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jmmarr [2024-03-06 12:13:16 +0000 UTC]
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YYDloophole [2018-02-11 05:58:52 +0000 UTC]
The shark scene at the beginning does seem superfluous without his reprise. But I wouldn't call a small fish who can swim that fast with such a load, slap an eel, and retrieve and stash away a statue bigger than him a guppy. Then again, those are only faint glimmers of light compared to what could've been. Of course, those glimmers are still so precious. Then again, this is all just my opinion.
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AverageJoeArtwork In reply to YYDloophole [2018-03-16 02:52:39 +0000 UTC]
I don't think I'd call Gult's first scene POINTLESS, 'cause he still showcases the danger of the sunken relms. But in this regard, I know what you mean (both Gult and the "guppy" remark). Something ELSE that's peculiar is how Flounder just pops up in the final climax. He's last seen panting from exhaustion after getting Ariel to the ship & then he shows up when Sebastian yells "COME ON!" to get Flopsam & Jetsam! He doesn't follow Ariel & Ursula when she gets kidnapped & he doesn't help Eric guide him, what happened between those scenes?
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YYDloophole In reply to AverageJoeArtwork [2018-03-16 14:47:22 +0000 UTC]
Katzenburg. That's what happened. Anyway, it'd be funny if they called him a tuna. You know, "chicken of the sea". And maybe Ariel calls chickens "tuna of the land".
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AverageJoeArtwork In reply to YYDloophole [2018-03-17 00:29:46 +0000 UTC]
That might've been a bit too much/fly over the heads of those who aren't that big on fish facts. Like I almost thought you were going for an Office reference with tuna until I read the full thing. www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAQpw9…
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HewyToonmore [2017-03-01 15:00:06 +0000 UTC]
Wait, wasn't her reflection supposed to be revealed in water from the explosion and not by Scuttle with a mirror?
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AverageJoeArtwork In reply to HewyToonmore [2017-03-01 15:32:42 +0000 UTC]
Yes, yes it was. I know that creates a flaw but I just framed it similar to how it was in a coloring book: vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/d… .
But when I get to that scene in my live-action comic version, it'll be done the right way.
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Lelia94 [2015-03-03 20:39:55 +0000 UTC]
I'd like to defend the final ending, if you don't mind.
Although it would have been cooler, if Ursula would have turned into black sea foam; I personally liked the idea of Ursula getting impaled by ship. Why? Because the way Eric threw a trident in Ursula's heart reminds little too much about Phillip throwing sword to Maleficent's heart and because of this much similarity it wouldn't have been dramatic enough. Second, in this case you could have seen ship's bows as a spear. How many people could survive from having spear going through their body? Okay, Ursula was giant (and she was fat even before she became giant, hah), but even for fat ball like her it's quite unlikely to survive from that kind of strike.
Then the wedding: Thank god they kept chef crazy. If it would have been like "here little friend, have some cake", it would have been rather sappy. And I personally enjoyed, when Sebastian owned him at the end of the chase.
Both alterned and final endings have their good and bad sides (I found that reflection thing quite interesting and the apology from Ariel in alterned version was sweet) and I'm not going to argue, which one is better. Things have turned to be like this and it's always interesting to know, how else it could have been, but it's kinda too late to argue about how wrong it was to not use this version in the movie.
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AverageJoeArtwork In reply to Lelia94 [2015-03-03 21:37:34 +0000 UTC]
Don't mind at all. & if you don't mind, if I could defend back.
Well, it was 30 years since Sleeping Beauty (Disney's last fantasy animated film until TLM). Maybe they were doing an homage to it. The stab works in terms of irony. What Ursula was longing for her entire life is what defeats her.
With Chef Louis, it seems a little forced. This IS the ending, after all. Wouldn't it seem a little too rushed to put that kind of conflict literally at the last minutes?
I wouldn't really say the finalized ending is wrong; just more of a stupid decision. The film ending is fine, but this just puts a damper on it. Like I said in the description, Katzenberg's the one who demanded the change. It's not mentioned what Ron & John had to say about this! What if they objected to the idea? I mean, it is THEIR movie; they're the directors!
Besides, think of Jeffery Katzenberg's other decisions. Would YOU wanna watch this version of Toy Story, with it having more "edge"? www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk8a_C… Would you wanna work with someone again after lying to a signed agreement? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aladdin_… Wouldn't you wanna fire that guy with bad ideas?
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Lelia94 In reply to AverageJoeArtwork [2015-03-03 22:01:45 +0000 UTC]
I agree that Katzenberg was real douchebag by trying to control the project of someone else and cheating and lying to workers. I've read and heard enough of this guy to see that he isn't someone you could call nice guy.
I like Toy Story just the way it is and I'm feel sorry for Robin Williams (may he rest in peace). It is clear that big deal of Katzenberg's decisions were really bad, but maybe it's the nostalgia or something, but I like slightly more the finalized ending than the alterned one. Just slightly.
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AverageJoeArtwork In reply to Lelia94 [2015-03-03 22:40:52 +0000 UTC]
Well, no problem at all with that. Diff'rent strokes, diff'rent folks.
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Lelia94 In reply to Lelia94 [2015-03-03 22:11:45 +0000 UTC]
P.S: Thank heavens they didn't put that selfish and son of a ***** Woody into the finalized Toy Story
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PeachLover94 [2015-02-21 17:11:27 +0000 UTC]
I like this depiction of the original intended ending, but I had what may be a rather stupid idea for the climax - yet here it is...
A) Ariel gets her voice back in human form, as Eric runs and manages to kiss her just before the sun sets, yet it is too late.
B) Vanessa turns back into Ursula, just as Ariel turns back into a mermaid and dives with Eric back into the sea.
C) Ursula then confronts King Triton with Ariel and Eric being forced to watch Triton exchange his name for Ariel's on the contract.
D) As the wedding ship heads back for Eric's Kingdom, Ursula becomes giant after being forced to kill Flotsam and Jetsam accidentally.
E) From the vortex created by Ursula and the trident, several ships are raised, and our heroes get the idea of ramming Ursula.
F) Eric climbs aboard the leading shipwreck; while Ariel, Flounder, Scuttle and Sebastian try to keep Ursula occupied.
G) The four appear to be guiding the cavalcade of wrecked ships piloted by Eric towards Ursula through a water canyon lined by tall waves.
H) Bolts of lightning from the trident force Flounder, Sebastian and Scuttle to pull out, leaving Ariel to guide Eric's ship solo.
I) A cannon shot from the mainland distracts Ursula long enough for Ariel to hurl the wrecked ship and Eric into ramming and stabbing the witch.
J) Eric is flung into the water from the force of the explosion that kills Ursula, and collapse on the beach, tired and naked but successful.
K) Ariel restores her father with the trident and offers to come home, feeling awfully guilty over the turn of events that led to this.
L) Realizing he was like Ariel when he was her age, the two patch up their relationship and let her be able to have the best of land and sea.
M) Triton's last present for his daughter and Ariel's hopeful husband Eric is the ability for them to switch between human and merperson forms at will for the rest of their lives.
N) Ariel and Eric get married and all of Atlantica and Eric's kingdom turn out to wish the two newlyweds the best for the future...
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Fantasygerard2000 [2015-02-11 11:32:15 +0000 UTC]
I prefer this ending because it is close to the hans christian anderson fairytale where the mermaid dies into seafoam.
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AverageJoeArtwork In reply to Fantasygerard2000 [2015-03-03 22:37:42 +0000 UTC]
& that's another plus this original has. Seeing chunks & pieces from Ursula after she's killed is a little too... graphic. Same goes for Flotsam & Jetsom's deaths. In this version, they just evaporate. That's it. But sadly, chunks & an eyeball survive... screencaps.us/198/9-tlm/full/l… despite none being shown after the zap screencaps.us/198/9-tlm/full/l…. At least it gives us Ursula's "My poor little poopsies" line.
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FarinaArtist [2015-01-27 23:11:55 +0000 UTC]
Just wonderful, if only Katzenberg had thought of this to be like Die Hard. What an idiot
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CartoonyStuff [2014-11-03 17:24:41 +0000 UTC]
to be honest, i never took her giant voice seriously. all im thinking of is Max from Cats Dont Dance.
and yes, i think this wouldve been a stronger ending.
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missnene1 [2014-10-21 20:54:57 +0000 UTC]
Wow Deleted scenes so better then the old ending.
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Davis-Lightheart [2014-10-21 03:18:28 +0000 UTC]
I dig the original ending more, for adding more depth to the story and giving a bit of depth to characters like Eric. I also prefer the idea of the final battle in this version. While I think the giant battle is epic, there is something tense about a 1 on 1 fight when one opponent is clearly stronger than the other, sort of like the Ratigan vs Basil fight in Great Mouse Detective.
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AverageJoeArtwork In reply to Davis-Lightheart [2014-10-21 03:35:26 +0000 UTC]
Exactly! By making her a giant, that makes it really unfair. Having her normal-sized makes her easier to defeat. & by easier, I mean more relateable.
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Davis-Lightheart In reply to AverageJoeArtwork [2014-10-21 05:12:34 +0000 UTC]
Well for me; making her a giant made the final battle more chaotic in a sense that it wasn't really a battle. There was no way for the fight to go any other way. Ariel had to be used as bait because she was useless otherwise, and she and Eric couldn't work together like in the original ending because then Ursula would blast them both instantly.
There are just no creative options with the newer ending.
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cjbolan [2014-10-15 09:57:51 +0000 UTC]
I agree; this ending would've been way better! I never knew the final version was inspired by "Die Hard" * imagines a TLM/Die Hard crossover XD *.
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AverageJoeArtwork In reply to cjbolan [2014-10-16 01:59:18 +0000 UTC]
There's nothing wrong with the ending used in the film, but once you hear that Die Hard fact (based off an action flick, even though this a FANTASY film), this part of your childhood... kinda gets killed. Obviously over-exaggerating, but you get what I mean right?
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Demonicweasel [2014-10-11 19:18:38 +0000 UTC]
Sorry if I've been writing a little unclearly.
What I like about the original: I like that Vanessa gets more lines and some more screentime overall. I like that Ariel doesn't get her voice back until later. I like most aspects of the final battle better. For the most part I like the concepts of the original perfectly well, but the way they're written makes me think that the pacing may not have been as good as the final version.
But the main thing I like about original is the added content on Vanessa, minus one or two quibbles. I said to start with and it's true; she's one of my favorite characters and storlyines ever, so more of her is a plus in my book.
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Demonicweasel [2014-10-05 21:55:51 +0000 UTC]
Very cool! I've read through the alternate ending before, but I haven't seen most of the storyboards (I like this style that you've chosen to stick with here), and I'm big fan of the movie in general, so this is cool
I don't quite agree with you about how generally superior this ending is, but I would like to see it redone anyway just so I can compare them back and forth in realtime. I'm also a huge fan of the Vanessa storyline, and I do agree that that got kind of ripped off in the official version of the movie, so I especially like your two panels with her. The one with Scuttle and the mirror is killer; people usually ignored the potential inherent in how she gets so utterly trashed at that wedding. Anyway, this is just a shout-out because I like this a lot.
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AverageJoeArtwork In reply to Demonicweasel [2014-10-05 22:22:40 +0000 UTC]
Well, if you click on the first link leading to the script, there's also a gallery showing what Disney did have for the old ending. One of the sub-galleries is a group of storyboards done by Glen Keane (which is why Ursula's face looks a lot like Ratigan.) & if you have the 2006 DVD, if you look at the deleted scenes, half of the original ending is there.
& just out of curiosity, what is it that you find the film ending did better than this version? (just to hear another's reasoning) & what do you mean by "Vanessa's thing being ripped off in the official version?"
The reason she's so trashed is 'cause, since I didn't comic the ENTIRE ending, I'd at least like to showcase what happened leading up to it. So, naturally, you HAVE to show stuff like feathers, water, cake frosting, seaweed, ripped clothes, starfish & any of that stuff to stimulate what happened.
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Demonicweasel In reply to AverageJoeArtwork [2014-10-05 22:39:43 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, that's great. I guess I have seen most of that from the 06 DVD before, but it'd been a while.
For the film version, my biggest thing is pacing. It's hard to be certain of course, since this ending was never officially done, but around the time Scuttle tells them all that Vanessa's really Ursula, there are so many dramatic cuts back and forth that all of these climactic moments just seem like they would be taking too long. I also think the way that the final sea battle plays off in the film version gives both Ariel and Eric more range than they would have had in the original script. I'm not a huge partisan though, there are things that were definitely better in the original version.
What I meant about Vanessa being ripped off was just a really inarticulate way of agreeing with you that the hypnotism angle is kind of lame. I like what they did with the hypnotism in the final version and visually it works really well, but I would have preferred her to have a more subtle means of control.
And yeah, I get why the wedding panel is the way it is. I was just approving, because in my experience, almost always when people make art of that scene, they sort of do what the film does and just sanitize her appearance a bit, which I always think misses a great opportunity. A big thumbs up on that.
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AverageJoeArtwork In reply to Demonicweasel [2014-10-11 01:05:19 +0000 UTC]
Alright. Took a little bit to get that, 'cause the way you wrote the second half confused me a bit. What about this: what parts of the original do you think were better than the finalized?
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