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You've already got five brainless evangelists on your back. I was surprised they would even find this stamp and CLICK IT.
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Actually, He has done a lot of things. The fact that you are alive right now is proof that God is active.
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Hahaha! That's retarded.
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I could of written a rather long explanation as to how I know God is active, but there's people like you who won't engage in intellectual conversations and have strong biases towards whatever you believe, which usually leads to pointless comments, like the one you just posted.
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Uh huh.
"The reason why you're alive today is because of gawd" is SO intellectual!
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(Thank you for confirming my last statement.)
1) That's not what I said, so there's no need to put quotes around it.
2) If you think you can refute my first statement, go right ahead, do so.
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The fact that I'm alive is proof that the big bang has done its work
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Who knows? What caused god to exist?
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Nothing/ no one. God doesn't have a creator, because He is the beginning, He created time, and is not bound by it. Science will always fail to explain a first cause, because their laws are bound by time (this is why you can't explain what cause the Big Bang, or what cause that thing ect...)
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Everything has a beggining, and everything has an end. The universe doesn't really have a beggining neither, and we don't know when it'll end. Personally, I think that religion was created to put the same common answer to things that we can't solve, so even if science can't answer it I still trust it, because if someone has the anser to everything it's a little suspicious.
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You've contradicted yourself in your first two sentences. "Everything has a beggining, and everything has an end. The universe doesn't really have a beggining..."
So you say everything has to have a beginning and end, but then you say the universe doesn't have a beginning.
"so even if science can't answer it I still trust it,"
So you believe in things that you don't think are absolutely true. Brilliant.
I for one, am going to believe in things that I see answer my question, that I fully trust.
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It doesn't really have a beggining, because it's said that the actual was created from another's big crunch and successively, it doesn't have a determinated beggining, though it existed.
Unknown isn't the same as not true, science doesn't know many things, but that doesn't mean it's not reliable.
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No, by definition, every natural reaction must have a cause. You are unable to point to a first cause because the science you put so much of your trust in, hasn't come up with an real explanation yet.
You're right, science doesn't know a lot of things. It can't explain how everything began, why were here, what makes us different from animals, how all the little processes of life work, ect... (they can try, but usually come up short, and not really that reliable one those matters)
I put my faith and trust in something that can explain all those thing.
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"did nothing for millennia" is subjective. I think he's more active now than ever before.
Man, I hate spelling "millennia". I'm sorry, but that just annoys the heck out of me. I should go away now.
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Are you an atheist?
I don't know about religion and stuff. I'm just going to live my life to the fullest and see what happens. Although, the idea of god appeals to me.
(And, I'm jewish)
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Actually I am an agnostic atheist.
But I'm open-minded so I really don't have problems with religious people, normally it's religious fanatics that don't like me 
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We're not saying that you HAVE to. We're saying that it would be good for you to, because God doesn't wish that anyone go to Hell just because they couldn't see past the mumbo jumbo scientists make up because they can't believe that someone actually tried to do something good for the world.
Don't get me wrong, I think science is awesome, it used to be one of my favorite classes, but God hasn't just sat back to enjoy the show, he has preformed SO many miracles but they get over-ruled by the bad things that happen in life.
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scientists do not 'make up' 'mumbo jumbo'. THEY are the ones trying to do good for the world. why can't something happen without it being 'god's doing'? oh, that's right, because religious people are manipulative and delusional and try to make everything they believe in seem right. call me blunt, but i've tried to be polite with religious people saying utterly crazy things for far too long to just browse by someone saying 'lol science is made up'. why don't you go to a scientist who works day and night trying to find new cures and medicines for people and tell them that they make up what they do? exactly. if you get a serious disease, go ahead, don't go to the hospital. after all, medicine is science, and science is made up, so it's totally not reliable!
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Thats NOT what I'm saying. I do believe that most science is true and plausible,How else is my mom supposed to become a nurse like she has wanted to for the past ten years?
But there are some things that I simply will not believe. Like the universe being made in a 'big bang' or that we are descended from monkey's/apes.
I also know that thunder, lightning, earthquakes, and tornadoes are made through a system that is science and that they are NOT God's wrath or his emotional feelings.
I know that doctors and scientists work day and night and every time in betwixt the two creating cures for diseases and that going to the doctor when you have a serious disease could probably save your life.
I think it's just sad when you hear another case on the TV about a kid who died because their religious parents thought that doctors were 'evil' or that medicine was made up and so they let their kid die. It's just sad and stupid.
And you know what else? I find it sad that you automatically think that all religious people feel this way, because frankly, not most do. We are not manipulative and delusional. I know that there are a lot of those people like that though.
Our religion (Christianity that is, I can't saying anything about Mormons or any other 'branch' ) is based upon love, not like 'love love' but love such as brotherly and sisterly love. Love thy neighbor, even when their dog makes YOUR lawn go yellow because of its overactive bladder.
If you do not see us this way then maybe there is a better to say this.
Say when we die there is nothing, nothing at all. No golden streets and mansions as far as the eye can see. So we spent an hour or two at church every Sunday praising to a God who wasn't even there and reading Bibles about an amazing being who said he was the Son of God. Shame on us. But what if there was something? Something more amazing than you could EVER imagine. Wouldn't you wish you had believed in Him and Jesus instead of haveing a heart of stone that wouldn't believe anything that they couldn't see with their stubborn eyes?
In hope that your heart might soften,
-Navy
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So you pick and choose what part of science you like and you go with that and the parts you don't like to think about become 'mumbo jumbo'. Selective reasoning. Nice.
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i had my heart 'soft' before, and i did try to take account everything that people said, but it's just ridiculous. i don't even think i can describe to you how upsetting it is to me that people actually believe this. and by the way, it's pretty obvious that people are descended from monkeys, as ridiculous as it seems. the fact that you don't believe things with lots of evidence for them pretty much is KEEPING my 'heart from softening', so you are working against yourself completely.
you are the one with the stubborn eyes. you're refusing to believe things that have so much merit behind them and are instead staying to primitive beliefs. people say 'god is there every day' and 'waking up is a miracle' and blah blah blah, but since when is that evidence? since when is that supposed to make me believe anything? it's not that i am just stupid and don't want to believe in a god because i dislike the idea of it. i do, but some of the verses in the bible are terrible, and plus i have no /reason/ to believe. i was brought up to believe whatever i wanted, and my extended family is very religious. i even went to sunday school. i decided this on my own, even with massive pressure from others and society to be christian. even as a child i just never saw the point. i've noticed that at the camp i go to, which is for people that are supposed to be mentally talented, most people are atheists or agnostic or something of the like.
just because it is a tradition does not mean that it has any merit. yes, the bible says some good things, but the various biblical books outweigh their good with bad and tell you all sorts of things. they cause people to hate others, start wars, and do all kinds of things that wouldn't happen if there were no religion.
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so yeah, i guess there's nothing i can do to convince anyone who doesn't want to actually do the research and question themselves for a change. i'm just so extremely depressed that people actually believe these things. i find it sickening and irrational. but hey, that's just me.
and i think that anyone who has a religion is delusional. the fact that someone could believe in a higher power communicating with them or listening to them or something along those lines is a step below schizophrenia.
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I KNOW that I'm not stupid, I've been called nuts before but not for the reason you are calling me crazy.
There is 'evidence' that we are descended from monkey's but did you know that we also share 25% (some say up 50%) of our DNA with bananas? And we are NOT descended from them, huh? Are we?
My mother is THE top student in just about everyone of her classes, and you know what she's going to school for? To become a nurse. My dad is just about as religious as my mom and he got almost all in school, while being head football player. He joined the Navy when he didn't have enough money for school, but now he has some of the people over at the medical John's Hopkins raving about how good and smart he is (especially math) at his job and BUMED (Bureau of Medicine and Surgery) (Yes, I know it spells bummed)
And me? I'm in all GT (Gifted and Talented) classes except for math (I'm in pre-algebra) and just about everyone of the kids in my class in religious, most of them are some type of Christianity, although a couple are Muslim and Buddhist.
There are scores of scientists who also believe in Christ. Here, how's this science? He's not a scientist, but he sure tried to prove to people that there was no God or Jesus, and he ended up doing exactly the oppsite.
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I have a question. Do you think I belive the world is going to end today (Saturday)?
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yes, and we share 98% percent of our dna with monkeys of most species. our skeletons are ridiculously similar and there are fossils from past 'versions' of humans, so to speak.
you are linking me to ONE MAN. clearly this one man's opinion stands for that of every atheist or scientist, right? no. he might've seen something that changed his mind but that is not representative of how any other atheist that handled the situation, and you don't know which variables might've played in his conversion.
and no, i don't think you believe that, lol. just because i think your views are ridiculous does not mean i think they are THAT ridiculous. (although it would be even funnier if you believed the world was going to end today.)
i find it hilarious that you find science reliable for so many other things, yet when it comes to equally reliable science you don't agree with it or research it because it doesn't agree with your beliefs. even though the same system is responsible for biology and medicine and all sorts of other theories that you agree with, when the same method is presented to something else it's clearly terribly wrong.
also, for your banana comment: "And for Pete's sake, why do people misinterpret this in a childlike way to mean we are "50%-banana"? Why don't they do even the slightest bit of research to understand what this means?
That doesn't mean that there is or ever was something that *looks* like half-banana/half-human! Not all your DNA is what you *look* like. Most DNA is involved in production of proteins, enzymes for creating or breaking down sugars, for building cellular structures and processes, etc. etc.
Heck, the structure of the hemoglobin pigment (a protein) in animal blood has a lot of common code with the structure of the chlorophyll pigment in plants. That doesn't mean that we have some chlorophyll or plants have some hemoglobin. It means that the same basic molecule structure was basically readapted for two very different functions.
And it's not just the similarities, but the precise differences within those areas of similarity that points to ancestry. If there is a common sequence in the DNA of two organisms, but that sequence has a specific "typo" in location 123 .. then we can trace common relationships and branches by finding other organisms that have the same typo in the same location 123 of that same sequence.
And finally a lot of DNA has no function at all ... literally called "junk DNA." These are carryovers from common ancestors between the two organisms ... going right back to bits and pieces that are useful in even more elemental organisms.
It's this junk DNA that's really a tell-tale sign of common ancestry. Why else would there be common sequences of base-pairs in the DNA, that are present in both species, but serves no function in either species?"
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Which miracles? If you mean like those of Lourdes then I'm still right, since most of them were a type of cancer that could heal alone.
And if you think I was in any way attacking you, then I am sorry, you have got it wrong, I was just saying what I know.
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I'm not just talking about big things like that. Not every miracle has to be something HUGE. It could be as simple as waking up and seeing the sun in the morning and feeling like today was going to be a nice day and it actually was. Or, it could be a family member that was in a comma and unlikely to wake up, yet they awoke. It could be anything good that happens in your life. And I know that my life has certainly improved since coming closer to Christ.
Not everything is publicized for the world to see. Just because not everyone knows about it, doesn't mean that it's not out there or that it's not happening.
I do not feel like you are attacking me, I feel this is more of a debate.
(By the way, you said 'most were a type of cancer, not all. 
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Well, your way of seeing miracles as the little things of life is quite poetic I must admit it.
Anyway about those miracles of lourdes were, like I said last time, most were a type of cancer that healed alone, but the others were those that had died or had found a very good doctor.
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I see things in life like this because just a few years ago I felt like my life was anything but good.
I hated school. With a passion. My best friend had to move to a different school, leaving me to face the bullies on my own. I was very nerdy.
Then old best friend moved to my new base and I would've trusted her with anything, but she became the main reason why I hated getting up in the morning to go to the Hell Hole I called 'school'
To make it worse, my at home life wasn't too nice either. My dad was completely stressed out because the Navy wanted him to go to this special school and he NEEDED to pass. So, from the stress, he was pretty... discouraging.
My mom wasn't always drunk or anything, but she was usually pretty dull and mean. Mainly because she was kinda depressed. Like she had been for a few years now.
There would be days when she was happy, but most of the time she was just a slightly b*tchy, dull person. And thats not who I used to know her to be.
Now that my parents and I are stronger in our faith then ever before, we are so much happier. We don't snap at each other all the time, or yell. We aren't some perfect family, but sometimes I feel pretty dang close. Especially when we purposely freak out random people in the Commissary by having conversations on which knife it would be easiest to cut through your fingers with.
But my point is, I see miracles as some of the little things in life is because before this, I thought their was no such as miracles.
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Oh yeah, he sure did nothing. Didn't turn the sea to blood, didn't do any miracles, didn't bring Jesus back to life, nothing.
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Actually there are proofs sea to blood never happened(I read this SCIENTIFIC article 1-2 years ago explaining it was TOTALLY A LIE), there aren't even proofs that Jesus existed in first place.
If you want me to believe than you must give me REAL proofs, not something writed by some schizofrenic millennia ago.
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Well, I believe in God. And by logic, we all know it's impossible to do that. The Bible, to me, is no more than a metaphor
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Agreed. My friend is Catholic borderline-Agnostic. She doesn't believe the Bible at all, but believes in the philosophical value of it.
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No one said you had to. Pretty bad 'strawman' argument.
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Very awesome stamp
I really love it when people use their brains, instead of just blindly believing in things. It's really rather ridicules.
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Exactly. I respect a person's right to believe in God, but I certainly do not think it is justifiable for them to force their beliefs down the throats of other people.
Besides, if Christianity really is the "one true religion", why did their God allow people to worship thousands of so-called "false gods" millennia before even the concept Christianity, or even Judasim, existed?
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Maybe because God believes in free will? Do you really want Him to not give you a choice in anything you do, to make us all robots?
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Yes, I understand where you're coming from.
Just so you know, I'm open-minded on all religions, Christianity and Pagan religions alike.
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In my opinion, we see proof of God every day. Just how the world works. It's so complex, how can someone not be behind it? For people who believe in evolution, how can they think that everything just happened to fall into place perfectly? It makes no sense.
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Fall into place perfectly eh? Between 95 and 99 percent of all species that have evolved are extinct. Say if there are too many birds one year, the majority starve and there are more predators to eat them, next year it is reversed. There are more predators than birds because most didn't survive winter. Predators starve, bird population recovers better adapted to lean years, so on and so forth (Sort of, more to it than that but that's the idea behind evolution)
Look too hard at something and you will just strain your eyes. Major-Screwloose
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I see your point.
However, I don't think the world was created in six days. I believe that if God did create the world, he must have done it in a way far too complex for even a human of great intelligence to understand. Therefore, I think that the Genesis is a way of explaining creation in a way that is understandable to humans.
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No one should tell you, it's up to you what you believe in.
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