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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - Epicurus__________
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Indeed, there are only three possibilities:
1. The god does not know about the evil - then he is not all-knowing.
2. The god knows about evil but cannot prevent it - then he is not omnipotent.
3. The god knows about evil but for some reasons (I do not care which particularily) does not want to prevent it - then he is malevolent.
As you see, there are no other possibilities, but all these three are bad for the god.
"God's Only Excuse is that he does not exist". Stendhal.
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Evil happens because Humans choose it, and God allows us to make our own choices.
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This means that the god is not against evil, he is malevolent.
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So it's malevolent to give human beings free will?
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It is malevolent to create such beings that can choose evil, and it is malevolent to punish them for it.
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Freedom is never inherently evil.
They choose to do wrong they choose to be punished.
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No, you are wrong. If someone says the god makes people able to choose freely this or that decision, then the god must accept any of them and say: "Well, it is your will, let it be so", because else it is not a free, but a forced under the threat, choice. And if the god lets people to do harm to other people, the god is guilty in it.
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Why must He do that? Why must God do anything? He is God. He makes the rules. You cannot make an objective statement of morality without acceding His will in it, because without Him nothing is objective.
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No, you are wrong. Rules must be equal for everyone: for real people and for the imaginary god. If someone thinks that the god created such people that can do harm to one another, that this god is guilty in it.
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What do you mean "such people that can do harm"? Everyone is capable of doing harm. Some choose to, some choose not to. Those that do are punished. Those that refrain are rewarded. That is justice.
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I mean: if someone thinks that it is the god who made people able to do harm to other people, animals and so on, then the god is guilty in it and the god must be punished.
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That is complete and utter horseshit! How can you say that it would be more just to deprive people of free will than to allow them to freely choose Him?
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But if someone thinks that the god gives the people free will, then the god is responsible for all evil that the people will do.
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Bullshit. The entire point of free will is that you alone are responsible for you actions.
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If so, we have no need in the imaginary being named god. Yes, the people have free will without any of the gods imagined by the mankind during many thousands of years. No god concerns the human's free will.
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Are you entirely incapable of having a civilized argument without being a dick?
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The civilized argument says: if you do any act (for example, giving free will to your creatures), you are responsible for all its consequences. That is why, if someone thinks that it is the god who gave the people free will, then the god is responsible for all evil that we can see in the world.
But we, the Atheists, say that there is no god, that we got our free will by ourselves, as a result of a billion-years-long evolution that never had any goals, and this is the only reason to say that all good and all evil that we see among people is from people themselves, and they must be punished for their wicked deeds.
God's only excuse is that he does not exist. Stendhal.
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That is complete and utter hogwash. By that logic, the doctor(or perhaps midwife) who delivered Hitler is guilty of genocide. By giving humankind free will, God is absolved of any crime committed by them.
And by what right do you pass that judgment? If all human beings are beholden to their own will, what moral justification is there to punish them for that?
If ethics is subjective, then we should expect people to recognize that actions which they are inclined to think of as "wrong" are only wrong from their point of view-C.S. Lewis
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The doctor that delivered Hitler could not know who will grow of him; the doctor was a simple man, not a god. But when the theists state that their god is all-knowing, it means that the god knew in advance what will his creations do and did nothing to prevent their evil. That is why such a god is guilty.
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He knew we could do evil and commanded us not to. The fault is upon Mankind alone.
And you didn't answer my second remark.
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The god only commanded the people not to do evil, but, at first, did not prevent them from doing it (gave the ability to do evil), and, at second, does more evil than all people taken together (The Worldwide Flood, Firebombing of Sodom and Gomorra, Ten Egyptian massacres and so on). That is why, if someone says that the god created such an imperfect world with imperfect people, it means that the god is imperfect himself (a monkey that has found a grenade in the forest) and must be blamed for it.
Today I have read such an ironic phrase: "The god created the world and the mankind, looked at them, sighed sadly and washed his hands" - hint to Pontius Pilate.
And all moral laws, "what is good and what is bad", are made by people's societies. When life conditions change, so do the moral laws.
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^ exactly.
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?…
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makes laws, we break, we reap punishment. gives way out. a choice. God is able but doesnt prevent it because he set the laws in motion for this world and told us plain and simple how to follow. Would God make a promise and break it? say one thing and do another? God is responsible for making evil possible because without it we wouldnt be able to make any choices. however we made evil actual. blame the people.
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If you read Death Note or H.P. Lovecraft then the idea of God becomes less of a loving parental figure and more like a farmer; creating life just so it has something to feed on
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A very excellent quote that I found when I was undecided in which path I would walk... luckily for me, I am intelligent enough to realize that this "god" figure does not exist.
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I like this a lot. But upon thinking about it, part of the problem is that Christianity makes their god into some lovey-dovey Santa Claus type figure when their own bible contradicts that belief. If anything, he's a sadistic, murderous thug who brags more about how many people he's killed than about anything else. Also, his actions demonstrate that he hates humans, and that when he says he 'loves' humans, what he really means is that he loves obedient sheeple who never ever think for themselves, let alone show him to be the liar that his bible demonstrates that he is.
Anyway, like I said, I like this a lot. In today's context and view of the Christian god by so many in this day and age, the quote by Epicurus is spot-on. Nice work.
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" he's a sadistic, murderous thug who brags more about how many people he's killed than about anything else. Also, his actions demonstrate that he hates humans, and that when he says he 'loves' humans, what he really means is that he loves obedient sheeple who never ever think for themselves, let alone show him to be the liar that his bible demonstrates that he is. "
Lmao GODS A THUG, YO. DIG IT.
But yes. All of what you said
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God: the ultimate asshole!
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I've come across this one before, and it is superb. Instant fave, and I'm putting it on my page!!!
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