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"Jesus' last words on the cross, 'My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?' hardly seem like the words of a man who planned it that way. It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure there is something wrong here." - Donald MorganRelated content
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Actually his Last words were "It is finished!" sorry, Don.Β But there is something very wrong here.... but either you believe and thinkΒ that it's Sin, (very wrong indeed) or you don't believe and why do you still care about a nobody who died 2000 years ago?
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Adam and Eve were kicked out of the garden because they willingly sinned. Even tho Satan deceived Eve, she still decided which path to take and allowed Satan to plant seeds of doubt in her mind regarding what God had told them. Adam didn't even give it a second thought and willfully sinned.
Noah and his family were the only righteous people left on earth at the time and God wanted to start the human race over because He was grieved for having made them. "Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked with God. Noah had three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Now the earth was corrupt in God's sight and was full of violence. God saw how corrupt the earth had become forΒ all the people on earthΒ had corrupted their ways." -Genesis 6:9-12Β
God loves gays as much as anyone, but He doesn't approve of their lifestyle. He created women to complete the character of men and very clearly defines what is sin and what isn't. Those who sin and reject God bring upon themselves the due penalty for their sin (i.e, death), as the Bible clearly states in several passages.
Stoning was instituted by God in order to purge from the community those who legitimately threatened the health and safety of the other members. Stoning wasn't trivial; it was reserved for the most wicked of people. The same goes for burning at the stake, even tho we can see instances of people being put to death for seemingly innocuous infractions. This is due to a cultural belief, as well as the way people and God related. The smallest thing completely separated people from God, because Jesus hadn't yet intervened for us, so to sin AT ALL was a huge deal.Β
Jesus, being part of the Godhead, CHOSE to come down here and re-establish the connection between us and God the Father, because He cares about us enough to do so. If it weren't for that, there would be no way we could get to heaven short of absolute perfection, which is impossible to attain. Yes He forgave us; no that doesn't mean we just get off scott-free. Even Christians, on the day of the Great White Throne Judgment, will have to account for their sins. The difference is that Christians' names are in the Book of Life and will be allowed into heaven. The slow death of crucifixion was invented by the Romans, not God, although Jesus died fairly quickly due to the severe beating He'd received from the Romans prior to being nailed on the cross. He received such punishment because He was being executed as a heretic, and was separated from His Father because He took upon Himself every sin that ever was committed or would ever be committed. Again, God can't fellowship with sin.
God tested Abraham with the sacrifice of Isaac to see if Abraham had enough faith in Him to know, without a doubt, that God would provide for him ("God Himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering, my son." -Genesis 22:8). God and Abraham already knew what the outcome would be; after all, Isaac was the son God promised Abraham and Sarah. God had even named him and told them He would establish His covenant with him. Isaac was provided by God so God had the right to him as well as anyone else He made. Abraham knew he really had no right to Isaac and was willing to give him back to God.Β
When Jesus came to earth to establish His ministry, He spent a lot of time talking to women, especially those of ill rapport. Treating women like garbage was a CULTURAL ESTABLISHMENT, not an establishment from God. However, when Jesus came down to earth, that bias was intended to be erased because He sees us as equals.
People suffer through life because they reject God and don't trust Him to provide for them. He doesn't want us to suffer, but He doesn't force Himself on us; we choose whether or not to accept Him and submit to His leadership and provision. What you describe is like pushing away your mother and still expecting her to be there to powder your ass. We live in a sinful place, which is something we brought on ourselves. Besides, Earth is Satan's domain; do you honestly expect it to be sunshine and roses?
God killed the firstborn in Egypt, as part of a series of plagues, in order to whittle away at Pharaoh's stubbornness so that he would free the Jews; He even told Moses that after the firstborn were killed, Pharaoh would release his people. It was God's promise to save them from the bondage of Egypt and deliver them to the promised land, which He did, but He did so with the preparation that all the bitching people needed in order to accept it and be grateful for it, just as He prepares people today to accept what He has for them.
With love comes the much less glamorous aspect of discipline. In addition to that, God doesn't see us; He sees Jesus living in us and vouching for us. He cannot see sin and He cannot fellowship with it, which is why He decided to come down as a human and live among us. This action offered us the gift of salvation, but 1) it doesn't automatically save us, and 2) we can do with it as we want, even if it's not what God wants. It's the double-edged sword known as free will.
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I've been reading a lot of your quotes, and while they may seem like good arguments, they're attacking your idea of Christianity. Not mine. I feel like your creating a shadow-Christianity, and then punching holes in that, rather than actually researching your points. This quote for example is flawed because, "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" were not the last words of Jesus on the cross. You are creating a strawman argument. Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with criticism and would love to hear your opinion, just so long as you can hear everyone else's. I know you must cop a lot of fire from other Christians, other religious people, and I sorry that so many people, Christians and Atheists alike, feel the need to lash out whenever their beliefs or philosophies are questioned.Β
This is my opinion, I'm sharing it with you, if you would like to answer...
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No. Christ's last words in life were "It is done." Doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure this guy didn't do his research.
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it's just Jesus showing that he is human, and he does go through temptation.
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Something is wrong here allright. And if whoever said this really wanted to know the answer, he'd rent a few books on theology, or consult with a few theologists. Atheists aren't the only ones who find parts in the bible that raise questions. They are however the only ones who get full of themselves and think they're smart because they discovered something those stupid Christians kept ignoring for centuries.
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"Ouch, that hurts" - Superman
"Hulk mad, Hulk build" - The Incredible Hulk
"I'm...a deep thinker" - Michelle Bachmann
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Hmm, I thought he went out singing "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life."
Wait, sorry. That was the the story that contained humor, decent morals, and was internally consistent presented in Monty Python's "Life of Brian."
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that film is fucking brilliant
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...and if Jesus it God, then he's saying, "Why have I forsaken me!?" Think about that one for a while...
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maybe he a masochist who was secretly enjoying the pain?...
But wait,if Jesus is God and God is Jesus...he his own son? and if we follow that logic,Mary is him so he banged himself and made himself pregnant?
I'm confused now.
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That one always astounded me as a child in a religious school... Later, I realized that the bible doesn't Say that Jesus is god, or that the holy spirit is god. There goes their whole trinity.
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Either there is no God or God is insane.
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Actually, Jesus' last words on the cross were "Hey Peter, I can see your house from up here!"
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