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practice metal , I'll pass on a landscape session now, I think it will bring me a lot
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Aside from the detail in the armor design and the background, thank you for drawing actual armor on a girl instead of the typical, skimpy 'boob armor and thong'. She's actually covered up and looks like a knight, not some dress up.
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Why is it people always complain about warrior women that wear very little protection in battle but no one ever cites male warriors that wear nothing but their underwear at all times!
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I think it's because most people would view the male less sexually than the woman? Face the fact; it's a double standard. Most people into this sort of art that would be actively looking for it or at it would be males. Women who are into big, buff barbarian men who wear loin clothes, etc, are probably a small minority within the niche of fantasy. Men don't complain about the scantily clad men because they're not interested or affected by them hardly as much as they are the women, that is, assuming they are straight or feel the need to make this an issue.
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That's about precisely the answer I was expecting! I simply take minor pains along my journey 2 show every1 that despite tha double standards they may have N their own minds that this shouldn't B something that's subject 2 that standard & that ALL manner of nudity should B viewed N tha same light! U seem 2 understand that though I couldn't B sure solely going off UR earlier statement! I have 1 such group that's dedicated 2 ALL depictions of strong women & Co-Founded another dedicated 2 physically imposing women that aren't as ornery toward every1 as tha cliche attached 2 their physique would suggest!
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I understand what you're getting at, but it's wasted energy on me, someone who gets it (whether I agree fully agree with your entire statement or not, as I do not believe viewing more nudity just to make it 'even' is the answer). You're better of taking that energy and putting it to good use elsewhere.
I'd also like to point out that I made my original comment to this picture A LONG TIME AGO, and I had completely forgotten about it. Your response to me comes an eternity later, which makes me feel far removed and less tuned in. If you had made your comments back when I did, it would be fresh, but I don't have the desire to back track.
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Fine then if U have no desire then I won't engage U any further, I wasn't tryin 2 argue but just wanted 2 discuss this topic w/ U;(hope my text-style dialect doesn't turn U off any further either but)my point wasn't we should all B naked or anything like that but simply that every1 should view all forms of nudity(semi or otherwise)N tha same light is all...I also wanted 2 bring my 2 groups' existence(s)2 UR attention as well 4 UR critique or pleasure if U so desire!
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The internet is a VERY BIG place...if I could've found U sooner then I would've..I'm always doing this kind of thing but only like 3x out of 10 does tha deviant actually respond!
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I think your point defeats itself, since not everyone is going to view nudity in the same light, nor can they, depending on their age, gender, and sex. When you couple this with the fact we live in a male dominated society, it's really hard to get your point across in the way you are wanting. If you want to advocate for your group, I would suggest you make a forum post about it, rather than engaging individuals in a hit or miss scenario, where the success of your endeavor depends on the reception of the contactee. With a proper forum post, you present a formal argument, scenario, or topic, and people can respond accordingly.
And yes, your way of typing is a little awkward, but it's readable. If you're going to make a forum topic for it, I would consider not typing with B and 2, and the like, as it will make it easier for people to follow you. Good luck.
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Yeah Thanx but I imagine a forum post could B boring whereas this usually feels more enlightening & U actually take 2 my text-style much better than most others(especially on YouTube)I just might consider making a forum topic but this is just 1 of quite a few things I've never looked N2 doing w/ my time here @ tha dA!
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If you want to have a discussion with more people, a forum post is your best bet. If you feel strongly enough about it, it's worth the effort.
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That's Great but do U know how 2 start 1 or would U rather I search tha dA Archives on how 2 start 1 again?
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Go to your "more" tab on your nav bar. It's the last tab on the right. Then will bring up a drop down menu. Go down to forum. Click that. That will take you to the forum section. There's different sections under different headings. Go down to "Art related". The first sub-section is called "general". Make your thread it that one.
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Just thought U should C this: forum.deviantart.com/art/generโฆ :here result of my forum post!
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The responses are predictable and normal; I didn't think you were going to get that much of a difference in the responses as you got from me when you contacted me originally. Something else I can add is the fact that aside from whether or not the bikini armor is practical, it is a fetish item for many people, where it's only purpose is to appeal to that fetish. Some guys like women in military uniforms (for example) and some dudes like scantily clad women in boob armor, because it's a fetish they have within the niche of the genre. The objects, rather than the women, are the fetishes, so you could say it's the armor they're fascinated by, and not necessarily the woman (or man) wearing it.
To everyone else, this seems to objectify women, but to the fetishist, it only enhances the attraction (however abnormal others may see it) for that item on that type of woman. When you consider the armor is the trigger to the satisfaction they get, it makes sense that fanart exists in this way and for this reason; either the woman enhances the armor or the armor enhances the woman. When the average person sees a bikini-armor picture, they're probably thinking something different from what someone with a fetish is. I'm not justifying the fetish behavior, however, as that has it's own set of problems and morals.
I hope you got the feedback from your thread that you desired.
Merry Christmas.
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About as much as I figured I would get out of it but some(kinda like U here)don't realize that my point is that those who complain about the appearance of a half naked woman should B treated tha same as a man...that double standard just seems 3 crop up mostly when tha woman N question is wearing bikini-mail! The only reason I like bikini-mail IS Bcuz it's like tha female equivalent of male barbarians and tha like! I happen 2 also like tha more practical modern military or medieval mystic(full-body practical)armor women myself! U can ignore this but what R UR fetishes if ya don't mind my asking?
Happy Holidays!
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I already pointed out initially how it was and is a double standard, so I haven't missed your point at all. There is not much any one person can do about this if all they are going to do is talk. Artists are in a position to change things and exchange ideas through their work, though. Perhaps you should considering making a point through your artwork, or soliciting or commissioning people who draw well to do it for you.
As for fetishes, I only mention that as a point in itself, not that I was self-reflecting. I'm merely saying I can understand how, in addition to the double standard, this type of imagery thrives, especially in anime and manga where there are a great deal of fetishes for any number of things, and sub-fetishes to those fetishes, whether they be sexual or not. Another example of this for anime would be the 'girls with glasses' fetish. Glasses can never sexually objectify a woman or a man, but if they turn the person with the fetish for that on, it causes lust all the same and some level of objectification may occur.
It's not as black and white as it seems, this discussion. Alot of it depends on the psychology and mentality of the people being asked the questions and the people asking.
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All I can say is UR not wrong N general but nothing can really B done w/ UR supposed solution of using my art 2 'break tha standard' if U will! I've been tryin 2 do tha same thing w/ muscle women 4 tha longest time and the only thing its accomplished is attracting 'like-minded' individuals 2 my cause and while this isn't not a favorable outcome it still isn't tha desired result Bcuz 'others' still feel like muscle women look like men N drag and liking em makes men gay...yet they won't explain if a gay woman is attracted 2 em either..and I know of such!
Where bikini-mail is concerned: I just want every1 that believes it's simply fanservice 4 men 2 realize that it's mostly just tha female equivalent of male warriors! I don't really care if 'female N bikini-mail' turns any1 on or not, I don't believe that much can really B helped!
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A 'girl(proly guy as well)w/ glasses' fetish is called moe(mo-eh)I do believe...or is tha person themselves called moe..4got!
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You can't necessarily convert people to your ideology on a subject which itself is subjective due to all the factors involved. Can we objectively say, right off the bat, that there is a double standard here? Of course. It's the first thing I said to you, and it's obvious. Can we objectively make a case for any other argument that arises? No, not necessarily, and even if we could, others are not bound by it.
You say you "want everyone to believe", but that's not going to happen. I think the best thing for you to do at this juncture, is to just accept that people are entitled to their opinions and feelings on the subject and agree to disagree on it when you run into people that don't see it your way. If you really are passionate about this, you would find new approaches.
As for Moรฉ, you're right and wrong. You're right in that girls with glasses CAN be part of what it is to be Moรฉ, the glasses would only be one aspect of it, in the sense that they are just an accessory. Usually, a true Moรฉ is cute all around and in behavior, regardless of props, but the props carry some extra over.
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I never said I "want everyone to believe" but not 2 dissimilar I did say "want everyone to realize" and that is 2 realize tha "possibility" that any given bikini-mail is tha female equivalent of...male such & such! The only reason I'm talking 2 U is Bcuz "I spied" U N a position which suggests U were 1 that feels bikini-mail is either degrading or fanservice or(what I didn't really consider @ tha time as I should've)were tired of seeing it everytime U turn UR head! Now does any of those 3 reflect UR position on bikini-mail and which?
I also am taking measures 2 C 2 it that this double standard can B brought 2 light but only N sparse increments as I am busy w/ other concerns! U seem 2 follow tha creed of "U can lead these horses 2 water/show these horses my water BUT they may B far beyond unwilling 2 drink from it" just as I realize tha whole time! It's kinda like a court case: It's not what U show or technically even prove, it's what U can convince tha jury is tha way U want em 2 C it;ย tha jury N this case have already set themselves on what they wanna believe is right!
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I figured that would end up being what moe was all about soon after I posted...otherwise Bayonetta might fall N2 that category!
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We're just talking in circles now. I'm done. Good luck to you.
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I actually managed 2 find "A" drop down menu inside tha down-pointing arrow next to tha "deviantART" logo N tha corner of my screen on my left that lead 2 tha same forum screen that U described N UR directions! I plan on creating a forum called "Is 'bikini-mail' really as bad as most women make it out to be" very soon 1ce I work out an opening statement!
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The cape's shadow effect is well done. Great work!
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Wonderfully done. :]
Always find myself captivated by your work lately.
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You're quite welcome.
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J'adore!
Je suis vraiment fan de ce genre de compositions et de cette atmosphรจre, les contrastes de couleurs sont merveilleux (trรจs beau l'effet des feuilles avec ce flou 
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merci 
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