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LATEST EDIT: Redrew Drakenholm's borders.Ah, at last it's finished! This is something that's been a work in progress for a VERY long time (about a year and a half, now?)...a map of the subdivisions of the Avalarian Empire. It's gone through many variations and the borders have changed repeatedly (and probably will do again even after I post this), but this is pretty much what the world looks like at present in 's "Dragons Unite" series. Or rather, what it will look like by some indeterminate point in the future...Bavaria is two Kingdoms at the moment, and Ravenna's being controlled by King Escalus of Sardinia until Spyro comes of age.
So here they are, the Kingdoms of Avalar - In no particular order, Avalar, Lorraine, the Netherlands, Wales, Saxony, Franconia, Swabia, Bavaria, Bohemia, Slovakia, Hungary, Okarthel, Illyria, Ravenna, Sardinia, Tolagen and Eluithol) and their various subdivisions...which will make it easier to create noble characters, as we'll know which titles are available! On that note, here's the list...including some real life royal houses! The idea is also that the hereditary titles are limited to the lands that were a part of Avalar when the Empire was first proclaimed (the move being a sneaky way for Ddraig to hide diplomatic reform without angering the old nobles); all later states have the option to appoint their own Dukes or just leave it with elected officials...but we haven't quite sorted all that out just yet, so all the titles are included here for the time being.
-- EMPIRE OF AVALAR -- Ddraigtanto di Avalaria
- KINGDOM OF AVALAR - Ddraigtanto di Avalaria/Elwynn Alexander di Avalaria
**Duchy of Avalaria - Ddraigtanto di Avalaria
**Duchy of Burgundy - Selena Victoria di Avalaria, later Taelen Lucien di Avalaria
**Duchy of Languedoc - VACANT; reserved for di Avalaria family
**Duchy of Lyon - VACANT; reserved for di Avalaria family
**Duchy of Provence - Cynder Charirschakri
**Duchy of Savoy - VACANT; reserved for di Avalaria family
**Duchy of Warfang - Elwynn Alexander di Avalaria
- KINGDOM OF THE NETHERLANDS - Alexander Greywater/Alexandria Wilhelmina di Avalaria
**Duchy of Brabant - Arwaut Wentelvlerck
**Duchy of Cleves -
**Duchy of Cologne -
**Duchy of Flanders -
**Duchy of Frisia -
**Duchy of Guelders -
**Duchy of Holland - Alexandria Wilhelmina di Avalaria
**Duchy of Limburg -
**Duchy of Overijssel -
- KINGDOM OF LORRAINE/FRANCE - Oliver Adaliz Bissels
**Duchy of Champagne - Held by the House of Orleans
**Duchy of Lorraine - Held by the House of Bourbon
**Duchy of Normandy - Oliver Adaliz Bissels
**Duchy of Picardy -
**Duchy of Wallonia - Ludbary Patry
- GRAND CITY OF DRAKENHOLM - High Chancellor Chamberlain Wells
**Duchy of Drakenholm - High Chancellor Chamberlain Wells
- KINGDOM OF SAXONY - Edward von Elbe
**Duchy of Bremen - Karl Linde
**Duchy of Brunswick - Held by the House of Hanover
**Duchy of Hannover - Held by the House of Hanover
**Duchy of Holstein - Held by the House of Glucksburg
**Duchy of Lippe - Held by the House of Lippe
**Duchy of Luneburg - Held by the House of Hanover
**Duchy of Munster -
**Duchy of Oldenburg - Held by the House of Holstein-Gottorp
**Duchy of Osnabruck - Edward von Elbe
**Duchy of Schleswig - Held by the House of Glucksburg
**Duchy of Westphalia - Held by the House of Waldeck
- KINGDOM OF FRANCONIA - Claus Cardheim
**Duchy of Frankfurt - Claus Cardheim
**Duchy of Hesse - Held by the House of Hesse
**Duchy of Nassau - Held by the House of Nassau
**Duchy of Nuremberg - Held by the House of Hohenzollern
**Duchy of the Palatinate - Held by the House of Wittelsbach
**Duchy of Trier -
**Duchy of Wurzburg -
- KINGDOM OF SWABIA - Mary von Stuttgart
**Duchy of Alsace - ??? Lanvitz
**Duchy of Augsburg - Held by the House of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen
**Duchy of Baden - Held by the House of Zahringen
**Duchy of Helvetia - Mary von Stuttgart
**Duchy of Raetia -
**Duchy of Rhodania -
**Duchy of Wurttemburg - Held by the House of Wurttemburg
- KINGDOM OF BAVARIA - Maya Gratz
**Duchy of Landshut - Held by the House of Wittelsbach
**Duchy of Munich - Held by the House of Wittelsbach
**Duchy of Tyrol - Maya Gratz
**Duchy of the Upper Palatinate - Held by the House of Wittelsbach
- KINGDOM OF AUSTRIA - Charis Jennustadt
**Duchy of Austria - Held by the House of Habsburg
**Duchy of Carinthia - Charis Jennustadt
- KINGDOM OF SARDINIA - Escalus di Latium
**Duchy of Aquileia -
**Duchy of Corsica - Held by the House of Bonaparte
**Duchy of Emilia - Held by the House of Bourbon-Parma
**Duchy of Genoa -
**Duchy of Milan - Held by the House of Gonzaga
**Duchy of Piedmont - Held by the House of Savoy
**Duchy of Sardinia - Escalus di Latium
**Duchy of Venice - Held by the House of Savoy
- KINGDOM OF RAVENNA - Spyro Silios
**Duchy of Ravenna - Spyro Silios
- KINGDOM OF WALES - Murchad I (III) Hunter
**Duchy of Deheubarth - Murchad IV Hunter
**Duchy of Gwynedd - Logan Ixeniejir
**Duchy of Morgannwg - Murchad I (III) Hunter
**Duchy of Powys - Elwynn Lloyd
- SULTANATE OF IFRIQIYA - Depeche Al-Gosam
**Emirate of Cyrenaica - Anne ???
**Emirate of Fezzan - Izzat ???
**Emirate of Tripolitania - Depeche Al-Gosam/Fullah ???
**Emirate of Tunis - Maida ???
- KINGDOM OF NEW ENGLAND - Arthur Fauntroy
**Duchy of Connecticut -
**Duchy of Hudson -
**Duchy of Maine - Dovermill Dawn
**Duchy of Massachusetts - Arthur Fauntroy
**Duchy of New Hampshire -
**Duchy of Rhode Island -
**Duchy of Vermont -
- KINGDOM OF NEWFOUNDLAND - Ramona II Kilith
**Duchy of Newfoundland - Ramona II Kilith
- KINGDOM OF ILLYRIA - Elective
**Duchy of Carniola - Elective
**Duchy of Croatia - Elective
**Duchy of Slavonia - Elective
- KINGDOM OF OKARTHEL - Sepa Jennustadt
**Duchy of Banat -
**Duchy of Crisana -
**Duchy of Jennustadt - Sepa Jennustadt
- KINGDOM OF BOHEMIA - Elective
**Duchy of Bohemia - Elective
**Duchy of Moravia - Elective
**Duchy of Silesia - Elective
- KINGDOM OF HUNGARY - Elective
**Duchy of Alfold - Elective
**Duchy of Balaton - Elective
**Duchy of Budapest - Elective
**Duchy of Esztergom - Elective
- KINGDOM OF SLOVAKIA - Elective
**Duchy of Nitra - Elective
**Duchy of Presov - Elective
**Duchy of Transcarpathia - Elective
- KINGDOM OF MALLORCA - Korinth Cabrera
**Duchy of Kaharharr - Korinth Cabrera
**Duchy of ??? -
**Duchy of ??? -
**Duchy of ??? -
- KINGDOM OF THE ISLES - Sasha Springdawn
**Duchy of Eluithol - Sasha Springdawn
**Duchy of Foroyar
**Duchy of Orkney
- KINGDOM OF LUNA - Selena Victoria di Avalaria
There's more to be added to this (for instance, there are Archducal titles that exist to organise various Dukes into a single group, and the Dukes elect one of their number to represent them all as Archduke for a few years...it's a way of ensuring that smaller voices get heard), but it'll need to wait for now, as it's still all being sorted out. Heh, any ideas for characters? Send me and your ideas, and we might just be able to fit them in as minor background Lords!
Argh, this description is a fairly lame one, but I'm tired, and I can't think of more eloquent things to say...nag me in the comments, and I'll answer your questions.
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Dragons Unite copyright , with various characters in it copyright their respective owners (for instance, the Wentelvlerck and Groenvlerck families are copyright ).
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Not necessarily in this timeline...depends on exactly how the history of the Soviet Union plays out in this reality. The concept needs some re-examining, but the idea here originally was that the Kuban People's Republic survived as a state within the USSR, and so Crimea ended up under their control somewhere along the line...
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write history more carefuly
about унр and зунр it is before ((SOVETS)))
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Well, it's alternate history, exploring alternative setups is the whole point. I mean, look at the rest of the map; Stalin's annexations before WWII got reversed, Germany kept its pre-WWII borders as well, Greece holds Byzantium, Armenia and Kurdistan were created as a result of WWI, etc...
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ok i uderstand now
but better with ukrain nathional rewolution soon ( if you want)
sorry for shouting
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All good! There are several areas on this map that do need re-examining since our thoughts on the setup has changed, and the tiny states in the North Caucasus are one of those areas, so I'll have another look at that once we get to that stage...
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Uhm, those aren't really city-states, they're more like autonomous provinces.
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Hmm, is there really a difference? Italy's city-states all held big chunks of land around the actual city...I suppose these ones might be a bit bigger, though. Ehh, it can work.
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The division as it is now contains Bologna, a city with twice the population of Ravenna, as well as numerous cities in the range of Ravenna's population, such as Rimini, Forlì, and Ferrara. City-states were centred around one city, both demographically and governmentally. Venice may have had plenty of land outside Venice, and so did Pisa, but there were no other cities challenging their authority.
Here's what a city-state of Ravenna looks like on the map: sta.sh/0upfzcq1et0
About the same size as San Marino.
I'm not sure why you want them to have this much land, to be honest. Are they really hardcore politicians just as eager to rule and be responsible for the fates of millions of people as Ddraig is? Could you elaborate on your reasoning a bit?
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Hmm, I'd forgotten I gave Ravenna borders that included those cities (when I drew it, I was basing it off the old Romagna borders of the Papal States)...well, yes, it's a bit big, but I'd still like to leave it this size; admittedly mainly because I hate the way exclaves like that look on a map. Plus it means that Spyro's title is a legitimate one that makes him part of the administrative system; he's not just a random noble with a title, he's someone who's actually expected to run this area...and given that the site is important to dragons, I figure there'd be a high population in the area; enough for it to be somewhat justified that he's given control of the area.
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Technically it's an enclave, not an exclave. But it appears to be an aesthetics question then: you like it, I don't like it. ?
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Ah, I hadn't noticed that bit, near Italy, right? Yeah, city states such as that, Greywater's city, and perhaps Drakenholm shouldn't REALLY be visible on the map proper. I'm not sure...
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I dunno; there's nothing wrong with them controlling those areas, is there? I mean, the whole point of the Duchies is that they're supposed to correspond with administrative divisions...does Drakenholm need to be administered separately from East Frisia, especially considering that we're collating their history and filling the whole area with Water Dragons?
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Hmmm, I suppose. That city is HUGE though...
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If it is not administrated separately from them, then they're an autonomous province, not a city-state.
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Alright, let's go with that, then. ?
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But if we're drawing a map and making up new administrative divisions from scratch, why would we want to create an ugly little exclave that'll throw off the way everything else looks? I've already adjusted a few minor borders here and there within Avalar to tidy things up and make them neater...
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Yep, neat and tidy being your preference. I think removing all enclaves and exclaves in such a manner makes the map look sterile. Do you like the way the US states look?
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Hell, no, those are also awful. What I don't like is having a tiny little state within an area that by all accounts should be part of a larger state...eg, Drakenholm within the larger Ostfries area, or Ravenna within Romagna. Besides, the point of these states is that the nobles who run them are actually expected to administer the area and work with the elected government to get things done. Any other title in Avalar is just a formality and not actually counted as part of the ruling elite; for instance, Marcus is a Viscount to indicate that he's nobility, but not on par with the nobles who actually help run parts of the country. An area that's just a single city feels like it's being given preferential treatment over the surrounding area for some reason, and Ravenna's only being given to Spyro because of his heritage; there's no reason to make the city independent other than that. If Ddraig wanted to give him a title but no lands to oversee, she'd make him a Prince of the Realm, or a Viscount or something like that, but I figure she wants him to learn how to rule. ?
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I think in that case it would be better to just give them a non-ruling title then. There's no reason to expect every single character to enjoy being an actual politician. He can still get whatever job he wants that way.
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Maybe, but...wait, I know; Ddraig would arrange for Spyro to learn how to rule this land, but she'd also give him the option to abdicate the title after a while (with the jurisdiction of the region falling back to King Escalus), and them simply live on the estate with Cynder as a non-ruling Prince of the Realm.
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Aagh, never mind. I just realised I don't even belong in this discussion, I simply do not like any part of this all. The whole "everybody should get a title and learn how to rule!" only feels to me like a big limitation to all of them. Probably the way you feel all the LBGTQwhatevers must have felt like in the rotten oppressive ages before the dawn of the early 21st century finally got all the morals right. I shall spoil your fun no more.
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What? It's just one of those ideas that's left over from the oldest versions of the story; Spyro and Cynder end up as King and Queen of something (it was a vision of the future scene in LM)...Ddraig was originally grooming Cynder as her successor, before Elwynn came onto the scene. I think this is the best way of still letting us go down that path, while letting them have an out option...I think that 's even toying with having Queen Ramona II actually abdicate her title at some point in time, because she doesn't want to be Queen? And at least one of Lojala's kids is leaning that way...
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Yeah, Ramona II wants to go into Fashion Design, and isn't really confident in Politics.
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Well, the map is large enough to make them just visible (San Marino is visible), but my point is that they would have sizes only in tens of pixels, not the sizes of provinces.
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Embrace the claves, both ens and exes!!! Muahaha!
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Doooo eeet! If Ddraig can handle a hundred memes, surely you can handle realistic borders?
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Realistic-shmrealistic; those borders are ugly and I try to destroy ugly borders wherever I can!
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You know, this might be a good exercise in empathy.
Concentrate the burning fire you feel inside you when you look at San Marino...
...that's how I feel about grid roads.
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But we ended up ditching the grid road idea, remember? Or at least, the worst of it...
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I had the idea that whenever I brought up a new compromise you kept returning to the grids, so I had to make consecutively more grid-like ideas. But here you are unwilling to compromise. That irks me a bit.
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What bothers me is that something like this is a slippery slope that could upset the setup of the existing hierarchy. If Ravenna and Drakenholm are being made into tiny city-states that only extend to the city limits, then what's to stop them popping up all over Avalar? There are plenty of big cities that could be argued are important enough to have their own states (Avalaria itself, for instance; it's the capital of the Avalarian Empire, but Warfang remains the capital of Avalar proper), and so the map ends up covered with random little circles here and there...
I think I was using the wrong term when I first described it; I was thinking more of the big states that spanned Italy in medieval times; named after a city, but encompassing huge areas of land (eg Milan, Parma, Venice, Florence, etc).
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said he enjoyed the idea of exactly that kind of city-states. He said "It gives more of a nod to the German Lander system of Federalism", which is not really connected to Italian merchant republics if you ask me. You might as well use the Dutch Republic as an example for a republic then.
All I'm asking for is suitable terminology. If you want these areas the way you painted them on the map, call them autonomous principalities or something. If you don't want them called like that, shrink them to the size of real city-states.
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I was about to suggest that Principality could be a better term for this sort of thing; considered on the same tier as the Kingdoms, but with a slightly different title to indicate that they're only ruling a single area.
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Darnit, I always get those two mixed up...
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But the HRE city-states are the ones is trying to emulate, and those were small.
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Well, the map is certainly more amazing than it was before
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Heh, thank you! And there are a lot more names in the ducal list now...the former noble families of Europe invited back to rule!
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Hmm. Now, just wait for the revulution france.
*grabs popcorn*
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Heh, it's already happened! Although did you see the descendants of the old French ruling houses (Bourbons, Orleans, Bonapartes) have been invited back to rule certain states? German and Italian houses too!
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There is; there's just an aristocracy alongside the elected officials... 's got a deviation in the works showing just how it will all be set up.
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Now this is going to be intresting.
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