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Published: 2016-07-03 12:15:53 +0000 UTC; Views: 31691; Favourites: 241; Downloads: 529
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Scenario:Prussia defeated Austria at the battle of Königgrätz on the 3rd July 1866. In otl Bismarck persuaded Wilhelm I
to not annex any regions from Austria, so Austria can join he German Reich sooner or later and doesn´t hate
Prussia.
In this new scenario however Bismarck failed and Wilhelm I demanded to unite Austrian Silesia with Silesia,
so that this old region is one again and he demanded that Austria cedes the german speaking north of
Bohemia as the new province "Nordböhmen". Wilhelm also demanded that Pilsen is added to this new province.
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I took screenshots of my mapping process and if you want I could try to turn this map into a Photoshop tutorial, which would need some more time of course. Let me know what you think.
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Special thanks to for his help with Nordböhmen and Schlesien.
Inspirational music:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMZDEu…
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Comments: 150
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Well, first of all, this map is simply wonderful in every way!
The details, the color palette and quality are simply stunning!
The premise behind the map, well ... it's interesting, to put it shortly.
I do not boast of being a historian and the history of Germany before 1871 is definitely not a strong point of mine, but ...... annexing North Bohemia / Sudetenland would not technically cause Austria / Austira-Hungary to develop revanchist / irredentist feelings against the German Empire dominated by Prussia later?
How could this affect the system of alliances prior to World War I?
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In fact it could cause some bitterness among the Habsburg dynasty,
but if you consider the situation short before ww1, Austria-Hungary had no friends...beside Germany.
So there is no way they would hate the German Empire so much, that they become main rivals.
Except you turn them into real traitors and let them ally with the French.
But then Britain would most likely side with Germany to keep the balance of powers.
So many nice scenarios you can create out of it XD
Austria already lost Silesia to Prussia in the baroque era, they are used to it XD
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Well, I suppose that the loss of North Bohemia / Sudeteland would not really have something so serious for the Hasburg Dynasty. Nor do I think that border territory of such a modest size had a strategic or military importance that is essential for Austria Hungary.
Anyway, I put it that it would be interesting to explore and expand the worst possible scenario where Austria-Hungary stands on the France side and where the United Kingdom aligns with Germany, also because of the side on which Italy would go when the Great War begins.
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If Germany had Britain and probably Italy on its side in ww1,
then they would win. And Austria would be split apart by the winners and/ or fall apart.
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Mmm ... I see more or less how this scenario develops, although ... that Austria-Hungary aligns with France would not mean that they are also aligning with the Russian Empire at the same time?
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That´s true, Russias interest was to gain access to the Adriatic sea via Serbia.
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And if Austria-Hungary theoretically were to align with France and Russia, then where are the deputies with the neighboring Ottoman Empire and Serbia (the last was Russia's ally)?
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France didn´t care about Serbia, they only needed a reason to attack Germany for Alsace-Lorraine.
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Umm ... I wonder if with the United Kingdom on the side of the Central Powers (in this scenario Germany and Bulgaria alone and maybe also Italy) they could have won the Great War.
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Yes Germany on land and Britain on the water would be unbeatable. They would kick out France quickly,
and Russia was easier to defeat than expected. Austria couldn´t do much.
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Interesting situation, I suppose that Italy will also go to the side of the Central Powers in this ATL. It would also be very interesting how the map of Europe and the colonial map of Africa and Asia will change, especially as regards the overseas possessions of France.
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Unlike Germany in OTL, France would not lose all colonies, but a lot.
Britain and Germany would use their colonies like a buffet XD
Germany mostly to create Mittelafrika, Britain probably in Southeastern Asia more.
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What is striking about this scenario is that France will change so much internally and what would happen to Russia and Serbia if we concentrated on Europe in an explicit way .... Communism or Fascism would be rooted in France in this ATL?
Would the Metropolitan France lose even more territory partially occupy (as happened with the Weimar Republic and the Rhine in OTL)?
Greater Germany would come true in this scenario together with Mittle-Europe?
I think someone like you should start to develop a scenario and map of Alternative History based on the above (an Austria-Hungary that turns against the German Empire).
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I think, Austria never would have accepted. Or only if they have been strongly defeated, but after that, an alliance between Germany and Austria never would have been possible. And in this case, Saxony also would have been annexed.
In otl, one of the armistice conditions was, that Saxony is not touched. For Austria, it was important, to have a buffer state at the border of Prussia. In otl, Bismarck was considering, to annex Saxony. So if Bismarck did not annex Saxony for some reasons, it would be really impossible to annex any part of Austria.
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Ja maybe they could get a slight change in the eastern part of Bohemia,
taking the small rest of Silesia for example.
But I´m also sure, if Austria has no other allied in the upcoming world war,
they would still ally with Germany. Anything else would be suicide.
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I think, in this case two strong alliances would be formed: Germany - Russia - Italy and Austria - France - UK on the other side
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If Germany has Russia and Italy it would win tho^^
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Austria will get pissed at this loss. I'm afraid that if the franco-prussian war still happens ITTL, it'll end up as a franco-austro-prussian war.
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I´m not sure if Austria would support France, also they accepted more or less,
that Prussia is the dominant one and they concentrate on their own empire.
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Do you know how strong was revanchist thought in Austria between the austro-prussian and franco-prussian wars?
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The war declaration of France caused an outrage all over the german states, even in the prussi-sceptical
south. The Austrians at that time also feeling as Germans, would´ve never dared to fall Prussia in the back
when France (like the first Napoleon) is about to invade once more. There is no way, Austria would attack
Prussia, not even for some land in Bohemia.
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Do you believe the austro-prussian war could have been avoided if Ferdinand Cohen-Blind had assassinated Bismarck one month before the war's breakout?
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Only maybe, I guess the plans were already created and they would even do it without Bismarck.
But without him, they´d definitly annex land.
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kannst du die Karte mit allen deutschsprachigen Regionen von Österreich ergänzen (und Luxemburg) ? Fänd ich sehr schön 
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Das kann ich sehr gerne machen, ich habe es auf meine Liste gesetzt!
Ich habe leider noch andere Projekte die ich davor beenden muss, es kann
also etwas dauern, aber ich denke dass ich es zeitnah schaffen kann!
Dankeschön
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Leider keine Zeit momentan sry :/
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super ! freu mich schon drauf
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um..do u know where to find a Grossdeutschland map that includes all German-speaking regions(including the Schweiz!) and has cities marked on it(like this one)?
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Yes check Lehnarus maps!
But I fear he never added Switzerland
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Make a map for him with Switzi included XD
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Schöne Karte, gefällt mir ganz gut
Sehe ich das richtig, dass auch Luxemburg Teil des Reichs ist? Sieht zumindest so aus.
Ich wäre auch dafür, dass du mal eine Karte erstellst, in der das gesamte Sudetenland Teil es Kaiserreichs ist(auch hier wieder zusammen mit Luxemburg). Würde mir gefallen
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Ah das stolze Luxemburg leider nicht, aber das kommt vllt. später noch^^
Es gab ja leider das Veto von Frankreich dagegen, obwohl Luxemburg im Endeffekt
nichts anderes ist als ein kleines deutsches Fürstentum.
Ja das kann ich bestimmt mal machen, wenn ich mal wieder einen neuen Stil ausprobiere,
aber erstmal gehts 3 Wochen nach Thailand bald
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Thanks, yes always wanted to do such^^
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Very interesting, I didn't even know this was a thing that might have happened! Fab work as ever!
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Thanks! Yes there were even plans to take all of Mähren (Moravia)
but not Böhmen (Bohemia), which would mean Prussia shares a
border with the austrian heartland, but Bohemia would still
stretch weirdly out XD
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Oh that would be a weird border haha! Also the idea of having a Bohemia seperate from Moravia is a very weird concept, I'm certainly glad that didn't happen. I suppose one could have seen a tripartite Czechoslovakia if it did.
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Yes indeed border asthetics matter too XD
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Very Good! What is name of program you use for this.
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Thanks, it´s 100% made with Photoshop^^ I know there are other good programms,
but I am too lazy to learn a complete new one XD
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Nice idea and a cool map!
But what happened to Ostrau/Ostrava??
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Well this was a reference from the older silesian borders, it is not perfect ethnically sadly.
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As in, I don't think it is on the actual map.
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