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YanuchiUchiha [2018-09-02 12:22:41 +0000 UTC]
I only find it weird that they made Macedonia a Province instead of making it into the Vardar Banovina...
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DrakiTheDude [2018-01-14 20:33:02 +0000 UTC]
Translation errors (your mistakes on the left):
Pokrajinski Glavni - Pokrajinska Prestonica (Покрајинска Престоница)
Graniča (Гранича) - Granica (Граница)
Imperial Graniča (Империал Гранича) - Imperijalna Granica (Империјална Граница)
Alpine Srbija (Aлпине Србија) - Alpska Srbija (Алпска Србија)
Srpskog Carstva (Српског Царства) - Srpsko Carstvo (Српско Царство)
Also this concept is ridiculous. You're using post-WW2 internal divisions of Yugoslavia, as well as a rough mixture of inaccurate borders to make this? Serbia doesn't even control an inch of Thessaly yet the region is called that!
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia…
There's no reason Croatia and Slavonia would be called "Western Serbia", there is no reason Serbia would annex all of Bulgaria, there is no reason the great powers would even allow such a powerful state to emerge in the Balkans. Nothing in this map makes sense.
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kitenik87 [2017-12-26 22:19:19 +0000 UTC]
As if that would ever be possible. you know at 1924 at Petrich city accident greeks attempted to start 3rd balkan war trough invading Bulgaria after they were kicked out of Asia Minor, even had a second secret treaty with Serbia and Romania against Bulgaria just like the one from 1912 backstab. then what happened to stop that war you might ask ? He happened ....
To Stalin such war was perfect chance to gain foothold to Mediterenian sea trough south shores of Bulgaria, bypassing Turkey, Not to mention putting the romanian oilfield in striking range. if he had managed that history would be different (no fuel for the panzers blitz) However the British and French stopped the Romanians and punished Greece to pay a small punishment bill only after the regular Greek army and mass of greek fachists were disgracefully beaten by Bulgarian Militia.
P.S. the money from the punishment bill were send to France to cover for the reparation yoke that they've placed upon Bulgaria after WW1
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AlexanderAbelard In reply to kitenik87 [2018-01-12 20:23:01 +0000 UTC]
There has been no Great War in this world, so Stalin is still just a Georgian bank robber.
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kitenik87 In reply to AlexanderAbelard [2018-01-12 22:02:39 +0000 UTC]
Ironic, if that was so so many people were probably going to be still alive now...
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YanuchiUchiha In reply to kitenik87 [2018-09-02 12:20:59 +0000 UTC]
Or Hitler would just casually stroll down Russia...
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kitenik87 In reply to YanuchiUchiha [2018-09-02 13:40:25 +0000 UTC]
The whole reason Hitler ever got to power WAS Stalin's purges that frightened the whole world.
Not to mention That Stalin Fueled the Wehrmacht against France. Stalin created Hitler, so once
he and France and England beat the shit out of eachother he could roll over and he did, half of
Europe in fact. That Georgian wasn't stupid, nor did he cared how million lives world be lost
as the ends justify the means, especially when the end goal is survival and expansion.
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YanuchiUchiha In reply to kitenik87 [2018-09-02 17:08:44 +0000 UTC]
Interesting, have only seen on TV that Hitler came to power because everyone feared Communism... turns out they feared a Dictator [Stalin] who was also a Georgian... the only time a Georgian was feared so much.
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kitenik87 In reply to YanuchiUchiha [2018-09-03 08:27:21 +0000 UTC]
Don't believe in media, (who btw supports left wing only) believe in the facts.
and why not to fear communism whe it is basicly serfdom to the state, rather to a king.
(the nobility aka communist party is still there)
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YanuchiUchiha In reply to kitenik87 [2018-09-03 11:44:53 +0000 UTC]
You only know about the Soviet "Communism", don't You?
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kitenik87 In reply to YanuchiUchiha [2018-09-04 06:35:29 +0000 UTC]
Was the Chinese, North Korean or the Cuban communism any different ?
when goverment becomes big, people become small, that is nearly universal law of human politics.
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YanuchiUchiha In reply to kitenik87 [2018-09-04 10:19:02 +0000 UTC]
Why does everyone mention the USSR, China, North Korea and Cuba as communist? They all use the Soviet model and are more kin to Dictatorship than to Communism.
The one country that had a SOCIALIST government that did it's job was SFR Yugoslavia [until Tito's death... then the greedy guys, the Serb, Croat and Slovene tore it apart...]
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kitenik87 In reply to YanuchiUchiha [2018-09-04 18:07:57 +0000 UTC]
Ever heard of island Goli otok ? Also Tito was a sly brute with good propaganda reputation, he kept the tention so he can keep himself to power. When he died what followed was simply inevitable. Also he led the second greatest brainwashing in history creating FYROM.
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YanuchiUchiha In reply to kitenik87 [2018-09-05 05:39:20 +0000 UTC]
Is that what they teach you in the west?
1. Tito had no say in the creation of a free Macedonia, it was done by the Macedonian partisans which were not under Tito;
2. Goli Otok was used mainly used for helpers of the USSR, yes, that is a thing;
3. If "the creation of Macedonia" is the second greatest brainwashing, then the "creation of Greece" is the first;
4. When he died there was suddenly a sort of a power gap that the 3 closest to Tito wanted for themselves thus tearing apart Yugoslavia;
5. Tito was anything else before being a brute, the show of power was something he hated and only kept as a last ditch resort.
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WolfGrid [2017-05-24 20:27:58 +0000 UTC]
Map is great, but shame on translation to Serbian.
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FictionalMaps [2017-05-05 17:42:28 +0000 UTC]
Alpine Serbia lol
I will never understand Serbs and their Greater Serbia but this is a damn good map
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NikolaAnicic007 In reply to FictionalMaps [2018-02-28 13:12:23 +0000 UTC]
This doesn't represent Serbia, the Balkans or it's people. The map is filled with inaccuracies that, even if intended, don't really make logical sense. The creator obviously has a somewhat distorted picture of the region and juts felt like making a random map.
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AlexanderAbelard In reply to FictionalMaps [2017-05-09 06:51:47 +0000 UTC]
I gave up trying to understand the Balkans a long time ago. Those people are insane.
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AlexanderAbelard In reply to tard15 [2017-04-22 17:10:22 +0000 UTC]
That part of the world is full of interesting twist, which is why the EU avoids it like a leper.
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tard15 In reply to AlexanderAbelard [2017-04-23 00:49:11 +0000 UTC]
I learned a bit about the Black Hand from and after reading Ben Elton's alternate history novel Time and Again - interesting.
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AlexanderAbelard In reply to tard15 [2017-04-24 08:02:25 +0000 UTC]
For me it was this general book on Yugoslavia and South Slavic history. There was even a bona fide fascist group in Serbia: the Green Shirts. Ever since the Fourth Crusade much of Serbia seems to have believed that it was their God-ordained destiny to rule all of the Balkans. WWI was started in large part because with the continuing disintegration of the Ottoman Empire, that goal finally seemed to be in reach.
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K9theXV [2017-03-30 23:29:16 +0000 UTC]
I'm wondering why you didn't mention the Montenegrins in that list of suffering minorities? Was it because back then they were considered ethnically Serb? Not trying to judge you or anything. Just curious about that.
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AlexanderAbelard In reply to K9theXV [2017-03-31 06:37:18 +0000 UTC]
From what I've read, it seems the Montenegrins were considered just a different strain of Serbs, and Serbia and Montenegro had good relations during this period, and Montenegro continued to be an ally of Serbia while they were fighting the Croats and Slovenes for control of Yugoslavia, So the Montenegrins would receive special treatment.
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serbon2498 [2017-02-22 23:13:30 +0000 UTC]
Coming from a guy who grew up in Serbia and is Serbian himself, this was and is impossible on so many levels. It's incredibly wrong to think that the Serbs wanted any Bulgarian-inhabited land, or Greek-inhabited land. Slovenia and all of Croatia? What in the hell? Why would we want that? I can understand Albania and Macedonia and Bosnia and parts of Croatia but the rest is simply stupid. Even if we were in a position to take all this land, we wouldn't. And if we did, it wouldn't last long, as it would be impossible for us, a people of some 5-6 million at the time, to lead this vast Empire in which we would effectively be minorities.
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AlexanderAbelard In reply to serbon2498 [2017-02-24 03:41:56 +0000 UTC]
Why would Germany want land inhabited by millions of Czechs, Poles, and Russians? Why would Italy want Albania, Greece, and Libya? This isn't a Serbia built by reasonable people, this is a Serbia built by ultra-nationalist military officers who have led a population humiliated--but not defeated--by Austria toward a vision of Serbia inheriting the Turks' Balkan empire. This is an insane country created by insane people; it's a Balkan equivalent of Nazi Germany. And the reason that this scenario only spans 16 year is because, yes, it isn't a very sustainable regime.
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DrNietzsche [2016-12-18 23:11:48 +0000 UTC]
Milosevic a few decades earlier and more competent, eh?
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AlekVulken94 [2016-12-17 21:41:07 +0000 UTC]
>inb4 German blitzkrieg via 1939, forcing Serbia into a Titoist lovefest.
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bruiser128 [2016-12-17 15:40:02 +0000 UTC]
Really interesting premise for timeline about a Serbian Analogue to Nazi Germany.
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AlexanderAbelard In reply to bruiser128 [2016-12-18 00:35:48 +0000 UTC]
Yeah. There was so much chaos going on in the Balkans at this time that its inevitable that war was going to come out of that one way or another.
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bruiser128 In reply to AlexanderAbelard [2016-12-18 00:47:32 +0000 UTC]
Really makes me fret over what would have happened to my grandparents
on my moms if this actually happened
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