like one.
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I honestly don't know what else to tell you, while yes both Pokemon and Sonic do have ridiculous stuff in their character designs but they also have very different art styles, I've already said a lot on why Sonic's regular design wouldn't work in live action but you're very insistent that just leaving it as it is should be fine. I honestly don't think I'm ever gonna change your mind on this subject and you aren't going to change mine so maybe we should just drop it.
As for why just his regular design without any adjustments and why it would only work in live action in a meta sense? Well it's because of its more cartoony nature, and having him just as he is with live actors like that Progressive commercial is basically a cartoon in real life. People like to bring up Who Framed Roger Rabbit as an example on why a movie just using the regular game models would work, but they also fail to realize that the point of that movie is meant to be more comedic and is based on the meta concept of cartoon characters co existing with real life humans and the idea that cartoon characters are actors with the humans acknowledging that the characters are cartoons and such. Basically with Sonic it'd be the same thing just with a CGI model instead of hand drawn characters. Another example people brought up is that Spongebob movie from a few years ago where the characters went to land in live action as CGI models that basically just took the regular designs and made them CGI, but that movie was also a comedy and was aimed mostly at young kids. Not exactly the same market as a more action based Sonic Adventure inspired movie
Anyways, another thing to consider that a lot of people don't want to think about is that you still have to consider the general audience response. Sure it's great for a movie to appeal to fans but fans are still just a small nicheΒ portion of the movie going populace and while I hate to sound like a movie executive it's really the general public that determines a movie's financial success. I mean look at the Micheal Bay Transformers movies, fans hate those movies and are quite vocal about it yet those movies are also financial successes. Now I'm not saying that the Sonic movie should take cues from the Micheal Bay movies I'm just using it as an example of how general audiences tend to give more sway with these movies. Ideally the best scenario would be to find a balance between appealing to fans and appealing to general audiences, basically what Marvel does with their movies where they try to stay faithful to the comics on which they're based but also making changes to appeal to more general audiences. So serious question, while just using the regular Sonic model with no alterations at all not even realistic textures would appeal to fans like you, do you honestly thinking the average person who's doesn't have as much of interest in Sonic would want to go see a movie about a cartoony looking hedgehog alongside live action humans that's trying to market itself as a serious action movie in the same vein as the Marvel movies? Sure most people won't bat in eye on it marketing itself that way if its an animated film but do you think people are gonna buy it if it were live action?
I don't see how that origin is that dumb especially compared to Jay Garrick's origins, also how are other speeds based characters' origins dumb? the most I can think of is maybe Wally West's origin where the exact same thing that happened to Barry just happened to Wally for no reason.
Honestly the whole Sonic actually having two eyes just looking like one should go without saying being chalked up to artistic license but it still wouldn't translate to live action. And this is going to be my last say on this subject here since I'm just getting tired of this argument and I don't know what else I can say to get you to see why Sonic's regular design could not work in live action.
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I suppose we have just to agree to disagree on this.
Well in the end can nether of us really know how the general marked would respond to something like this given that it was never done before (Serious action packed live action Movie with totally cartoon characters in it). Its especially hard to tell given how many just flat out can't take sonic even in a universe that shares his design serious just on the primes that he is a blue hedgehog while others like me never had an issue with Sonic interaction with super realistic characters in 06. And I am not sure if any studio would take the risk to find the answer to this question.
Okay here is a pretty simple counter question WHO is the audience for this Movie suppose to be?
I highly daub its going to be an explosion Heavy "America FUCK YEAR" fest that always finds and audience that Micheal Bay would make, with its redesigns and PG 13 rating does it not appeal to Kids or there mothers that use to be fans in there childhood like most other CGI live action hybrids like the Chipmunks or the Grafeld movie, many adults aren't interested in this kinds of movies do to the bad reputation there had do to the previously mention nostalgic cash grabs so really other than Sonic Fans would kind of audience can this movie ever even hope to attract?
And this is beside the point that trying to stick to much to the general audience while ignoring core parts of a franchise can and did kill movies in the past like Dragon ball evolution or Avatar the Last Air bender (which redesign for Appa was just as bad's as Sonic's now seams to be in the name of being more realistic)
Well both Barry and Wallys suddenly stuck by lighting while a ton of chemicals fall on them is rather stupid and contrived in my opinion and Quick Silver from Marvel has this Stupid stupid being a Mutant Origin (I am not going to lie big part why I don't like the X-Man is that even as a child I always through there reason for having the super powers there have is dumb beyond believe) and Jay's little accident with Heavy water speaks for it self.
And going back to sonic for a bit WHY would the explosion of a Hamsterer Wheel make him blue? Its not like Kintobor played around with his genetics before no he just gave him shoes that remove any kind of friction allowing sonic to go all out without burning his shoes into nothingness.
Well at least its not the stupidity Origin story in Sonic the Comic as I know because one of the very few stories of this series that I actually wrote was the Secret Origin of Amy and oh god that was painful.
This was just a really out of nowhere thing I recently found out about and just wanted to mention it given that it kind of fits into the context...no imagine there would actually try to realistic depict sonic having 2 eyeballs that just touch.
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Yeah they could at least work on that.
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Yup, they released it at a Brazilian con
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Yikes....
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I adore forces so I should be good
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