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RAMWolff [2019-08-24 15:13:29 +0000 UTC]
I don't see a render to give an example of where to look for the double anus texture that creeps into some but not all skin packs for Genesis 3/8 males. Can you provide one since this is already labeled mature content? Thank you!
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IndusGuys [2018-07-01 16:47:52 +0000 UTC]
I have to admit I hadn't noticed, I must have been much busier than I thought. Thanks for this. The only thing I did notice once is that they looked like they'd been bleached. :-D
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aethyrulf [2018-02-19 03:41:20 +0000 UTC]
Just out of curiosity, is this only an issue if you use the Daz gens for G3/G8? I usually use an alternative model as the newer Daz gens are pretty limited unless you plug a bunch of extra morphs in.
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ProFotograf In reply to aethyrulf [2018-02-23 20:27:52 +0000 UTC]
Won't affect any other gens than the original G3M and G8M gens which are copies of one another with slight vertices changes, however the skin maps match, hence the errors are simply copied over 1:1 to them.
Anything like TaB for Daz Studio, or Dicktator, or any other gens which do not use that UV mapping, won't be affected whatsoever.
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AgentUnawares In reply to aethyrulf [2018-02-19 08:25:34 +0000 UTC]
Only an issue if you use the DAZ gens or something that uses their textures.
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vwrangler [2018-02-18 12:06:30 +0000 UTC]
For what it's worth, at a guess, the issue probably affects all characters that used the FWSA Skinvent Details Merchant Resource as a major part of the texture, or which at least used that as the source for the genital texture. (The resource has a few other issues, which I mentioned in a sort-of-review.) There are also, I believe, only four male G3/G8 resource sets. The best sets -- the two Morris sets -- are getting overused because they're the best, the Skinvent is getting overused because its the least expensive and first to market, and the ForbiddenWhispers set is edging to overuse because it's got a number of options the others don't, and because there are only four resources. (EDIT: Five sets. I forgot about the Mstene MR. So do a lot of other people, I think; I can't say I've definitely seen it in the wild very often. Also, no anus.)
I honestly can't imagine most PAs actually realizing that the anus was badly located. First, they'd assume that everything was in the right place for something sold as a resource, and second, it would just never occur to them to look.
(Also, you have managed to earworm me with the Dixie Chicks' "Goodbye Earl", even though the meter doesn't scan at all with "asshole".)
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ProFotograf In reply to vwrangler [2018-02-23 20:44:27 +0000 UTC]
I hate to say this but, there is a famous song from the 80's on Broadway from Chorus Line, which fits the Daz perspective... "T & A, got myself a fancy pair, tightened up my derriere, did the nose with it, all that goes with it..."
Daz is female-centric, and now that PayPal doesn't block adult morphs and stuff, they are able to offer more boob morphs and body shapes to make things which are a 3D pornographer's bankroll. The public at large seems to believe that men are ugly, unattractive and every PA you ask will tell you "male things don't sell". And it's obvious when you see how much slut-wear is released every week. Apparently, it must be true that they make millions on their Lolita girls and Lolita Bundles (they even use the name Lolita), which here in Europe has the connotation of being an underage prostitute...
Most of us who do like males and male figures have to seriously kitbash to make things work, and we buy female clothing so we can modify them to use on men. The female clothing comes with numerous morphs to allow them to open, drop, flatten etc. At a reasonable price. so the females can give access to their genital figure being visible via an open morph, or a drop morph or "let boob hang out morph", but god help the men who don't even get a simple BULGE morph... and most male clothing doesn't even have an OPEN morph or a DROP morph for trousers etc. The technology to do all this is only used for female stuff, but some of the outfits at Daz for females are purposely made with breastplates and things which cannot be "removed" or "flattened" so they could be used as a male outfit part.
If you watch any male release - they male is dumped into the store with a pro bundle and a few extras, and then a day or two later -- the store gets a new Lolita set from 3DUniverse and many others, the little girls are coming out of the woodwork, and god knows how many bikinis and mini-skirts are needed to render things. So I think QA must be instructed to do everything possible to get the female stuff out there and sold and are told "male stuff doesn't sell" and don't even bother to check it... just dump it out there we have "better things to do.. T&A and Lolitas and Slut-Wear are our bread and butter..."
What bothers me the most is - I've never seen the slutty art stuff that is supposedly the core of the business they are doing at the Louvre, or any other reputable museum or even on most video games. Usually, the heroes are more the males, with unique females like Wonder Woman, or Storm or Phoenix or Batgirl or Catwoman... But somehow I"m confused how their view of males came to be... eventually perhaps they won't need to make any male characters and figures by Genesis 9.. because we can simply dress them all up as transvestites and even do what Renderotica does - slap a penis on them and that will become the world-view. Who needs men anymore when you can turn all the females into big breasted big dicked caricatures?
Let's see how this actually plays out in the near future.
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IndusGuys In reply to ProFotograf [2018-07-01 13:00:26 +0000 UTC]
I recently posted a half length image of Sawyer, in my gallery, my first upload to DS, it had the default pubes. Though the only thing of any nether region was the pubes and crab trail they removed it immediately and said it was nudity. I then photoshop'd on a tiny thin strip of the waistband from a pair of speedos and reposted it. It is still there. I complained more than I ever have about anything. I threatened to never spend another penny with them again, I had spent five months wages with them and it was a major insult. I didn't get an apology form anyone but a lackey and that was a very poor excuse for one with a massive 'but we have to maintain or standards and our TOS must be upheld. I'd pointed out the unbelievably, blatant, pedophilic images, promos, and the outrageous naked groins on female characters covered only be the thinnest strip of bikini not to mention all the pose promos of blue figures showing everything. They totally ignored it and said the blue figures implied made of metal or stone! They are massive homophobes. Oh, I also pointed out that they'd had an image of two female characters being bound at wrist and neck, sold at a bazaar in their gallery which was far more offensive and contravening their TOS than a crab ladder on a male figure! I totally wasted my breath. They didn't give a stuff if I ever spent another penny again with them. If I knew a journalist I would have them exposed for the scum they are!
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Pouget [2018-02-17 08:36:45 +0000 UTC]
Thanks!
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daywalker-designs [2018-02-17 03:14:02 +0000 UTC]
Interesting, and would be useful if I had Photoshop... Is there anything out there for GIMP that would do the same thing, or would I have to create it?
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AgentUnawares In reply to daywalker-designs [2018-02-17 07:01:08 +0000 UTC]
Nope, GIMP doesn't really do automation like this unless you're very good at scripting.
You can download CS2 free from Adobe if you just want to run this macro.
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v1si0n4ry [2018-02-16 20:17:44 +0000 UTC]
I laughed so hard at the picture
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timnaas [2018-02-16 19:24:08 +0000 UTC]
Ahh, thanks.....
You said that you took it up with Daz but with no results!
Did ya try talking to Fred himself! (FW=Fred Winkler). Possible he may not be aware of this. I'l dealt with him before and he is a pretty strait up guy. So, I'm sure if you talked to him about it, it will most likely get fixed! Beside, as I recall, he has Silver do most. If not, all of his skin textures.
Just an idea!
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AgentUnawares In reply to timnaas [2018-02-16 22:29:01 +0000 UTC]
No, I haven't hassled Fred. The whole of the G3 generation has this problem and it continues through to G8. So if in that entire time DAZ QA has never got back to him I can assume this must surely be due to some choice on his part and I'll respect his wishes. As I understand it DAZ's relationship with PAs is that DAZ is supposed to handle quality control and support. In addition, the vast majority of these are DAZ Originals. So I will lay the fault on DAZ.
I can't honestly expect anyone to go back and fix all of these - there are 57 of them at DAZ alone. What I do expect that never happens is for DAZ to take the time to tell an artist that does a huge amount of work for them "hey, you need to make your future male anatomical textures actually match the geometry like your female ones do."
There was recently a problem with an FW female texture that didn't have nipples and that was fixed very shortly after being reported. Meanwhile male textures do not get fixed despite having the entire range reported as all having the same glaring mistake. I have to assume this is on purpose.
I believe it was Sabby that was responsible for the base resources and does a lot of the texture work with him now.
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PopularDuo In reply to AgentUnawares [2018-02-17 21:49:00 +0000 UTC]
No excuses for a continuance of an issue. You'd have a hard time selling me on the idea that creator doesn't know by now, especially when other pa's do. QA knows. They tried to tell me initially the issue was fixed- it was not. Then they simply told me my new Gen 8 male would never be fixed. This is a new generation character. Its sloppy and the store doesn't care.
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ProFotograf In reply to PopularDuo [2018-02-23 20:25:47 +0000 UTC]
I reported initially the misplaced Nipple issues with the female and male textures and the merchant resources at the start of G3M/G3F, the nipples would protrude not centered in the areolas but on the sides of them. As this affected both male and female (the female being the most important, they fixed this issue. At the same time I reported the error on the Merchant Resource for the males as having a "sh*t stain" or extra butthole on the genital map. They closed my first report as being "solved" then I filed over 40+ reports over and over again. Each one was closed with "resolved", but never an update took place.
The Merchant Resource that was sold at Daz has been used by multiple texturists, and I didn't know about OziChick as I never buy her male skins as she doesn't usually make male genital textures - or at least her description texts on Daz do not include Anatomical Elements in them. As a supporter of male figures I find it inexcusable to have a merchant resource that comes with genitalia and you just leaving them off. Two of my PA friends made male textures and used the FW Resource and I told them to remove the dual buttholes from the genitalia textures, and they did so. After G3M and the M7 series was finished, I bought M8 and it came with FW textures again, we made bets among each other "will he have dual buttholes", I bet yes, my friends bet no, he would have fixed that by the new generation - and I won every single bet. Including the newest bet with the 2 extra skins not part of the Edward 8 pro bundle... They both have dual buttholes as I bet. My bets have earned me lots of money over this stupid thing Daz has ignored. I stopped reporting them when they closed all my tickets out as "resolved" and nothing happened. I guess cause all the FW and FWSA textures are cheap, and were parts of every bundle released, they just didn't bother. Now if this issue continues with M9 and G9M then I think it will be a huge running gag with all of us that Daz hates males. Which we already kind of know already.
Crazy isn't it?
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timnaas In reply to AgentUnawares [2018-02-16 23:16:00 +0000 UTC]
which female one was that?
Also, I would suggest that you change it by taking "FW" off if(change the name) it if this his happening with all Genesis3 and 8 males. As the way you have it here is that it was just his characters that have the issue. Not the other ones. That's why I mentioned talking to him directly it stead of daz.
anyways....
I take it this is a plug in for Photoshop, right?
Plus...and forgive my stupidity....were or what folder do I put that in?
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AgentUnawares In reply to timnaas [2018-02-16 23:57:01 +0000 UTC]
You can install the action anywhere and then load it into your photoshop actions. There is a typical installation folder for the actions, but it varies depending what version you have.
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timnaas In reply to AgentUnawares [2018-02-17 00:34:41 +0000 UTC]
yeah, got that part fixed. Just have to learn how to use it. Found a few youtube vids that I'm looking though. And yes...I have looked at a couple of "non "FW products and do have the same issue. Will have to take a look at some others I have and let you know.
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AgentUnawares In reply to timnaas [2018-02-17 00:38:17 +0000 UTC]
Thanks, if you narrow down any other vendors that do this it will definitely be useful.
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timnaas In reply to AgentUnawares [2018-02-17 00:59:27 +0000 UTC]
no problem.....
FYI...I wasn't trying to start any grief with you.....Just kinda shocking for Fred to miss something, knowing how he is when it comes to his characters.
Yes, I will start looking a little closer when I work with male characters and make a note of it for you. But I just looked at a couple of non FW's and one was Chance for G8M. I forgot who the other one is, but will look again when I get a moment.
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AgentUnawares In reply to timnaas [2018-02-17 01:06:25 +0000 UTC]
I looked through all mine and found two from OziChick had the problem and two from VincentXyooj (Chance was one). VincentXyooj is only intermittent (I also have two characters that are fine) and I can't tell with OziChick because I only have those two. So I'll figure a way to indicate this can affect other vendors. DeviantArt doesn't allow very long titles though.
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timnaas In reply to AgentUnawares [2018-02-17 02:19:50 +0000 UTC]
well, I think it could be quite possible, as some one else stated, that they were "transferred" g2m. Since they didn't have a "working" one....so the placement of the painted one was never given any consideration! Though can't give a explanation on why the female ones didn't have the issues.
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AgentUnawares In reply to timnaas [2018-02-17 02:26:09 +0000 UTC]
Yep, this probably has to do with resources being transferred and people not checking the results. But I am happy to report after going through my whole library that most PAs do not have this issue.
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AgentUnawares In reply to timnaas [2018-02-17 07:04:31 +0000 UTC]
I don't think there's a way Fred hasn't been told about this by now, because like I said the female texture that had errors got fixed quickly. Being ignored is something that only happens to the male textures (which are by the same vendor, reported in the same way...). You can note him about this issue if you like.
I've put in tickets for the VincentXyooj and OziChick textures so we'll see what happens there.
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PopularDuo In reply to AgentUnawares [2018-02-17 21:55:18 +0000 UTC]
I dunno, I agree with Agent... I would have a hard time believing the creator know, especially when people talk about it fairly regularly and it has become unfortunately a bit of a bad joke. At any rate, its not the buyers job to inform PA's of errors in their products. That's the responsibility of qa. It is also the responsibility of qa and the pa to check their products for consistency.
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AgentUnawares In reply to timnaas [2018-02-16 23:54:06 +0000 UTC]
Willa for Josie 8.
This isn't happening with all Genesis 3 and 8 males. It's happening with FW-associated Genesis 3 and 8 males. Since you are unfamiliar with the problem, look into the history a little before suggesting how I name my fixes. I am absolutely not going to inaccurately imply that my fix for FW characters is applicable to vendors who don't have this problem.
Since this is a problem with certain base resources there's a distant possibility that there are other vendors who also release skins with this problem and have refused to fix them while continuing to put out other skins with exactly the same problem. If you find any vendors like this, tell me, I will be happy to add them to the title. It's always good to expand the potential audience for my fixes.
Yes, this is an action for Photoshop.
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MythosArcane [2018-02-16 03:19:30 +0000 UTC]
Thank you so much for making this and sharing.
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portisHeart [2018-02-15 16:28:22 +0000 UTC]
omfg, i almost pi**ed myself when i saw that picture up here XDDD
i hadn't noticed - then again, i never looked THAT near in my G's crack XD. if anything, i might take a closer look in front
(i saw some weird mesh folds in the crotch/inseam region tho, but i think my poses might have been weird, over the limits or something).
aaanyways. i first thought yay this here is so cool, i need it. BUT it's ps action. i don't have ps, i use gimp. i don't even know what exactly ps actions are, except some kind of macro... so i suppose this download here does NOT include any layers, but just a macro cloning spots in precise spaces, right?
oh well.. still cool you made this - at least i had a good laugh and now i'll go inspect a few maps from my G3/8Ms in search of said butthole, maybe i can find out how to deal with it.
and again, on top of an appealing lack of males and male gear in 3d in general and daz specifically, not even mentioning even worse lack of M/M content and phobe art censure - excepted maybe renderotica - one more case of WTF to add to the list. :/
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AgentUnawares In reply to portisHeart [2018-02-15 19:41:54 +0000 UTC]
Yep, it's a macro to select and copy/rotate/translate other parts of the image to the right places. Unfortunately I can't translate this into GIMP and because it involves some rotation and scaling I can't just offer a mask either. You can still download CS2 for free from Adobe if you just want to run the action.
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portisHeart In reply to AgentUnawares [2018-02-15 20:08:53 +0000 UTC]
i think i only have 3 figures from FW, 2 G8M and 1 G3M.. not that much work to retouch by hand.. side note, the link sends me to adobe's where the page disappears after 2 secs, asking me to sign up before i can even read anything. wtf. i like adobe about as much as microsoft :/, so not gonna.
about the problem spot, while the gen map from G8M is horrible to look at, with those weird slim side thingies, i didn't even begin to see what i was looking at - but i looked at the mapped figure in 3d - it's the spot on the taint, right? and it's on the gen map and on the torso map, i took the gens away and the spot was also there.. so all i have to do is clone the dark bit somewhere else - i saw the "right place" on the mesh, just have to find out how it translates on the map for the 3 characters, doable with a bit of patience - once i know half of the work is done for any further dude.
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AgentUnawares In reply to portisHeart [2018-02-15 20:20:35 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, you have to have an account to download I think.
Yes the problem spot is the dark spot kind of about halfway up the long skinny portions. If you wanted to actually move it to a new place that would be up near the end. The little flattened bulge is the actual anus.
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portisHeart In reply to AgentUnawares [2018-02-15 20:32:07 +0000 UTC]
i see it. ugh. those maps don't do any good to my eyes, they're warping me in the head too. lucky it's only 3 guys. i'll consider this when wishlisting fw! but i think i also see what you mean by little flattened bulges, and funny enough, they are somehow discolored - like if someone had deleted something from there. weird. anyways, thanks a lot for the heads up ^^
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ProFotograf [2018-02-15 08:55:37 +0000 UTC]
I'm glad you managed to find a way to fix this issue. I reported every single male texture that had this issue and Daz closed all my tickets out as "resolved" then nothing further happened. The last character that came out had the same dual butthole issue. The reason I had told you in chat once, was that it was the genitalia from G2M converted to G3M which had a geometric asshole built it, and the copied one was the painted butthole from G2M's Genitals which is different from G3M's, and so the dual butthole was born. Everytime I addressed the issue, my posts were deleted and my reports were closed and listed as "resolved".
Great that you managed this . Love you for it my friend!
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AgentUnawares In reply to ProFotograf [2018-02-15 10:28:01 +0000 UTC]
Thanks. I couldn't take it anymore when I saw all Serene Night's tickets were getting closed too. DAZ just doesn't give the slightest damn about male content.
I can't believe that they aren't even making the effort to fix the base resources they're using after an entire generation had this problem. Yet the female textures had effort put into them to properly align these basic details and when they aren't right they get fixed. Goes this way every time.
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Phoenix1966 [2018-02-15 04:23:54 +0000 UTC]
I just love the goodbye title.
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PopularDuo [2018-02-15 02:00:52 +0000 UTC]
Thanks, it is so frustrating that something like that is even necccessary. But thanks for doing it.
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