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"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one" -George Bernard Shaw_____
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This is just insulting to religious people. We get it you are an atheist, now stop acting like a jack ass about it.
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This is a well constructed argument, not an insult. Try to argument instead of being offended.
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This is not "a well constructed argument", it's just an insult. His page is full of nothing but insults to religious people and how much better being an atheist is. I am not even a religious person but even I admit he seems to be a bit of a dick.
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His page is full of quotes from historical figures XDD, and you still claiming that this is an insult but you still can't find a reason why. This quote only states the truth, denie evidence is the same act as getting drunk, you are fooling yourself just for a brief moment tranquility.
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But at least half those quotes are how religious people are stupid. Now I am an atheist so I agree that God probably doesn't exist, but why does that give us a right to be nasty to people who do believe? He has a quote about how bullying doesn't make you cool, but isn't that exactly what he is doing. Trying make himself feel better by telling others their beliefs are dumb.
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Maybe if religous people weren't all day trying to twist the laws to impose their beliefs by force nobody would say anything. But religious people attack constantly others life style and they whine if somebody even say anything.
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Not all religious people do that, you are just using a stereotype as an excuse to accuse all religious people of the same behavior.
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The problem is that there's many of those in the goverments where they can make unfair use of their influence to attack entire populations.
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But that's true with any group of people following the same ideology. Also don't forget religion has also done a lot of good in the world, from charities to civil rights religion has often served a greater good. Now this isn't to say there aren't bad religious types out there like ISIS or the KKK but there are also Objectivist who are among the worst non violent groups you will ever meet. Seriously, Objectivism is perhaps the most evil ideology that has never committed a violence. Also Joseph Stalin, man who murdered 20 million people, was an atheist. So maybe it isn't religion we should be talking but any group of dangerous radicals.
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YOur argument is very old,overused and debunked.
1.- Religions donates little part of what they get from charity, they keep most of it. They do it for greed, not for helping.
2.- Stalin was a monster but in their death of his regime the media includes the deaths on the battles of the front agaisnt the Nazi army. Stalin's regime's didn't killed more people than any other distatorship, and killed less than slavery in Usa just barely a century before.
3.- Russia never been atheist to begin with, orthodox chistianism was and is everywhere in Raussia, they just closed the churches for some time but they were and still very christian orthodox fanatics.
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1. That is an out right lie/ misunderstanding how church funds are used. Yes churches do keep some of what they bring but most do it to maintain the church. How do you expect priest feed themselves or pay for help? Now the percentage of what they keep changes from church to church, but most do give a large amount of it to helping the poor.
2. Stalin and the Communist Party of Russia where atheists. I don't understand why a murderous mad man can't just be an atheist. Or do you just believe atheist can't commit murder. Also those twenty million had nothing to do with the war. Those where caused directly by Stalin's decisions.
3. You still haven't acknowledge all the rest of things churches have done to help people. You can't just ignore the positives simply because they don't fit your world view.
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You call lies, I can call lies on everything you say too.
And by the way, you just fleed from the subject of the conversation. This was about why people show their discontent against religion, I told you that is because religious groups use goverments to impose by force their beliefs on everyone else. You argumented nothing, you swapped the subject to name facts of the past that have no relation with that matter.
If you have nothing else to say this conversation is over.
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I just reread our whole conversation and I already told you that you are just putting all religious groups into one category and that isn't just religious groups who do that. Plenty of non religious groups try to use the government to further their agenda. These groups include civil rights activist, racist, liberals, conservatives, socialists, communists, animal rights activist, and many more. Everything you have said has been ether a lie or you really don't understand how government works. Also this conversation isn't really about religious groups using government to further the agenda, but if this stamp is insulting and it is. Listen you don't have to like religion, but when you put up things like this how are you any different than the asses you claim to hate? You are just trying to tell everyone else your belief system is right and everyone else is an idiot.
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But religion is the one that most impositions have made and for the longer time. Millenia of dictatorship, directly or indirectly, imposed by violence or by bribing the goverment. The day that religions stop forcing themselves intos everyone's lifes and countries then people will stop complaining.
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Even if we didn't have religion then people would come up with other excuses to control other peoples lives. We already see that in the atheist Communist Party of China who are constantly invading privacy and human rights. Ass holes will always be ass holes, religion is just a convenient excuse.
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That is true, and that's why goverments like chinese are constantly critiziced and attacked in all kind of media, even movies. It's already covered more than enough until there's nothing more to say, that's why people in the internet focus on cover religion, that is not so covered by the media.
For that matter, tha same critics to religion can apply to goverments like North Korea. The idea of "supreme leader" is the same as "god", they both fundament on a absurd,unquestionable dogma forced on everyone by law, fear or both. The only diffference is the they removed the divinity aspect so there's less to justify, is like a evolved version of religion and exactly the same as small sects use, worship a "leader" on base to some unquestionable absurdity and let the brainwhased impose that idea on others by fear.
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The media covers religion all the time, trust me I live in Boston and I use to be Catholic. Also your argument is starting to become confusing. So do you agree or not that even without religion people would just find another belief system to use as an excuse to be ass holes? For instance Objectivism is one of the most evil belief systems on the planet and one of it's core beliefs is atheism.
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What you seem to not undertand is that atheism is personal. The ony thing that an atheist have in common with another is that they negate the primitive ideas of gods. Whoever tries to give guidelines for atheism to follow is a scammer, someone trying to put a modern facade on a new religion wanabee.
And yes you can be an asshole without religion, but that doesn't make religions less injurious to the modern world.
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Not a bad argument, however I would say that religion is also very personal and that anyone who tries to give guidelines is a scammer. A priest job should be to teach the bible and lessons it has with in as well as providing comfort in times of need, it should not be to tell people how they should worship or what their relationship with God should be like.
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Well, they say ignorance is bliss.
Dont know about the drunken man being happier than the sober one. I really dislike feeling like my thoughts are trying to swim through molasses. But, people tell me my views on the world are pretty screwed up to begin with.
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