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mko1115 [2012-01-09 22:17:18 +0000 UTC]
I love it!!!! You're a genius!!!!!
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Aquamarinalin [2011-07-22 02:14:47 +0000 UTC]
Soooooo......You need to get out more often. No offense. In light of this comment, I will tell you I am a kataanger, and anyway, Bryke decided that Katara and Aang end up together. C'mon. They have a SON in avatar: the legend of korra. Kataang won ALREADY. GIVE IT A REST!
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testsareboring In reply to Aquamarinalin [2012-02-04 23:57:32 +0000 UTC]
Like I always say, SO WHAT?! Who cares if they won? Quit rubbing it in our faces already. We freaking know that! But it doesn't mean we have to stop shipping Zutara. If you still like Kataang, fine. But doesn't mean that we can't stop showing interest in a ship that we like. So just go somewhere else and leave us alone. You don't have to come here and judge. If you don't like Zutara anyways, then why the heck are you here? Go somewhere else and read a Kataang story.
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xrhiax [2011-07-13 16:23:07 +0000 UTC]
I love this; it's great! Personally, I think because Mike and Brian had to choose between Kataang and Zutara, they had to chose between the two halves (extremely lopsided halves - let's call it sixty-forty) of the fanbase. They probably chose Kataang because it was the safe choice - main character gets the girl - and of course, because they knew that Zutara would survive beyond Canon. Plus, a thirteen-year-old and a fifteen-year-old is a better ending for the younger audience of the show than a fifteen-seventeen is. But you know they tried their best to hint at what they really wanted ...
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EBHughsTeh1st [2010-11-26 16:00:19 +0000 UTC]
The series ended with that kiss. It was not the climax, it was the falling action and conclusion. And it said THE END right after they did.
It seems pretty straight forward from a guy who didn't even know that two fan groups were waring until a couple of months ago.
Now, I will detach myself from my love for keeping fiction like it is, and look over your theory: It's a 6 out of 10 on the bullshit meter. The feelings and desires for comfort were merely situational. You would want some assurance or a little warmth from someone if you were trapped in a cave underground unaware of your fate.
I think part of this can be attributed to you not liking "ships" (The hell kind of word is that) that are actually true in the show's story. The possibility of a desired character couple's potential is probably quite exciting (I'm guessing). But the finale was The End. The resolution. Revelation. Last act. Grand finale. It! And it ended the way I, a guy who watched the show and didn't think about how Zuko and Katara look so close in this one tiny scene, expected it to be.
By the way, you can try proving me wrong when Legend Of Korra comes out. Maybe it turns out that Zuko inexplicably broke up with Mai and married Katara and Aang's son is from another girl.
You could only hope...
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Misspineapple98 [2010-11-07 15:02:25 +0000 UTC]
seriously? Katara Kisses Aang BACK in the finale. If Mike and Bryan wanted Zutara, they would have made the show frikin Zutara. Also, all the romantic tension in the show revelves around Kataang, that's why for 3 kisses, there was alot of unsureness and insecurity, but in the end, Katara picked Aang. Also, how many times do Zuko and Katara kiss in the show? 0 times. How many times do Aang and Katara kiss? 4 times. I think thats really saying something.
And the fact that you have to look so deep down into the inner meanings of the romances in the show to come out with a hypothesis that is completely wrong is actually very pathetic. Im sorry, but the show ended Kataang, and I think Zutarians need to learn to accept that.
I was extremely upset when the show didn't end Tokka, but I learned to accept the canon pair Sukka, and learned to love it.
If you still don't believe me, then do you know who Tenzin is? I'm sure a fanatical Avatar fan such as yourself knows who Tenzin is.
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animegeek828 [2010-07-14 22:34:45 +0000 UTC]
idk, my parents first kiss was a kataang "now or never kiss" (my mom said he explained later that he thought if he didn't kiss her then he would never get to) that doesn't mean my mom didn't like the kiss. Would i exist if she didnt?
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serennac [2009-09-07 02:19:51 +0000 UTC]
I'm not one to argue, and I don't want to argue.
I ended up stumbling across this and my curiosity got the better of me, so I decided to read it, even though I'm a major Kataang fan.
But, coming from me as a Kataang fan--I must say, you must have put a lot of thought and effort into this, and even though Kataang won in the end, you have a very clever mind and I actually liked reading this. You pointed out lots of good facts from the show.
The only thing is--in my own personal opinion--I think of Zuko and Katara more as good friends at the end of season 3, and I'm sure Mike and Bryan thought the same when they were creating these episodes that involve the two.
Now, forgive me for my ranting, but I feel the need to share it:
First of all, yes I agree, there wasn't very much evidence that Katara had any feelings for Aang in season 1, but nor does she have feelings for Zuko, and nor did she have any feelings for him in season 2. Katara literally hated Zuko, except for in The Crossroads of Destiny for a short time, and only a couple episodes before the finale and during and after. But who could blame her? Zuko and his soldiers came and threatened her village, her family, and attacked them. The fire nation even killed her own mother. She really has every right to be angry.
In the Crossroads of Destiny, Zuko explains to her about his scar. Katara tells him that maybe he could be free of it if she uses her special water from the North pole. When she touched his scar, she was examining it first before really using it. And when she walked away and looked at him one last time, it was because she was sad that she couldn't help him, or something to that extent. She even mentioned in the Western Air Temple that she felt sorry for him and that she thought he was really hurt and confused. It wasn't something that was necessarily out of "love" or anything. Katara is naturally the kind of person that would try to help anyone at any cost who she believes needs her. It's more of a motherly act than a romantic one. And, as many have said before, Katara acts motherly towards everyone. But then it all went back to hating when Zuko totally changed his personality and turned his back on her and everyone else, and attacked her soon after.
In the episode, "The Southern Raiders," that episode seems to be more focused on Zuko trying to gain Katara's trust and friendship and clearing his name to her so that she wouldn't hate him forever.
Also in that episode, Aang didn't necessarily say that Katara "doesn't understand". He simply told her that trying to find the man who killed her mother and getting involved in revenge didn't seem like the right path, because it wouldn't accomplish anything. Aang told her that he understands that she is "feeling unbelievable rage and pain", and he understands that feeling because the fire nation attacked his people and killed them all, too, and he was left being the only one of his kind on the planet, and also when the sandbenders took Appa away from him. He never told her that Katara "didn't understand". He even told her that she should face this man, but then let her anger out and let it go. To be honest, I find the Southern Raiders to have more Kataang than Zutara. If Aang hadn't told her that revenge wasn't the right way to handle this, she would have killed the man, therefore becoming a murderer. Literally.
As for the fight with Azula in the movie finale, it just shows that Zuko cares for Katara in a friendship way. Plus, he simply stated in the beginning of the fight that he "didn't want anyone else to get hurt". What he said was an act of concern, that he didn't want to lose anyone, even if it meant sacrificing himself so that no one would get hurt. And that doesn't have to mean romance. That, right there, is something a true friend would do, too, if you think about it. Would you sacrifice your own life just to spare your best friend of all time? I don't know about you, but I would, certainly.
Aang and Katara had more development than any development that Zuko and Katara had. Mike and Bryan gave all of us hints throughout the entire series that Kataang was going to happen in the end. I can't argue with your statement on the kisses on the cheek and hugs and such. But may I also remind you that after The Fortuneteller when Katara looks up at Aang near the end, she therefore possibly realizes that Aang may be the powerful bender the fortuneteller was talking about. Also notice that after that episode, Aang receives his first kiss on the cheek from her. It might be more of a thank you kiss, but even if he didn't give her her mother's necklace, he surely would have received a kiss on the cheek from her for reasons we may not all know, but it's true.
Zuko and Katara never shared things like what Aang and Katara did. They never blushed around each other, they never shared kisses on the cheeks or anything like what Aang and Katara did. It was supposedly going to be Kataang all along (And plus it's downright adorable to me, kehehee). May I also remind you people that Katara was the first to move in for the finale kiss; it wasn't Aang who moved in first this time. In the end, their friendship blossomed into a beautiful romance.
Aside from all of my ranting, we should all keep in mind that the romance in Avatar was not the main focus. It's good to have some romance here and there to make the series more exciting, but Avatar has all sorts of other topics that make the show more interesting and enjoyable for viewers. The fighting/action, the drama, the adventure, the humor, etc. I'm totally getting this from someone's sig, but it's true. People all over the globe are screaming Kataang, or Zutara. But really, as an Avatar community, we should all be screaming AVATAR!!
Done ranting. Ja ne'!!! 83
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mko1115 In reply to serennac [2012-01-27 23:08:19 +0000 UTC]
I think that all ships have some people who really get on other shippers' nerves. Those people just ruin that ship's image. It isn't just Kataangers who are like that.
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mko1115 In reply to serennac [2012-02-05 01:21:04 +0000 UTC]
It is!!!!!!
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Fire-Orchid [2009-08-25 16:16:07 +0000 UTC]
Ha ha. Good Theory. Too bad in the actual show they don't even kiss! (But, at least they show some romantic interest that we zutarians can use against them to munipulate them in our own twisted way) But still, very good theory. Viva Zutara!
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Katara-izme [2009-03-18 18:42:15 +0000 UTC]
okay, this is like an essay, but ROCK ON! of course it would be true love, they've seen each toher at their worse, and i know from experience, that after you've fought against someone, or seen them at their worst and then you become friends again (or for the first time) you are inseperable and the best of friends. i had a major fist fight with my best friend (a boy) and after we apologized we were the closest friends. some of my other friends even thought we were going out. (eww. we're not THAT close!)
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Piggystat [2008-12-15 18:38:14 +0000 UTC]
Me thinks that the characters have their own minds!
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eugenieverner [2008-11-02 16:45:30 +0000 UTC]
Hey, Kat! your 'kiss theory' is brilliant!
You know, after reading your article, a lot changed in understanding of different lovelines in Avatar.
Moreover, finally it suddenly occured to me, why I all this time intuitively preferred zutara to kataang! Because there are no real and mutual fellings, mutual understanding and mutual LOVE in full meaning of this word! Because Katara... she is like mother to Aang))) She is always with him, she cares about him, she helps him to feel COMFORT - whatever it takes! After all, she's 2 years (or how many?) older than Aang, and Aang is still a kid, and Katara is much more innerly developed than Aang... Really, their relationships, as I guess, are not what she longs for. AND! You are a kind of genius to notice that Aang (Mai) preferred not to listen and try to understand Katara (Zuko), but to help them to think about other things. Helpfully. Sometimes, but not always.
I believe, Zuko and Katara could make an ideal loving and understanding couple (just remember their ninja mission... Only now I understand, WHY Katara forgave Zuko for everything - because he was the only one who understood her and first (!) suggested her finding out, what had happened to her mother. That was what she needed really - another sort of comfort).
I think, if they decide to create the 4th season, they just HAVE TO develop the idea of zutara.
What do you all think about this, zutarians???
P.S.:
Sorry for my possible mistakes))) English is not my native language, unfortunately...
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alrock [2008-10-14 22:18:07 +0000 UTC]
Here Here I know it doesn't happen but. Who says the story stops after the final. I love this theory, you are so right, and as a side note aang doesn't know jacksquat about relationships because ahem yah HE'S TWELVE FOR PETESAKE
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RogerRoids [2008-07-20 02:13:39 +0000 UTC]
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHY DID KATAANG HAVE TO HAPPEN????????????????????????????????!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!!?
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tigercub684 [2008-07-18 11:24:07 +0000 UTC]
wow, awesome theory. Also, it just occured to me that IF Zuko and Mai were to end up together and get married, they'd probably have one of those loveless marriages where they stay together out of spite, or no other alternative, not really loving each other and dispising one another behind their backs. And probablly having affairs. Just seeing the boredom they have at the beach is enough evidence of that. Sure, they may seem to have something now, but they're young, and it's still early. If they got bored after only a few months (the beach), what makes you think they wouldn't get bored after years of marriage. It's just further proof that they would've never worked.
And i just saw the new ep, and iam really looking forward to your analysis fo that. Especially the hug, which one Kataanger had the nerve to suggest that it was simply a mutual apology, which i'm ashamed to say almost runied my faith in zutara. (i know, i'm weak, forgive me)I hate all this uncertinty. i just want to know who it ends. Gah! luckily, this essay has me more convinved that ever in Zutara. Zutata FTW!
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tigercub684 In reply to miss-silverwing [2008-08-24 10:28:21 +0000 UTC]
yeah, i still believe that bit about maiko. one of the poorest developed relationships i've ever seen, and that includes kataang. *shakes head* oh well. At least we've still got fanfiction, which in a way is better, cos personally, i reckon some of those 13-20 yr old fangirls can write more entertaining avatar that Bryke themselves. lol.
thats ok, it's not weird. it's good to know people are still interested in these old zutara arguments.
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miss-silverwing In reply to tigercub684 [2008-08-24 14:28:19 +0000 UTC]
Really? I think Maiko was actually very well developed. It's interesting how, in the beginning, it started out seeming like a shallower relationship than it was...but they were both in deeper than they expected. Mai seems to really care about him--to love him, as she said--and although Zuko might not be at the "love" stage yet, you can tell he really likes her, too. But I don't know...it's possible it could fall through at some point, though they've broken up twice and stayed together, so it's unlikely.
Kataang was there from the first episode...their relationship started as friendship and turned into something more. Though it would have been nice to have more romantic development on Katara's part. The EIP thing just kinda messed things up for me, but I guess she didn't want him distracted from the war.
Btw, did you know--it's proved from storyboard sketches--that Katara was supposed to be smiling as she watched Aang fly away after the kiss in DoBS? I guess one of the animators was picking sides in the ship war Sorry, just found that interesting.
Zutara would have had to go through a ton of development though. I can't see how it would have seemed believable unless Zuko had joined the Gaang much earlier in the season, or if they made a season 4. They're good friends, true, but they'd have had to make that relationship deeper, feelings develop, and then turn into something real. Besides, Bryke honestly never saw Zutara as a possibility (they've said it). It was Kataang from the beginning for them, so I don't think anyone can really blame them for seeing what they did.
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tigercub684 In reply to miss-silverwing [2008-08-25 13:09:52 +0000 UTC]
well, perhaps i'm a bit biased since i'm a zutarian. And maybe i was hoping there would be a decent and interesting relationship here, but i guess it was a bit much to hope for from a kids show. Kids are young, and i suppose they do thrive on predictability.
there were a lot of things in the story board that didn't make the show. like the wereabouts of zukos mother. thats one detail i'm rather annoyed about. but i'm sure someone had a good reason for axing it. just like all editorial decisions on the story board.
If bryke were never going to go zutarian, thats cool, but it was just mean of them to leave so many hints in the show. and they're not idiots, they must of known what certain scenes would've been able to be interpereted as. Sure the CoD was probably merely a plot point for the development of their friendship, but how can anyone not see even the tiniest romantic connotations? they somehow lead on the majority of their fan base and are wondering why people are annoyed? i'm not saying Bryke aren't good writers, but perhaps they should consider the consequenses of their actions alittle more. I know zutarians weren't just making something out of nothing. there was something there, and Bryke fed that, even if it was small it was still something.
...but i'm all over that now (or trying to be at least). i've found better shows and better romances, and can now simply look back at Avatar as a sophysticated kids show and a great story (generally) with wonderful homour and memeorable characters.
But now my world is full of Death Note and Full Metal Alchemist. My zutara fanfiction is really all that remains. And at the end of the day, Avatar has at least imspired me to write some great stories. I can be thankful for Bryke for that at least.
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miss-silverwing In reply to tigercub684 [2008-08-25 20:31:20 +0000 UTC]
i used to be hardcore zutarian (i wrote a drabble series, fire and ice: zutara themed drabbles) and a kataang amv on youtube first converted me to kataang. but since it would have been hypocritical to hate zutara when i'd shipped it so passionately, i am tolerate of pretty much all ships with the exception of taang and naruhina (the first seems like incest to me and the second i just despise).
i liked kataang because it wasn't something that popped out of nowhere, maybe it was predictable but it was steady and we were able to see a steady stream of interraction and their relationship as a whole. i cried during the kiss, but because i found it to be so beautiful...they've been through so much, and i truly do believe that aang and katara are each other's perfect match.
in the beginning, yes, i believe it was something out of nothing. true, there was yin/yang symbolism there, and i suppose something could be concluded from that, but "the waterbending scroll" is the first sign i've see of anything remotely zutara. the pairing was based on too people that had hardly interracted outside of conflict. now, CoD, i can see how that might have been turned into something a bit more, but when you judge it against the kataang interraction it hardly comes to much.
bryke might have fed zutara a LITTLE, but they fed kataang so much more it probably didn't even occur to them what they were doing. kataang was the plan from the start, as they've said, and i sincerely believe that they never expected zutara to become what it did. they put in the relationship type that they liked, and they expected others to like it, too. but you can see it in naruto, with sasusaku's popularity vs. narusaku's popularity: ships like zutara just seem to be more popular...
death note and fma, now there are two fandoms where the ships are hardly disputable onesided misaXraito and edXwinry, am i correct? myself, i like ichiruki (from bleach) and narusaku (from naruto).
avatar was what prompted me to first write fanfictions, and i'm glad they gave us so much to work with, mostly concerning my otp, tokka. to this they put in toph's crush on a whim
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tigercub684 In reply to miss-silverwing [2008-08-26 12:18:11 +0000 UTC]
hey, i've read that drabble series. on ff.net, right? great stuff.
you don't like Taang?..you probably don't wanna read my latest avatar fic then. but i only really ship taang alongside zutara, cos i'd hate for anyone to be alone, and i hate it even more when people set up Aang and Toph with random side characters or OCs (Especially sues).
I dunno about kataang being perfect, but i've been arguing over shipping for months, and to be honest, i'm kinda sick of it. I like my ships, you like yours. Not that i think you're trying to argue, but just so you know, i'm not trying to either.
At the end of the day, it's probably esier for all fangirls (and fanboys, if there are any) to just live and let live. There's nothing anyone can do to change the cannon shipping so it's pretty much redundant.
another scene where Bryke fed zutara, the Azula lightning scene in the finale. i mean, come on, how many times in other shows and movies do you see the hero jump infront of something dangerous to save his leaving lady? it's a but cliche, really, but the point here is that, that scene is seldom used for a couple who are "Just friends". It's things like that, that have annoyed some zutarians (admittedly me included), where Bryke left these hints, here and there, and then dumped it all in the end in favor of Kataang. But the main thing i didn't like was Maiko. but thats kinda self explanatory, you know, zutarian and all.
yeah, sometimes it's the fandoms where only crack-pairing authors can try to argue shipping, but they are usually crushed quickly by the overwhelming cannon shippers. Althouth i know there are probably plenty OC shippers (and who can blame them? Ed and Light are HOT, and L isn't too bad either. just a bit...odd. but i could never resist a smart guy. And at least we'd share a love of cupcakes. lol)
my friends keep telling my check out Bleach, but i havn't done so yet. i do plan to, seriously, when i have more time. It sounds great. Same goes for Naruto ('ve seen a few american dubbed eps, but my friends tell me the japanese ones are much better)
Toph, she's a great character. One of my fav moments in the finale was when she jumped onto Zuko's arm and was like "What? it's my turn for a life changing journey with him" (or something like that) lol. Classic moment.
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miss-silverwing In reply to tigercub684 [2008-08-26 20:45:43 +0000 UTC]
arrgh, third reply! i missed a paragraph of your comment, one i wanted to reply to...so...sorry hope it's not trouble for you.
the azula lightning scene was feeding people as well, true, but that's not to say aang hasn't saved katara's life as well. they did make it very dramatic though...as i said, with all the kataang evidence and foreshadowing out there it doesn't really come up to much, but it's still something.
really? zutara hints? i never saw any, not really. the farthest you could probably go up until the season two finale is all the yin/yang stuff they talked about. development seems to matter more to bryke than symbolism, anyway, though yin/yang is certainly in zutara's favor. kataang...i guess that can be yin/yang, too, now that i think of it, just in different ways....
i didn't like maiko at first, and i can see why many zutarians don't, but it really seems like there's a lot of hate out there for mai's character as well. what's wrong with mai...? ah, i don't know, it just seems like they blame her for liking zuko and for maiko becoming canon in the end. i disliked song a lot more, but...it might be the maiko shipper and mai fan in me saying this, but it just seems like mai gets the brunt of it
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tigercub684 In reply to miss-silverwing [2008-08-27 11:53:55 +0000 UTC]
three replies? nah, thats fine. could happen to anyone.
mai is fine in her own right. I think it's the whole Maiko thing in general that bugs me. Mai personally is great. i love her style. black is so my colour lol.
i get that there was heaps of symbolism, but what was the point of the symbolism? and Kataang isn't ying/yang at all, really. i mean, other than them being of the opposite sex. Katara and Aang are pretty alike really. Water and Air are similar elements (which was why aang learnt water really fast as opposed to fire and earth, which he found difficult), aang and Katara are both naturally nice and caring people, both happy, calm, centered and mostly down-to-earth. It's not like the contrasts with Zuko, Toph or even Jet. I really doubt any ying/yang symbolism could be interperated as kataang forshadowing.
I think that maybe Toph was sticking with Zuko cos she felt a connection, since she was friends with Iroh. And she and Zuko have similar temperements when you think about it, both quick to retaliate. And perhaps your right, but maybe it was more of everyone else was kinda of coupling off (maybe she could sense something between aang and katara) and then sokka was with suki, and poor toph felt left out and decided to stick with the only other person left.
or maybe Bryke just thought it would be funny. either way. lol
yeah, i guess any show with several possible pairings is gonna spark arguments. I guess i was just more aware of it with avatar cos i actully looked it up on the internet. There have probably been shipping wars for years and i never knew until now. amazing.
lol, thats ok. I know many people are still alittle sore after avatar. Everyone needs somekind of output. heck, even i'm still a bit annoyed, and how can i not be? being a zutarian was so much a part of me for at least the past year (since i discovered shipping), and to be cut off, just like that. Being left a bit sore is be expected, really.
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miss-silverwing In reply to tigercub684 [2008-08-27 21:37:12 +0000 UTC]
i liked maiko, you don't, so i guess...we'll just leave it there lolz. it's nice to know you don't hate mai, though. mai needs more luff.
well, the symbolism you're speaking of basically took place only in the season 1 finale, and never really continued after that--unless you're talking about aang learning earthbending and his airbending block, though that can't really be aplied to water/fire.
if you ask me, kataang is more yin yang--in CHARACTER, at least--than zutara. katara is headstrong, focused, and has a bit of a temper. aang is much, much more yeilding, easily distracted, and easygoing when it comes to most things--he doesn't get angry often. they are compassionate and loyal. so i guess they share basic traits, but differ deeper down.
on the other hand, zuko and katara are both headstrong, can often be focused intense when pursuing a goal, as well as angering, well, not easily, but quicker than, say, aang or sokka, i think. they're passionate about their elements and are hardly ever willing to give up. saying this, i think "opposites attract" was always poor reasoning for zutara...i'd say it's better to be similar to the person you're involved with. but i also think it's not good for two headstrong people to become a couple, either. this i know from experience. then again, katara could calm zuko down when he becomes angry, and cheer him up as well. both of these she does for aang, and could do for zuko, too. (i'm starting to sound pro-zutara, aren't i? ah well )
but...in your defense, the creators DID focus on water/fire and earth/air more than anything else. the closest they came to opposites attract type romance was oma and shu, though, and they were both earthbenders.
you're right, i made it seem like she was only sticking to zuko cos of sokka. those are all great reasons, and partly why i used to ship them so hard...lolz, it WAS funny though i have to admit, i cringed at the thought of toph having a crush on zuko. mostly because tokka is forever my otp.
yes, shipping wars have been going on for quite a while now. they're actually very common, but i have to say much fiercer in the atla fandom.
i can understand that, i know that I'LL be sore if sasusaku wins over narusaku. what i couldn't stand would be if naruhina were to prevail now that would just be....ugh. awful. i hate that ship SO MUCH.
...and now i think i understand a bit of what zutarians feel half the time.
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miss-silverwing In reply to tigercub684 [2008-08-28 20:12:17 +0000 UTC]
yeah, but like i said, bryke never really focused on the "romantic" aspect of yin/yang, either. i don't think that's what they were thinking of, just more the concept of yin/yang and that opposites can be found everywhere in nature, often in balance. though the 'you rise with the moon, i rise with the sun' thing was rather hintful with the tui/la stuff going on at the same time. and i suppose balance DEFINETELY helps with the whole shipping thing, lolz. so maybe they DID mean it like that, who knows, they just probably didn't think zutara would be pulled out of it (though it is VERY easy to do so).
that's how i feel, too, especially with kataang and narusaku. more kataang than anything else, since i've never seen narusaku bashed firsthand--though i'm sure it happens. but neither ship is really winning right now (though i'm sure many would disagree, narusaku currently seems to have the better chance) so it seems all the shippers are stuck together making fun of kishimoto's withering plotlines.
i'm understanding that a bit better now, though i do find it hard to comprehend many zutarian's and their dislike for kataang and maiko--probably because i love them so much. but then again, i'm sure a naruhina shipper would say the same for me, and i can't help hating the pairing--it just naturally repels me; i just don't like the shy girl/loud girl type. AT ALL.
so i guess if shippers tried to understand each other, we'd all get along a hell of a lot better.
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tigercub684 In reply to miss-silverwing [2008-08-30 02:16:23 +0000 UTC]
yeah, you're right about that. most of the shipping war seems to stem from not understanding each other, or not willing to understand. we are just so passionate about our ship that we can't possibly comprehend why on earth someone would like the other. thats self-centeredness for you. lol.
but i'm sure there are some people out there who try and take the middle ground and support both. i know i used to, back in the early days. and then i just got so facinated with the idea of Zutara, and Zuko especially, that i started to see Kataang as annoying and childish in the face of hot, mature and potentially awesomely realistic Zutara. i guess thats partly cos Zuko's around my age and i was much more comfortable having a cartoon-crush on him and wanting him to get the perfect girl (i.e. Katara) than i was with Aang. i mean, he's still just a kid. It seems a bit wrong for a 13-yr-old to have that kind of relationship (epsiecially on a kids show). Thats why i'm glad Bryke had enough sense never to take things further than a kiss.
But i guess in the end, for me, it all really comes down to age and my own preferance. i would personally never have dated someone 2 years younger than me when i was 14 (that would make it the equivalent of my dating one of my youger brother's friends) (eww), although now that i'm 17, dating someone with a 2 yr age gap isn't so much an issue, cos it would make them about 15, and while i still probably wouldn't go there, i can see that it can be a different matter for guys to date younger. (ie, one of the guy in my year at school (about 18) is dating one of this friends' younger sister (who i think it about 16-17) so, i'm more used to seeing that kind of relationship). I don't really know of many real-life relationshps where the girl is older. And thats probably an influence on my preferance too.
To me, the guy should be older, even if it's just by a few months. or he should at least look older.
And all that is why in my mind, Zutara is prefect. nothing will ever really mess with that, i just can't be convinced of Kataang. And as for Maiko? well as much as i love Mai as a character, i do like Katara more. I don't really hate any characters in avatar. thats why in my fanfic, i make sure everyone has someone to go to when i split up the cannon couples. Katara has Zuko (obviously)
Aang has Toph (please don't pelt my with rotten fruit, i'm actully rather fond of this ship)
and Mai has some hot OC fire-nation general who she was romantically involved with before she and Zuko split up. Zuko didn't mind. He could sense he and Mai were getting bored with each other and the were only staying together for the sake of appearances.
i know it's kind of cheesy or whatever you wanna call it, but i hate to create heart-break, even among fictional characters. lol.
and yeah, thats most of my reasoning for liking Zutara. i know it's not really based in cannon evidence, but it's not a cannon relationship, so i don't really think it matters. The only real cannon evidence i can use to support Zutara would be the awesomely close friendship they have at the end of it all. I know it real life it's a different story, but in books and tv shows, it seems that most girl/guy relationshps end up becoming something more, unless one of them is homosexual or something. an exaggeration yes, but friend-bf/gf is one of those typical plot lines you see used again and again. And as a tv show, it seems plausable that the same could happen to Zutara if Bryke weren't so Kataang.
but Kataang is good, i suppose. i can accept it. but i wouldn't ask me to say what i "like" about it or anything, cos the answer to that wouldn't really have much content. But at least i can respect that people have their own preferances and not bash them like some over-enthusiastic zutarians may have.
just out of curiosity, what is it that you like about Kataang? i've always wondered. and something more than "because it's cannon" or "because they're perfect" and other stock answers like that would be nice. I havn't actully met a kataanger who ever really said why it was so great, just saying that it was and thinking that was enough of an explanation.
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miss-silverwing In reply to tigercub684 [2008-08-30 14:37:29 +0000 UTC]
true, the two-year age difference may seem big to some. but in the avatar-verse, katara didn't grow up with those kind of grade-by-grade seperations. it would be more like a one-room schoolhouse for her. and honestly, i'd have no troubled dating someone two years younger than myself at the age i am, as long as they're mature enough to handle it. i'd almost prefer it, as the guys my age actually kind of scare me besides, i like innocence. it's...sweet.
so, there's me
it's interesting, also: boys tend to end up with older girls, girls with younger guys not necessarily applying it to kataang but y'know. it's just...interesting.
yeah, i tend to be more middle-ground to kataang, as i shipped hardcore zutara while i still had mah drabble series. i still get frustrated with some of the things a small portion of zutarians tend to go around saying, though. mostly recently, as people are saying "zutara won in fanon, that's where it counts" when so many of them were saying "omg zutara iz gonna b canonnnnn" before. and now that kataang won? it means nothing, apparently.
but, yeah. so while i like kataang better, i still really like zutara. though all my fav zutara fics, ironically, are what--two years old, at least???? lolz.
hm...that's a tough question i warn you, part of this WILL be about the canon kataang relationship, as that is part of my reason for shipping it. not BECAUSE of canon, but what's IN it.
well, part of it, of course, is the relationship they had BEFORE it delved into romance. the little moments--for example, the embrace on Appa in episode 4, and the hug at the North Pole after the battle was over--to me, at least, scream of how well they know each other and how deep their friendship really goes. time and time again, it's revealed how deep they care for each other. for example, in 'the storm'...i don't know why, but the cave scene always gets to me. and even in the third episode! katara comforts aang and brings him out of the avatar state when no one else can. i have to admit, when appa was stolen and katara just hugged him to her, as tears rolled down aang's cheeks....wow. just wow. i found it difficult NOT to like kataang, actually, once i ventured past my case of denial that katara and aang even HAD a relationship.
i ship kataang also because i find that their personalities really complement each other's. i touched on this earlier, i think. kataang to me is purity and sweetness in it's truest form. older!kataang, i have to admit, can also be pretty darn hawt i know that sort of stuff isn't normally what people are looking for in a ship, but there's passion there, too--you can see *that* from the dance in 'the headband,' over and over on aang's part, and especially in the finale kiss. i find it cute how katara gets jealous over on ji, the way they blush around each other, and especially the way aang is the one to finally get katara to let loose and have FUN. basically, he showed her what it was to live with not just work, but play, too. you need both to balance things out.
plus, i just enjoy the way they interract in the show, the fics, the vids that have been put together, and the fanart. zutara is more popular and i guess considered the hotter ship, but i can't help finding older!kataang the smexiest thing i've ever seen. (see [link] [link] [link] for reference.)
and...all that together is why i ship it so hard
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miss-silverwing In reply to tigercub684 [2008-08-31 17:49:43 +0000 UTC]
yeah, i can't help but respect people more when they have an actual REASON behind their ship, other than hating every other pairing in the fandom or just thinking the character's look cute together. you're right, forums are the worst about that kind of stuff....i've found, though, that when you ask at least some people about their deeper reasons, they're there. like the 'why do you ship kataang thread' on kf.
speaking of which...why do you ship zutara? i mean, i'm sure you have good reasons for it and everything, but i'm interested to hear them
you probably don't care, but...since i'm a perfectionist
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and this [link] is lolz. just lolz.
man i love that first picture...
my fav avatar ships are:
tokka
kataang
maiko
jetara
zutara
ty lokka
taang doesn't make the list for me cuz as i said, i only see them as brother/sister and it feels to me almost like incest. sukka cuz i detest suki and love tokka, obviously
well, thanks. i'm glad i did adult!kataang is certainly easier to like, i think, for a lot of people...and even though i don't mind 12-13 yr old aang, i have to admit it must be weird for some people. it's nice to have a true discussion with a zutarian, instead of a shipping war y'know, this is how people should do this sorta stuff ALL the time.
ah, DA...where would we be without it? ff.net, lj...all those places are coming up with so many awesome ideas for everything post-war. i'm just glad for all the art
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