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alexwarlorn In reply to ??? [2013-07-17 03:22:16 +0000 UTC]
Thank you very much. And the sentences, yeah, you're very much right. And I was just thinking of how status quo is god could be enforced for such a world and other oddities. Ironically I only thought of Big O AFTER coming up with this idea.
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BrutalityInc [2014-01-09 10:31:36 +0000 UTC]
Why is there not a TVtropes page?!
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alexwarlorn In reply to BrutalityInc [2014-01-09 17:47:25 +0000 UTC]
Because no one has made one? Do you have a trope account? I don't.
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alexwarlorn In reply to xXAMemetic-EngineBXx [2014-05-05 08:20:41 +0000 UTC]
It's basically my opinion on how much 1-D antagonists stand out when they're used for more than one episode, in particular, when it's a series where character development is a central theme.
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xXAMemetic-EngineBXx In reply to alexwarlorn [2015-03-19 11:58:15 +0000 UTC]
But to the point, why make it feel like the MLP:FiMverse is in a computer?
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SomeRandomMinion In reply to alexwarlorn [2014-01-09 15:27:00 +0000 UTC]
Yeah...I teared up a little. Okay, more than a little.
White Christ, I wanted to hug Derpy--and Dinky--after reading that.
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BrutalityInc In reply to alexwarlorn [2014-01-09 10:31:16 +0000 UTC]
It's great, gives me the chills down the spine. Here, two fillies are not allowed to evolve their own programming. There, a mare's programming - body, identity, EXISTENCE - is at the capricious whims of conflicting and bickering forces beyond her context and control. Both premises are equally terrifying.
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alexwarlorn In reply to SomeRandomMinion [2014-01-08 18:54:03 +0000 UTC]
Thanks! That was the entire point! A story is about a journey, growth, but to ensure as many episodes can be made as possible, that growth has to be stunted. And for 1-D characters who are more props than characters, and yet are expected to interact with the heroes regularly, and have several lines of dialogue, this becomes obvious.
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SomeRandomMinion In reply to alexwarlorn [2014-01-08 19:01:49 +0000 UTC]
I take it that's one of your pet peeves, as far as tropes/character archetypes go?
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alexwarlorn In reply to SomeRandomMinion [2014-01-08 19:05:44 +0000 UTC]
For a show that runs as long as this one? Yes. The deaf mute who was a cardboard cut out in Sunday In the Park With George had more character development.
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SomeRandomMinion In reply to alexwarlorn [2014-01-08 19:17:56 +0000 UTC]
True, true....
So, for the sake of conversation: any other tropes or archetypes that peeve you?
For me, it's "Plot-Induced Stupidity": Characters suddenly doing something stupid or short-sighted, even if it's massively OOC or makes NO sense...simply because the plot requires it, and the entire plot hinges on that flick of stupid.
Like in that awful "The Thing" remake from a few years back. When the team of highly-respected and accredited scientists find an unknown creature--possibly a FREAKING ALIEN--frozen in ice, what's the first thing they do? Why, drill the ice open, of course! -_-
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alexwarlorn In reply to SomeRandomMinion [2014-01-09 06:44:21 +0000 UTC]
We ALL have moments of foolishness.
And they likely thought the alien was, ya know, DEAD.
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SomeRandomMinion In reply to alexwarlorn [2014-01-09 07:24:43 +0000 UTC]
Oh, no; I meant stupidity that has NO excuse, in-universe, beyond the story demanding it happen. AKA, "The Idiot Ball."
And dead or not, the alien could still carry, say, an unknown pathogen or virus--what with it being from another planet and having different biology and all.
So...it's still stupid.
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alexwarlorn In reply to SomeRandomMinion [2014-01-09 07:51:47 +0000 UTC]
How did they handle the fossilized remains of bacteria from mars?
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SomeRandomMinion In reply to alexwarlorn [2014-01-09 07:58:55 +0000 UTC]
Examine them under controlled conditions, in a sealed-off enclosure to minimize the spread of potential pathogens--what anyone with common sense would have done.
In the movie, they just bring out a big drill and cut into the ice-holding-an-alien--not in a sterilized laboratory, they just put the ice in the middle of the floor and drill it open. In an open room, without even wearing breathing masks in case something nasty gets airborne.
Again, this is the characters behaving stupidly for no reason...except that the story demanded it.
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BrutalityInc [2014-01-08 16:23:24 +0000 UTC]
A well-written tale of bleak existential terror.
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BrutalityInc In reply to alexwarlorn [2014-01-09 10:09:30 +0000 UTC]
Read it. It's a nice story that filled me with a sense of existential terror.
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RenegadeHero1 [2013-10-22 19:29:33 +0000 UTC]
This is a creepy, scary idea. But I like it because of that. This is pure psychological terror. Reminds me of that movie "The Adjustment Bureau", where there's this big organization keeping people's lives running 'according to the plan' and influencing them to keep things in check. It's just a scary idea that there's some big plan you can't deviate even a little from (BTW, I like how you manage to portray fate in the POV Series in such a way that it DOESN'T come across like that).
And here, what happens when they deviate? They get 'reset'. That is a spooky thought.
I wonder if this Pinkie Pie is aware of the situation and just goes along with it, or if she's allowed more freedoms because that's her character: the chaotic, nonsensical party pony. Feel sorry for the programmer who has to do that though...
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alexwarlorn In reply to RenegadeHero1 [2013-10-23 09:00:14 +0000 UTC]
(BTW, I like how you manage to portray fate in the POV Series in such a way that it DOESN'T come across like that). Thanks. Others have been utterly LIVID thinking that fate in the POV Verse DOES work that way.
And I wrote this at the realization that it would damage the show's ability to make new episodes if you had the show's ONLY more than two episodes villains actually develop personalities where torturing the CMC WASN'T their reason for being. Thus such characters aren't character, they're basically talking props.
I've never given Pinkie Pie's character much thought, the OS DOES likely give her program broader perimeters since unlike the bullies, she isn't intended as a singular-use object lesson.
"And here, what happens when they deviate? They get 'reset'. That is a spooky thought."
Ironically it's like Jessie and James from Pokemon never realizing they often end up in a lot less pain, and nearly always TURNING A PROFIT when they -don't- try to con trainers or steal pokemon and instead do a legitimate business.
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RenegadeHero1 In reply to alexwarlorn [2013-12-08 03:10:32 +0000 UTC]
Huh, weird.
And I can definitely understand that. Though they could always introduce more characters...The show doesn't seem to have any problem doing that. Which isn't a bad thing, since they manage to keep them varied.
That is a pretty interesting idea. Though one wonders what Discord's perimeters are.
That is a good point, I've always wondered that.
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NightmareShinigami89 [2013-10-21 11:39:05 +0000 UTC]
You know the Story kinda makes me think about the Episodes "Family Appreciation Day, where Silver was the first one clapping at Granny Smith's Story, " Ponyville Confidential", where she wasn't even Part of the Plot and "One bad Apple", where she returned being a Bully
Like she as been able to get some Character-development and then been "reprogrammed" between Seasons
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CottonSnourth In reply to NightmareShinigami89 [2013-10-21 23:24:16 +0000 UTC]
It also sometimes depends on the writer. When you pass a story between writers, they're either
a) Not going to keep characteristics consistent.
b) Revert to a 'status quo'
UNLESS there's a head writer with a Master Plan, who's overseeing their work.
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NightmareShinigami89 In reply to CottonSnourth [2013-10-22 15:20:28 +0000 UTC]
You know, that whole thing makes me more angry at the writers who keep their Bullies how they are in their first Episode, as at the Bullies themself
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alexwarlorn In reply to NightmareShinigami89 [2013-10-21 17:47:36 +0000 UTC]
That pretty much sums things up. 1-D baddies can't be allowed to develop traits that aren't part of being 1-D baddies. They're props, not characters.
TVtropes shows how this can be taken TOO FAR, when it mentions some bronies began wishing for her DEATH at one point.
1-D baddies that begin to show individuality must be hammered down.
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NightmareShinigami89 In reply to alexwarlorn [2013-10-22 15:14:13 +0000 UTC]
Well that's one of the Reasons, why I prefer your POV Series over the Canon Series
But I still hope for a Redemption-Episode for Diamond and Silver (and maybe a Freudian excuse why they're bullies)
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MagicMan001 [2013-08-16 01:10:09 +0000 UTC]
Well. Now I'm depressed and actually feel remotely sorry for Silver Spoon.
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alexwarlorn In reply to MagicMan001 [2013-08-16 01:18:47 +0000 UTC]
This is what happens when you insist certain characters aren't allowed to grow because they'd no longer be able to fulfill their function in the narrative.
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MagicMan001 In reply to alexwarlorn [2013-08-16 01:29:06 +0000 UTC]
Absolutely, I know, it still just depresses me. I mean, yeah, I'd love for DT and SS to actually be given some development and depth, but I think we can all safely assume they will never be allowed to; their soul existence and purpose is to antagonize the CMC, which is a real shame because we can get a lot more out of these two and it's similar to what Doug Walker said about the Bully cliche, they're just being used as tools to create a conflict and neither is really that interesting, fun to watch or funny as they are.
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alexwarlorn In reply to MagicMan001 [2013-09-25 03:24:46 +0000 UTC]
There's also the fact they're in the same class as the CMC, yet seem to vanish into thin air whenever they aren't the roadblock the CMC need to deal with that day.
I know they're supposed to be the generic 1-D bullies that any girl can super impose the kids who torment THEM over. . . .
. . . But I want CHARACTERS, not just props.
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MagicMan001 In reply to alexwarlorn [2013-10-21 17:16:22 +0000 UTC]
But that's just it, if they are to be the generic 1-D bullies and nothing more than that, I'm not sure if they can be Characters instead of props. I'm afraid they are what they are, and sadly, I think it'll be unrealistic to expect anything more from them in the future.
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alexwarlorn In reply to MagicMan001 [2013-10-21 17:50:04 +0000 UTC]
That's due to shows having to stick to formula for the setting so the episodes can be shown in any order.
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MagicMan001 In reply to alexwarlorn [2013-10-22 00:03:11 +0000 UTC]
Sad, but true.
Also, just to let you know for in the future, there's a new story I'm writing alongside Maternal Instinct, kind of a reboot of sorts of Weevil in Manehattan, a story about immigration to Manehattan, Equestria in the future by all sorts of species: Changelings (Asians), Zebras (Sub-saharan Africans), Diamond Dogs (Catholic immigrants like Irish, Italians, Polish, etc), Griffins (Germans), Batponies (Eastern Europeans), etc.
But of course, the focus is still going to be on a Changeling family who own a store and basically, well, just shows their lives. I don't see a lot of stories like that, where there's no major antagonist or plot device, it just shows their lives and them dealing with the ups and downs, particularly that comes with being immigrants in a land that's struggling to adjust to such a change. Immigration and racial/species relations is a favourite topic of mine to explore and I really want to tackle it with maturity and reality.
Also, in this story, I'm planning to create a satire of the anti-immigrant far-right but in Equestrian form, but one of the important things about it is that it's going to be based far more off the kind you find in modern European politics instead of the kind in America. In my country, for example, there's the British National Party and the English Defence League. One of the big things about my story is that the vast majority of ponies are actually pretty damn open and tolerant of immigrants, like most people in Britain, and as such those far-right organizations are fringe and hated, as they should be. That's one thing I want to emphasize, these guys aren't the 1930s Nazi party that are one election away from power or the modern Tea Party movement, they're much more like the far-right of the Republican Party, the British National Party and the French 'Front National'. They have more influence in deprived, immigrant heavy areas.
I guess my question would be how do you think I can make sure to keep my satirization of those kind of organizations true to life. What do you think are the key aspects and characterizations of them I need to keep in mind when writing them? One I can think of is how organizations like the BNP and EDL loving playing a victim front, like they are "only standing up for indigenous Briton's rights". But what do you think?
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