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We all know that this is a kid’s show, so the first thing that I want to point out is how far a relationship will go in this “kid’s show.”

Since it is a JUST A KID’S SHOW, any kind of romantic relationship will only go as far as a KISS. And I’m definitely not saying that is a bad thing. I wanna keep it that way – clean and simple. But for the sake of this theory, I thought I’d point that out!

This doesn’t mean that the series couldn’t end with an epilogue episode, showing how the Gang ends up in the future, seeing who they marry, and how they help end the war through negotiations or a GREAT ROMANCE that helps everyone trust in the Fire Nation again (*hint*hint*). It just means that any sort of romantic relationship will only develop as far as a KISS.

Now that I’ve driven that point home, onto my theory.

We have seen several kisses throughout this show, some are cute, some are ambiguous, and some are just plain disturbing. (If you haven’t figured it out by now, Maiko is among my least favorite ships) So…let’s walk through each one and see how different the Zutara kiss could be!

First of all, let’s look at Sokka’s relationships. The kisses kinda happen the same way Kataang does only they end with different results entirely.

For example, Yue just up and kisses Sokka out of nowhere. We see Sokka close his eyes, seemingly showing that he likes it, and then what does he do? He backs out of it! But, when he does, her hand rests upon his chest, and he says, “Ok, now I’m really confused, happy, but confused.” And then Yue explains to him that she likes him. Thus, this kiss is two-sided.

The same thing happens with Suki and Sokka. The only difference is that Sokka is the first one to initiate the kiss this time. And just like the Yue kiss, Suki is now shocked and surprised. But if you watch her eyes during the first time they kiss, her eyelids begin to close near the end, showing that she enjoyed the kiss. And then Sokka kisses her again, and this time she replies by wrapping her arms around his neck and kissing him back with the same passion and desire as he. It is one of the cutest moments in Avatar that I still watch over and over! Awww…

Okay, small spazz there, moving on.

What we see displayed in both of these kisses is a mutual return of affections. They both enjoyed it, and even when surprised, they explained afterwards about their feelings or showed it with another kiss. Thus this is our example of what a two-sided kiss should look like.

But has Kataang looked like that? Has Maiko?

First of all, before answering the questions above, I have another theory I’d like to insert about Aang. Sokka is pretty much the ladies’ man in the group. He’s been with Yue and Suki romantically, and he also has two gals that have crushes on him (Ty Lee and Toph). He knows about relationships, in other words.

But what about Aang?

As far as we’ve seen, Aang has never had a girlfriend. He was raised as a monk after all. Sure, he traveled the world, made friends in high places and in low places, but has he had a girlfriend? The answer is most likely no, considering, after all, that he IS A MONK.

So, since he has never had that sort of interaction before, what sort of opinions would he form after seeing or hearing about Sokka’s romantic interests? Surely Aang saw that kiss that Sokka gave Suki, and most likely, Sokka even shared about Yue with Aang. They were kinda the only guys in the Gang, so they’ve probably shared a story or two together.

Basically, the question I am asking is: after hearing all about Sokka’s stories and seeing it happen with his own two eyes, would Aang believe that just up and kissing a girl was the way to start a relationship? After all, it worked for Sokka! Why not Aang?

This has probably been pointed out by every Zutarian who’s ever shipped Zutara, but just for the sake of clarity, I’ll point it out once more.

EVERY KATAANG KISS DIDN’T HAPPEN IN THE FINALE!!!

If the Kataang relationship was really supposed to happen, why save the climax of the relationship for a daydream? Why did they show THREE, count em, THREE kisses before the finale – one being in the trailer!!! Why not save this climactic moment for the finale? Why waste the first kiss on a dream, waste the second to an ambiguous look, and waste the third (third time’s the charm?) on Katara’s sudden pull-back? Why?

Maybe because the truth is that Kataang ISN’T the climax!

But as mentioned before about Sokka’s relationships, here we find Aang forcing himself on Katara three different times. Even in his daydream, he forced himself on her. But did the two REAL ones end up like Sokka’s relationships? No, they didn’t.

The first kiss found in the Day of Black Sun episodes ended with Katara looking away to the side in what seems to be a look of embarrassment and guilt over the fact that she doesn’t return the feelings.

The second kiss found in the trailer looks to be a reaction of surprise. But, why would she be surprised? Is it because she has forgotten about the kiss?

As Zutarian-Empire here on DA pointed out in her journal, the DOBS kiss was more of a life-or-death situational kiss, meaning that Aang was about to go to war and didn’t know if he would see Katara again, so he just kissed her FOR HIS OWN COMFORT. So what was Katara to think of this kiss? Nothing. It was an end of the world kiss, and she probably put it in the back of her mind as nothing but that.

But then in the trailer we see that she is surprised by this new kiss. Why? Because it no longer stems from a life-or-death situation. They are all alone together, and the war hasn’t started yet, so Aang can more freely express his feelings. And he does, and I believe that for the first time Katara realizes that Aang does like her and that first kiss wasn’t just because he was going to war. Hence, the surprise!

But now onto what I capitalized above – FOR HIS OWN COMFORT.

The COMFORT issue is a very important concept in the kisses of the Avatar show.

Let’s now turn to Maiko. From the very beginning, shown in the very first episode The Awakening, we see that Zuko is conflicted about returning home and he tries opening up to Mai about his doubts and his worries and just what is on his mind. And what does she do? She yawns, ignores what he says, and then walks up to him and KISSES HIM!

Why did she kiss him then? Because she didn’t want to listen to him, understand him, or reply to what he was sharing with her. But she did realize that he needed COMFORT! So, she told him not to worry and then she KISSES him. This was the first Maiko kiss that was done in COMFORT and all the kisses thereafter are done in the same manner. Don’t believe me?

Ok…the next kiss between Mai and Zuko would be in The Headband when they are together looking out at the sunset, right? It looks all romantic and sweet and they kiss each other at the same time – looks two-sided, doesn’t it? BUT if you only saw this moment, then you would think it was out of love and not comfort, but there is a moment right before this kiss where Zuko confronts his Uncle Iroh.

Since Zuko can’t talk to Mai about his conflicting feelings, he goes to his Uncle. But his Uncle won’t say a word, so Zuko leaves in even more of a frenzy than when he first got there. And when do we see him next? With Mai!

Now, Zuko had just confronted his Uncle and we could tell that he was having conflicting feelings about his betrayal, so the next person he goes to is Mai. He doesn’t start explaining his feelings to her but instead he just spends time with her, basically pushing all of his struggles to the back of his mind and taking COMFORT in her kiss.

Is this so wrong? Yes! Zuko needs to come face-to-face with his past mistakes and instead he is hiding behind a relationship that does him no good in his development!

Ok, moving on.

The next time we truly see Zuko with Mai is when they go to the beach. Again it is just a distraction for his conflicting feelings. But wait! What happens? Zuko explodes on the beach about his anger at himself because he is confused and doesn’t know the difference between right and wrong anymore.

And what does Mai do after this little rant? She doesn’t address his conflicting feelings, but all she does is tell him that she cares about him and, of course, she kisses him! Once again, a kiss of COMFORT and not of understanding.

Then one of the last times we see them together is when they are discussing fruit tarts and whatnot. But what does Zuko find out? Mai tells him about the war meeting and suddenly Zuko steps back from her and goes into his own little world of struggling thoughts. Mai is powerless to help because she has failed to understand him thus far, so she just sits beside him, wondering what is wrong.

In a scene quickly following that, we see Zuko staring out into the city, wondering about the war meeting that he wasn’t invited to. The first thing he says to Mai is that he doesn’t care about going. But from Zuko’s body language, you can tell that he does.

But does she realize this? No. And it is quite simply because she has not taken the time to get to know him, to know his past, to see how much he has changed. She has no idea about the struggles he is facing over choosing the right side.

And this is why she does not understand why Zuko turns from her touch.

He doesn’t want COMFORT in the form of a kiss anymore. He wants someone to talk to, to relate to, someone who will understand the conflicts he is facing. But he knows he cannot discuss them with Mai for she has shown that she does not care and that the only COMFORT she brings is in a kiss.

After this scene, Zuko comes out from the war meeting and he stops in front of Sozin’s picture. Mai is so proud of him, but again she is misinterpreting how he truly feels, and thus it confuses her to hear him say, “During the meeting I was the perfect Prince, the son my father wanted, but I wasn’t me.”

How could Mai ever understand this when she never took the time to understand his struggles? The truth is that she can’t relate to him, and she’ll never be able to. He tried opening up to her in the beginning, but when she refused to listen and showed that the only COMFORT she would bring was a kiss, he never mentioned it again.

And thus, every Maiko scene, every kiss between them, was for COMFORT, not for love. For how can you love someone who does not take the time to know you, to understand you, to feel your pain with you, and to see inside your heart as to who you have truly become?

And thus for Zuko, the kiss is representative of COMFORT, but it is the WRONG kind of COMFORT. He does not need a physical relationship that only pushes the real struggles to the back of his mind. No. He needs a relationship where he can openly discuss his past, his present, his future, his doubts, his worries, his fears, his sorrow, all the feelings locked inside his heart.

And when was the first time he got this sort of COMFORT that he NEEDED? From KATARA.

Ok, now that we have touched base on the COMFORT of the Maiko kisses, it is time to touch on the same concept that can be found in the Kataang kisses. And, yes, it is for the exact same reason that Aang kisses Katara and even vice versa.

First let’s look at how Katara kisses Aang. All those little pecks on the cheek were preceded by a vivid display of Aang’s want for comfort or reassurance.

The first time she kisses him on the cheek is when he presents her mother’s necklace to her. This kiss is in thanks for what he has done, yes, but it is a reassurance to Aang that he has done well. And thus the kisses follow in this way.

Katara is constantly offering a hug or a kiss as a gesture of comfort to Aang. He is always in need of this comfort because, yes, he has the world to save and thus he needs this sort of comfort in his life. And what does Katara do? She willingly provides it for him.

I will not touch on every kiss, but I ask you to look back on all of the Kataang cheek pecks, what events preceded them? Was Aang in need of comfort, of reassurance, of a simple gesture to know that he was on the right path? Every time she kisses him, it is so that Aang can be comforted, and it is never for herself.

Now onto the Daydream kiss. What can really be said about this but that this is how Aang wished it to be, this is how it would have been had she liked him back. But if you watch and understand this kiss, it is yet again another display of Aang’s want for comfort and reassurance. He talks of the war and how he needs to save the world, and then he tells her that he loves her.

So how is this a COMFORT kiss? Because not only does it show Aang’s conflicting feelings over the war, but it is also showing that he wants REASSURANCE from her that she loves him. It is for his own peace of mind, out of his own selfish desire, that he kisses her.

But she kisses him back! Yes, because Aang perceives that her COMFORT would be there yet again through this kiss, but the truth is that it wasn’t in the REAL kiss.

The DOBS kiss was a sight to see for sure. And I have to tell you, when I first saw Aang jump up and kiss her, my heart about stopped and the first thought that immediately popped into my head was, “Please have her look away, please have her look away.” And sure enough, she gave a look!

First of all, you most note that yet again this was a kiss for Aang’s reassurance and COMFORT! It was not about Katara, it was about Aang! He said, “What…what if I don’t come back?” So, Aang was worried yet again about the war, and this time he acts on his fears and tries to find COMFORT in Katara’s kiss. But it doesn’t happen as he wanted it to.

Instead, Katara looks away in embarrassment and guilt over the fact that she doesn’t return his feelings. If she had liked him, she could have kissed him back, said something, anything, or even smiled. But the fact remains that she looked away and she was indeed sad. It wasn’t because he was going off to war, it was because she didn’t feel as he did.

In other words, that physical act was not what she needed most in terms of understanding and comfort. She needed something more…but we are getting to that later on.

Next we have the new kiss and honestly it doesn’t look any better than the DOBS kiss. First of all, as mentioned above, she was surprised most likely because she had completely forgotten about the first kiss and is now realizing that Aang actually does like her in this way.

Now, it is true that we do not know the context of this kiss. But it is evident that Aang is the one who initiates it, and we all know the reasons why he does. He does it for his own REASSURANCE.

There is one interesting theory that I have to say I agree with and that is that in the play the Zutara Cave scene will be acted out and finally the Gang will learn what really went on between Zuko and Katara. As mentioned on the poster that Sokka reads, it says the writer of the play traveled to Ba Sing Se in preparation for his show. So, will the Zutara Cave be shown?

If it is, Aang will most likely confront Katara about it, she will try to explain, and then when Aang sees that she is sad and conflicted, he will do what he thinks will bring her COMFORT. He will kiss her.

The thing is that Katara has shown Aang that COMFORT is brought by a kiss or a hug. So, Aang not only has the misconstrued scenes of Sokka’s romances, but he also has seen that Katara brings COMFORT to him in the form of a kiss, so he is thinking that that is how it works. It is the simple logic of a child to connect things like this and see them as he wants to see them. But the truth is that this is not the COMFORT that Katara longs for.

So, whatever the context, it is apparent that the kiss was initiated by Aang, and we know that Aang views a kiss as bringing COMFORT.

But for Katara, her COMFORT has not come in the form of kissing Aang on the cheek or in Aang kissing her. Why? Because just like for Zuko, Aang does not understand Katara.

Are Aang and Katara best friends? Yes, they are. They share many things together, but just like Maiko when Zuko first opened up to Mai, Katara was shot down when she first opened up to Aang. Don’t believe me? Have a look at The Southern Air Temple episode when Katara first mentions her mother.

Katara starts off by explaining that the Fire Nation raided their village, but Aang tells her that SHE DOESN’T UNDERSTAND. He turns it back on her. She tries again, but once again he tells her that she doesn’t understand, and so we never see her talking about her mother with him again.

Because, the truth is that Aang is right, but it is vice versa. It isn’t Katara that will never understand, it is Aang.

And so we come full circle. Katara now views a kiss as a COMFORT for Aang; Aang views a kiss as a COMFORT for himself because Katara has given him that misconstrued view; and for Zuko, the physical act of a kiss is also representative of a COMFORT.

So, both Zuko and Katara have been given COMFORT in the form of a kiss when this is not at all what they long for in a relationship. Katara shows later on that she wants to talk about her mother but doesn’t know who to turn to. She tries to talk to Haru and Jet about it, but we know how those relationships turn out. Haru just never happens, and Jet betrays her.

But for Zuko, here she finally finds someone she can truly connect with. But, yes, just like Jet, he does betray her. But before the betrayal, the connection and understanding and COMFORT on this level is deeper than any time before because they find that they can relate to one another. They’ve gone through the same past, and it still boggles my mind that Zuko willingly opened himself up to her. And guess what? For the first time, Zuko had someone who actually listened to him!

Remember that little “What?” he gave when she said she could heal him? I do not simply believe that it was expressed only because she was offering to heal him, but I believe he also expressed this because he was surprised that she even listened to him.

Yes, this came before Maiko, but that makes it even more interesting because what is the first thing that Zuko does when with Mai? He tries to open up to her! And does it go the same way as when it did with Katara? No. And so he never brings it up again.

And Katara? What happens after his betrayal? She is angrier than ever! She goes back into the friend mode with Aang, trying to give him comfort once again, but it isn’t bringing HER comfort. Instead, when Aang runs off, we finally see Katara collapse once more (like she did in the Zutara Cave), but this time she does it with her father. But the thing to see is that from that one moment on, she never collapses in the same way again. She doesn’t open up to Aang when he comes back; she doesn’t open up to anyone about that anger. It was only to her father and Zuko that she expressed that anger and sadness.

Now we come to my favorite part! What does Hakoda give Katara as a sign of COMFORT?

A HUG!!!

And Katara has spilled her soul out in the same manner she did to Zuko. And the sign of COMFORT that she receives is a loving embrace! Could this have possibly been foreshadowing for the later Zutara hug? Who knows…but it is rather interesting to find that the real COMFORT comes in that hug and in Hakoda’s listening to Katara and understanding of her pain.

So what does all of this have to do with my Zutara Epic Kiss Theory?

Let’s see if you can connect the dots.

1) A kiss for Zuko is representative of COMFORT, but not representative of the listening and understanding of his struggles that he truly needs.
2) A kiss for Katara is also representative of COMFORT, but not representative of the listening and understanding of her pain and sorrow that she truly needs.
3) Both Mai and Aang believe that a kiss will solve the problem and will provide the COMFORT that is needed.

So…what can be concluded?

It is quite simple really.

Neither Zuko nor Katara will find COMFORT in those kisses or any kiss for that matter because the COMFORT they long for isn’t in a kiss. The COMFORT is in the listening, the relating, the understanding, the acceptance, and the forgiveness.

So, Zuko and Katara will find that COMFORT that they long for in each other but it won’t manifest itself in the physical, in other words, through a kiss. It will be there through their talks, through their “ninja” missions, through their understanding of each other, and even through that hug that was one of the first displays of Katara being COMFORTED in the way she longed for.

So what will become of the Zutara kiss?

Since COMFORT will not be found in the kiss but found through their friendship, then the simple conclusion is that the EPIC kiss we all long for will come in the form of LOVE!!!

Zuko and Katara will have found comfort through each other not through any physical act, but through the mutual understanding that comes in their friendship. And thus when they do kiss, it won’t be out of COMFORT, for they would have already found that, but it will be out of LOVE for one another, a deeper love than any other ship on the show has ever had or ever will have!

And that is the beauty of the FINALE KISS! It won’t be about COMFORT or REASSURANCE but…

L-O-V-E

And thus, fellow Zutarians, the trailer shows us the beginnings of this COMFORT between them that will later manifest into LOVE and become the EPIC Finale Kiss we have all been waiting for!
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Comments: 233

soundquirk [2012-06-25 19:06:13 +0000 UTC]

I am in total agreement. This deep analysis is so good, you're brilliant! I hope old Katara and Old Zuko meet up and confess their feelings as youths. > and then they can be like old people and slowdance :3 OH! and they can drink Zuko's tea. XD

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Life-Luvr123 [2012-04-27 22:17:05 +0000 UTC]

wow. i luv this, and i wish it had come true. I am a solid zutarian because of this!

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AVidZktjo In reply to Life-Luvr123 [2012-04-29 00:45:21 +0000 UTC]

Me too. I wish it had come true. But oh well. Zutara stills rocks anyway!

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Life-Luvr123 In reply to AVidZktjo [2012-04-29 01:08:00 +0000 UTC]

that it does

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soulmusician17 [2012-01-17 22:43:30 +0000 UTC]

Brilliant.

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mko1115 [2012-01-09 22:17:18 +0000 UTC]

I love it!!!! You're a genius!!!!!

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JosephineGranger [2012-01-09 03:06:49 +0000 UTC]

This makes so much sense!! Great job!

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Aquamarinalin [2011-07-22 02:14:47 +0000 UTC]

Soooooo......You need to get out more often. No offense. In light of this comment, I will tell you I am a kataanger, and anyway, Bryke decided that Katara and Aang end up together. C'mon. They have a SON in avatar: the legend of korra. Kataang won ALREADY. GIVE IT A REST!

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testsareboring In reply to Aquamarinalin [2012-02-04 23:57:32 +0000 UTC]

Like I always say, SO WHAT?! Who cares if they won? Quit rubbing it in our faces already. We freaking know that! But it doesn't mean we have to stop shipping Zutara. If you still like Kataang, fine. But doesn't mean that we can't stop showing interest in a ship that we like. So just go somewhere else and leave us alone. You don't have to come here and judge. If you don't like Zutara anyways, then why the heck are you here? Go somewhere else and read a Kataang story.

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xrhiax [2011-07-13 16:23:07 +0000 UTC]

I love this; it's great! Personally, I think because Mike and Brian had to choose between Kataang and Zutara, they had to chose between the two halves (extremely lopsided halves - let's call it sixty-forty) of the fanbase. They probably chose Kataang because it was the safe choice - main character gets the girl - and of course, because they knew that Zutara would survive beyond Canon. Plus, a thirteen-year-old and a fifteen-year-old is a better ending for the younger audience of the show than a fifteen-seventeen is. But you know they tried their best to hint at what they really wanted ...

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AVidZktjo In reply to xrhiax [2012-04-24 00:16:33 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, it would have been nice. But I'm over it now. Writing these theories and stuff was so much fun though! I wouldn't trade it for the world!

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EBHughsTeh1st [2010-11-26 16:00:19 +0000 UTC]

The series ended with that kiss. It was not the climax, it was the falling action and conclusion. And it said THE END right after they did.
It seems pretty straight forward from a guy who didn't even know that two fan groups were waring until a couple of months ago.
Now, I will detach myself from my love for keeping fiction like it is, and look over your theory: It's a 6 out of 10 on the bullshit meter. The feelings and desires for comfort were merely situational. You would want some assurance or a little warmth from someone if you were trapped in a cave underground unaware of your fate.
I think part of this can be attributed to you not liking "ships" (The hell kind of word is that) that are actually true in the show's story. The possibility of a desired character couple's potential is probably quite exciting (I'm guessing). But the finale was The End. The resolution. Revelation. Last act. Grand finale. It! And it ended the way I, a guy who watched the show and didn't think about how Zuko and Katara look so close in this one tiny scene, expected it to be.
By the way, you can try proving me wrong when Legend Of Korra comes out. Maybe it turns out that Zuko inexplicably broke up with Mai and married Katara and Aang's son is from another girl.
You could only hope...

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Misspineapple98 [2010-11-07 15:02:25 +0000 UTC]

seriously? Katara Kisses Aang BACK in the finale. If Mike and Bryan wanted Zutara, they would have made the show frikin Zutara. Also, all the romantic tension in the show revelves around Kataang, that's why for 3 kisses, there was alot of unsureness and insecurity, but in the end, Katara picked Aang. Also, how many times do Zuko and Katara kiss in the show? 0 times. How many times do Aang and Katara kiss? 4 times. I think thats really saying something.

And the fact that you have to look so deep down into the inner meanings of the romances in the show to come out with a hypothesis that is completely wrong is actually very pathetic. Im sorry, but the show ended Kataang, and I think Zutarians need to learn to accept that.

I was extremely upset when the show didn't end Tokka, but I learned to accept the canon pair Sukka, and learned to love it.

If you still don't believe me, then do you know who Tenzin is? I'm sure a fanatical Avatar fan such as yourself knows who Tenzin is.

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katierawr13 [2010-10-08 16:56:48 +0000 UTC]

oh. my. agni.
Can we do these equations in school instead of algebra?

lol

z+k=<3

it even looks like algebra

no i am not a lesbian, but OMFG I LOVE YOU FOR THIS

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AVidZktjo In reply to katierawr13 [2011-03-19 19:28:42 +0000 UTC]

LOL. Thanks!

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animegeek828 [2010-07-14 22:34:45 +0000 UTC]

idk, my parents first kiss was a kataang "now or never kiss" (my mom said he explained later that he thought if he didn't kiss her then he would never get to) that doesn't mean my mom didn't like the kiss. Would i exist if she didnt?

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AVidZktjo In reply to animegeek828 [2010-07-15 03:24:54 +0000 UTC]

Awww...well, sometimes Kataang is cute. I like the Kataang/Friendship romances too...but just not in ATLA.

Kat

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animegeek828 In reply to AVidZktjo [2010-07-15 14:18:42 +0000 UTC]

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serennac [2009-09-07 02:19:51 +0000 UTC]

I'm not one to argue, and I don't want to argue.

I ended up stumbling across this and my curiosity got the better of me, so I decided to read it, even though I'm a major Kataang fan.

But, coming from me as a Kataang fan--I must say, you must have put a lot of thought and effort into this, and even though Kataang won in the end, you have a very clever mind and I actually liked reading this. You pointed out lots of good facts from the show.

The only thing is--in my own personal opinion--I think of Zuko and Katara more as good friends at the end of season 3, and I'm sure Mike and Bryan thought the same when they were creating these episodes that involve the two.

Now, forgive me for my ranting, but I feel the need to share it:

First of all, yes I agree, there wasn't very much evidence that Katara had any feelings for Aang in season 1, but nor does she have feelings for Zuko, and nor did she have any feelings for him in season 2. Katara literally hated Zuko, except for in The Crossroads of Destiny for a short time, and only a couple episodes before the finale and during and after. But who could blame her? Zuko and his soldiers came and threatened her village, her family, and attacked them. The fire nation even killed her own mother. She really has every right to be angry.

In the Crossroads of Destiny, Zuko explains to her about his scar. Katara tells him that maybe he could be free of it if she uses her special water from the North pole. When she touched his scar, she was examining it first before really using it. And when she walked away and looked at him one last time, it was because she was sad that she couldn't help him, or something to that extent. She even mentioned in the Western Air Temple that she felt sorry for him and that she thought he was really hurt and confused. It wasn't something that was necessarily out of "love" or anything. Katara is naturally the kind of person that would try to help anyone at any cost who she believes needs her. It's more of a motherly act than a romantic one. And, as many have said before, Katara acts motherly towards everyone. But then it all went back to hating when Zuko totally changed his personality and turned his back on her and everyone else, and attacked her soon after.

In the episode, "The Southern Raiders," that episode seems to be more focused on Zuko trying to gain Katara's trust and friendship and clearing his name to her so that she wouldn't hate him forever.
Also in that episode, Aang didn't necessarily say that Katara "doesn't understand". He simply told her that trying to find the man who killed her mother and getting involved in revenge didn't seem like the right path, because it wouldn't accomplish anything. Aang told her that he understands that she is "feeling unbelievable rage and pain", and he understands that feeling because the fire nation attacked his people and killed them all, too, and he was left being the only one of his kind on the planet, and also when the sandbenders took Appa away from him. He never told her that Katara "didn't understand". He even told her that she should face this man, but then let her anger out and let it go. To be honest, I find the Southern Raiders to have more Kataang than Zutara. If Aang hadn't told her that revenge wasn't the right way to handle this, she would have killed the man, therefore becoming a murderer. Literally.

As for the fight with Azula in the movie finale, it just shows that Zuko cares for Katara in a friendship way. Plus, he simply stated in the beginning of the fight that he "didn't want anyone else to get hurt". What he said was an act of concern, that he didn't want to lose anyone, even if it meant sacrificing himself so that no one would get hurt. And that doesn't have to mean romance. That, right there, is something a true friend would do, too, if you think about it. Would you sacrifice your own life just to spare your best friend of all time? I don't know about you, but I would, certainly.

Aang and Katara had more development than any development that Zuko and Katara had. Mike and Bryan gave all of us hints throughout the entire series that Kataang was going to happen in the end. I can't argue with your statement on the kisses on the cheek and hugs and such. But may I also remind you that after The Fortuneteller when Katara looks up at Aang near the end, she therefore possibly realizes that Aang may be the powerful bender the fortuneteller was talking about. Also notice that after that episode, Aang receives his first kiss on the cheek from her. It might be more of a thank you kiss, but even if he didn't give her her mother's necklace, he surely would have received a kiss on the cheek from her for reasons we may not all know, but it's true.

Zuko and Katara never shared things like what Aang and Katara did. They never blushed around each other, they never shared kisses on the cheeks or anything like what Aang and Katara did. It was supposedly going to be Kataang all along (And plus it's downright adorable to me, kehehee). May I also remind you people that Katara was the first to move in for the finale kiss; it wasn't Aang who moved in first this time. In the end, their friendship blossomed into a beautiful romance.

Aside from all of my ranting, we should all keep in mind that the romance in Avatar was not the main focus. It's good to have some romance here and there to make the series more exciting, but Avatar has all sorts of other topics that make the show more interesting and enjoyable for viewers. The fighting/action, the drama, the adventure, the humor, etc. I'm totally getting this from someone's sig, but it's true. People all over the globe are screaming Kataang, or Zutara. But really, as an Avatar community, we should all be screaming AVATAR!!

Done ranting. Ja ne'!!! 83

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mko1115 In reply to serennac [2012-01-09 23:31:55 +0000 UTC]

I'm a Zutara fan, but I'm not going to yell at you because you like Kataang. I just want to discuss a few things you said.

First of all, you said that Katara is motherly towards everyone. I think she is very motherly. But those little Kataang gestures are also motherly. Katara cares about Aang, but what do you expect? He's her best friend.

Second, you are right that Aaang didn't tell Katara that she doesn't understand in The Southern Raiders. He did, however, in The Southern Air Temple. That is the episode that AVidZktjo was talking about.


That's pretty much it! You don't have to agree with me, I'm just saying what I think.

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serennac In reply to mko1115 [2012-01-10 01:24:25 +0000 UTC]

Ehehe, I had to look back at my post to remember what I said But yes, you're right, on both statements.
Since now I support Mako/Korra for the new Korra series, I can understand a little better where Zutarians are coming from.

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mko1115 In reply to serennac [2012-01-23 00:39:51 +0000 UTC]

I'm glad that you understand a little bit more where we Zutarians are coming from. And I'm glad that you're not one of those Kataangers that yells at anyone who ships Zutara!!!!

Thanks for actually listening to what I said!!!!

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serennac In reply to mko1115 [2012-01-23 00:59:45 +0000 UTC]

It's no problem at all. And it's okay. Kataangers that are like that actually annoy me, anyway. It makes us Kataangers look bad, and I'm sorry if you've run into any of those people.

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mko1115 In reply to serennac [2012-01-27 23:08:19 +0000 UTC]

I think that all ships have some people who really get on other shippers' nerves. Those people just ruin that ship's image. It isn't just Kataangers who are like that.

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serennac In reply to mko1115 [2012-01-28 01:14:30 +0000 UTC]

That is very true!

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mko1115 In reply to serennac [2012-02-05 01:21:04 +0000 UTC]

It is!!!!!!

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Fire-Orchid [2009-08-25 16:16:07 +0000 UTC]

Ha ha. Good Theory. Too bad in the actual show they don't even kiss! (But, at least they show some romantic interest that we zutarians can use against them to munipulate them in our own twisted way) But still, very good theory. Viva Zutara!

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Katara-izme [2009-03-18 18:42:15 +0000 UTC]

okay, this is like an essay, but ROCK ON! of course it would be true love, they've seen each toher at their worse, and i know from experience, that after you've fought against someone, or seen them at their worst and then you become friends again (or for the first time) you are inseperable and the best of friends. i had a major fist fight with my best friend (a boy) and after we apologized we were the closest friends. some of my other friends even thought we were going out. (eww. we're not THAT close!)

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Piggystat [2008-12-15 18:38:14 +0000 UTC]

Me thinks that the characters have their own minds!

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eugenieverner [2008-11-02 16:45:30 +0000 UTC]

Hey, Kat! your 'kiss theory' is brilliant!
You know, after reading your article, a lot changed in understanding of different lovelines in Avatar.
Moreover, finally it suddenly occured to me, why I all this time intuitively preferred zutara to kataang! Because there are no real and mutual fellings, mutual understanding and mutual LOVE in full meaning of this word! Because Katara... she is like mother to Aang))) She is always with him, she cares about him, she helps him to feel COMFORT - whatever it takes! After all, she's 2 years (or how many?) older than Aang, and Aang is still a kid, and Katara is much more innerly developed than Aang... Really, their relationships, as I guess, are not what she longs for. AND! You are a kind of genius to notice that Aang (Mai) preferred not to listen and try to understand Katara (Zuko), but to help them to think about other things. Helpfully. Sometimes, but not always.
I believe, Zuko and Katara could make an ideal loving and understanding couple (just remember their ninja mission... Only now I understand, WHY Katara forgave Zuko for everything - because he was the only one who understood her and first (!) suggested her finding out, what had happened to her mother. That was what she needed really - another sort of comfort).

I think, if they decide to create the 4th season, they just HAVE TO develop the idea of zutara.
What do you all think about this, zutarians???

P.S.:
Sorry for my possible mistakes))) English is not my native language, unfortunately...

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alrock [2008-10-14 22:18:07 +0000 UTC]

Here Here I know it doesn't happen but. Who says the story stops after the final. I love this theory, you are so right, and as a side note aang doesn't know jacksquat about relationships because ahem yah HE'S TWELVE FOR PETESAKE

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VotedMissGorgeous [2008-07-25 02:59:31 +0000 UTC]

omgosh. you're brilliant.

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RogerRoids [2008-07-20 02:13:39 +0000 UTC]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHY DID KATAANG HAVE TO HAPPEN????????????????????????????????!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!!?

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ZathressSilvermoon [2008-07-20 02:10:40 +0000 UTC]

Kataang forever! HA

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tigercub684 [2008-07-18 11:24:07 +0000 UTC]

wow, awesome theory. Also, it just occured to me that IF Zuko and Mai were to end up together and get married, they'd probably have one of those loveless marriages where they stay together out of spite, or no other alternative, not really loving each other and dispising one another behind their backs. And probablly having affairs. Just seeing the boredom they have at the beach is enough evidence of that. Sure, they may seem to have something now, but they're young, and it's still early. If they got bored after only a few months (the beach), what makes you think they wouldn't get bored after years of marriage. It's just further proof that they would've never worked.
And i just saw the new ep, and iam really looking forward to your analysis fo that. Especially the hug, which one Kataanger had the nerve to suggest that it was simply a mutual apology, which i'm ashamed to say almost runied my faith in zutara. (i know, i'm weak, forgive me)I hate all this uncertinty. i just want to know who it ends. Gah! luckily, this essay has me more convinved that ever in Zutara. Zutata FTW!

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miss-silverwing In reply to tigercub684 [2008-08-24 02:48:54 +0000 UTC]

Lolz, "had the nerve to suggest it was a mutual apology?" I can't imagine Maiko fans are too happy with what your saying, either But I guess the shipping wars are over now, anyway (or should be).

...Btw, it's probably really weird for me to be commenting on something three months old--sorry 'bout that. It's a long story...heh heh....

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tigercub684 In reply to miss-silverwing [2008-08-24 10:28:21 +0000 UTC]

yeah, i still believe that bit about maiko. one of the poorest developed relationships i've ever seen, and that includes kataang. *shakes head* oh well. At least we've still got fanfiction, which in a way is better, cos personally, i reckon some of those 13-20 yr old fangirls can write more entertaining avatar that Bryke themselves. lol.
thats ok, it's not weird. it's good to know people are still interested in these old zutara arguments.

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miss-silverwing In reply to tigercub684 [2008-08-24 14:28:19 +0000 UTC]

Really? I think Maiko was actually very well developed. It's interesting how, in the beginning, it started out seeming like a shallower relationship than it was...but they were both in deeper than they expected. Mai seems to really care about him--to love him, as she said--and although Zuko might not be at the "love" stage yet, you can tell he really likes her, too. But I don't know...it's possible it could fall through at some point, though they've broken up twice and stayed together, so it's unlikely.

Kataang was there from the first episode...their relationship started as friendship and turned into something more. Though it would have been nice to have more romantic development on Katara's part. The EIP thing just kinda messed things up for me, but I guess she didn't want him distracted from the war.

Btw, did you know--it's proved from storyboard sketches--that Katara was supposed to be smiling as she watched Aang fly away after the kiss in DoBS? I guess one of the animators was picking sides in the ship war Sorry, just found that interesting.

Zutara would have had to go through a ton of development though. I can't see how it would have seemed believable unless Zuko had joined the Gaang much earlier in the season, or if they made a season 4. They're good friends, true, but they'd have had to make that relationship deeper, feelings develop, and then turn into something real. Besides, Bryke honestly never saw Zutara as a possibility (they've said it). It was Kataang from the beginning for them, so I don't think anyone can really blame them for seeing what they did.

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tigercub684 In reply to miss-silverwing [2008-08-25 13:09:52 +0000 UTC]

well, perhaps i'm a bit biased since i'm a zutarian. And maybe i was hoping there would be a decent and interesting relationship here, but i guess it was a bit much to hope for from a kids show. Kids are young, and i suppose they do thrive on predictability.

there were a lot of things in the story board that didn't make the show. like the wereabouts of zukos mother. thats one detail i'm rather annoyed about. but i'm sure someone had a good reason for axing it. just like all editorial decisions on the story board.

If bryke were never going to go zutarian, thats cool, but it was just mean of them to leave so many hints in the show. and they're not idiots, they must of known what certain scenes would've been able to be interpereted as. Sure the CoD was probably merely a plot point for the development of their friendship, but how can anyone not see even the tiniest romantic connotations? they somehow lead on the majority of their fan base and are wondering why people are annoyed? i'm not saying Bryke aren't good writers, but perhaps they should consider the consequenses of their actions alittle more. I know zutarians weren't just making something out of nothing. there was something there, and Bryke fed that, even if it was small it was still something.

...but i'm all over that now (or trying to be at least). i've found better shows and better romances, and can now simply look back at Avatar as a sophysticated kids show and a great story (generally) with wonderful homour and memeorable characters.

But now my world is full of Death Note and Full Metal Alchemist. My zutara fanfiction is really all that remains. And at the end of the day, Avatar has at least imspired me to write some great stories. I can be thankful for Bryke for that at least.

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miss-silverwing In reply to tigercub684 [2008-08-25 20:31:20 +0000 UTC]

i used to be hardcore zutarian (i wrote a drabble series, fire and ice: zutara themed drabbles) and a kataang amv on youtube first converted me to kataang. but since it would have been hypocritical to hate zutara when i'd shipped it so passionately, i am tolerate of pretty much all ships with the exception of taang and naruhina (the first seems like incest to me and the second i just despise).

i liked kataang because it wasn't something that popped out of nowhere, maybe it was predictable but it was steady and we were able to see a steady stream of interraction and their relationship as a whole. i cried during the kiss, but because i found it to be so beautiful...they've been through so much, and i truly do believe that aang and katara are each other's perfect match.

in the beginning, yes, i believe it was something out of nothing. true, there was yin/yang symbolism there, and i suppose something could be concluded from that, but "the waterbending scroll" is the first sign i've see of anything remotely zutara. the pairing was based on too people that had hardly interracted outside of conflict. now, CoD, i can see how that might have been turned into something a bit more, but when you judge it against the kataang interraction it hardly comes to much.

bryke might have fed zutara a LITTLE, but they fed kataang so much more it probably didn't even occur to them what they were doing. kataang was the plan from the start, as they've said, and i sincerely believe that they never expected zutara to become what it did. they put in the relationship type that they liked, and they expected others to like it, too. but you can see it in naruto, with sasusaku's popularity vs. narusaku's popularity: ships like zutara just seem to be more popular...

death note and fma, now there are two fandoms where the ships are hardly disputable onesided misaXraito and edXwinry, am i correct? myself, i like ichiruki (from bleach) and narusaku (from naruto).

avatar was what prompted me to first write fanfictions, and i'm glad they gave us so much to work with, mostly concerning my otp, tokka. to this they put in toph's crush on a whim

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tigercub684 In reply to miss-silverwing [2008-08-26 12:18:11 +0000 UTC]

hey, i've read that drabble series. on ff.net, right? great stuff.
you don't like Taang?..you probably don't wanna read my latest avatar fic then. but i only really ship taang alongside zutara, cos i'd hate for anyone to be alone, and i hate it even more when people set up Aang and Toph with random side characters or OCs (Especially sues).

I dunno about kataang being perfect, but i've been arguing over shipping for months, and to be honest, i'm kinda sick of it. I like my ships, you like yours. Not that i think you're trying to argue, but just so you know, i'm not trying to either.
At the end of the day, it's probably esier for all fangirls (and fanboys, if there are any) to just live and let live. There's nothing anyone can do to change the cannon shipping so it's pretty much redundant.

another scene where Bryke fed zutara, the Azula lightning scene in the finale. i mean, come on, how many times in other shows and movies do you see the hero jump infront of something dangerous to save his leaving lady? it's a but cliche, really, but the point here is that, that scene is seldom used for a couple who are "Just friends". It's things like that, that have annoyed some zutarians (admittedly me included), where Bryke left these hints, here and there, and then dumped it all in the end in favor of Kataang. But the main thing i didn't like was Maiko. but thats kinda self explanatory, you know, zutarian and all.

yeah, sometimes it's the fandoms where only crack-pairing authors can try to argue shipping, but they are usually crushed quickly by the overwhelming cannon shippers. Althouth i know there are probably plenty OC shippers (and who can blame them? Ed and Light are HOT, and L isn't too bad either. just a bit...odd. but i could never resist a smart guy. And at least we'd share a love of cupcakes. lol)

my friends keep telling my check out Bleach, but i havn't done so yet. i do plan to, seriously, when i have more time. It sounds great. Same goes for Naruto ('ve seen a few american dubbed eps, but my friends tell me the japanese ones are much better)

Toph, she's a great character. One of my fav moments in the finale was when she jumped onto Zuko's arm and was like "What? it's my turn for a life changing journey with him" (or something like that) lol. Classic moment.

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miss-silverwing In reply to tigercub684 [2008-08-26 20:45:43 +0000 UTC]

arrgh, third reply! i missed a paragraph of your comment, one i wanted to reply to...so...sorry hope it's not trouble for you.

the azula lightning scene was feeding people as well, true, but that's not to say aang hasn't saved katara's life as well. they did make it very dramatic though...as i said, with all the kataang evidence and foreshadowing out there it doesn't really come up to much, but it's still something.

really? zutara hints? i never saw any, not really. the farthest you could probably go up until the season two finale is all the yin/yang stuff they talked about. development seems to matter more to bryke than symbolism, anyway, though yin/yang is certainly in zutara's favor. kataang...i guess that can be yin/yang, too, now that i think of it, just in different ways....

i didn't like maiko at first, and i can see why many zutarians don't, but it really seems like there's a lot of hate out there for mai's character as well. what's wrong with mai...? ah, i don't know, it just seems like they blame her for liking zuko and for maiko becoming canon in the end. i disliked song a lot more, but...it might be the maiko shipper and mai fan in me saying this, but it just seems like mai gets the brunt of it

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tigercub684 In reply to miss-silverwing [2008-08-27 11:53:55 +0000 UTC]

three replies? nah, thats fine. could happen to anyone.

mai is fine in her own right. I think it's the whole Maiko thing in general that bugs me. Mai personally is great. i love her style. black is so my colour lol.

i get that there was heaps of symbolism, but what was the point of the symbolism? and Kataang isn't ying/yang at all, really. i mean, other than them being of the opposite sex. Katara and Aang are pretty alike really. Water and Air are similar elements (which was why aang learnt water really fast as opposed to fire and earth, which he found difficult), aang and Katara are both naturally nice and caring people, both happy, calm, centered and mostly down-to-earth. It's not like the contrasts with Zuko, Toph or even Jet. I really doubt any ying/yang symbolism could be interperated as kataang forshadowing.

I think that maybe Toph was sticking with Zuko cos she felt a connection, since she was friends with Iroh. And she and Zuko have similar temperements when you think about it, both quick to retaliate. And perhaps your right, but maybe it was more of everyone else was kinda of coupling off (maybe she could sense something between aang and katara) and then sokka was with suki, and poor toph felt left out and decided to stick with the only other person left.
or maybe Bryke just thought it would be funny. either way. lol

yeah, i guess any show with several possible pairings is gonna spark arguments. I guess i was just more aware of it with avatar cos i actully looked it up on the internet. There have probably been shipping wars for years and i never knew until now. amazing.

lol, thats ok. I know many people are still alittle sore after avatar. Everyone needs somekind of output. heck, even i'm still a bit annoyed, and how can i not be? being a zutarian was so much a part of me for at least the past year (since i discovered shipping), and to be cut off, just like that. Being left a bit sore is be expected, really.

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miss-silverwing In reply to tigercub684 [2008-08-27 21:37:12 +0000 UTC]

i liked maiko, you don't, so i guess...we'll just leave it there lolz. it's nice to know you don't hate mai, though. mai needs more luff.

well, the symbolism you're speaking of basically took place only in the season 1 finale, and never really continued after that--unless you're talking about aang learning earthbending and his airbending block, though that can't really be aplied to water/fire.

if you ask me, kataang is more yin yang--in CHARACTER, at least--than zutara. katara is headstrong, focused, and has a bit of a temper. aang is much, much more yeilding, easily distracted, and easygoing when it comes to most things--he doesn't get angry often. they are compassionate and loyal. so i guess they share basic traits, but differ deeper down.

on the other hand, zuko and katara are both headstrong, can often be focused intense when pursuing a goal, as well as angering, well, not easily, but quicker than, say, aang or sokka, i think. they're passionate about their elements and are hardly ever willing to give up. saying this, i think "opposites attract" was always poor reasoning for zutara...i'd say it's better to be similar to the person you're involved with. but i also think it's not good for two headstrong people to become a couple, either. this i know from experience. then again, katara could calm zuko down when he becomes angry, and cheer him up as well. both of these she does for aang, and could do for zuko, too. (i'm starting to sound pro-zutara, aren't i? ah well )

but...in your defense, the creators DID focus on water/fire and earth/air more than anything else. the closest they came to opposites attract type romance was oma and shu, though, and they were both earthbenders.

you're right, i made it seem like she was only sticking to zuko cos of sokka. those are all great reasons, and partly why i used to ship them so hard...lolz, it WAS funny though i have to admit, i cringed at the thought of toph having a crush on zuko. mostly because tokka is forever my otp.

yes, shipping wars have been going on for quite a while now. they're actually very common, but i have to say much fiercer in the atla fandom.

i can understand that, i know that I'LL be sore if sasusaku wins over narusaku. what i couldn't stand would be if naruhina were to prevail now that would just be....ugh. awful. i hate that ship SO MUCH.

...and now i think i understand a bit of what zutarians feel half the time.

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tigercub684 In reply to miss-silverwing [2008-08-28 11:58:55 +0000 UTC]

hmm, i guess you're right about the ying-yang thing. Perhaps it can be applied to both ships. I guess it just seemed like a whole lot of contradictions really. One moment the focus is all "fire/water" and "earth/air" and then next their comparing things on a more personality/character level. I imagine i wasn't the only person to go "wtf?" .BUt if thats the way Bryke wanted to play it *shruggs* so be it.

It's funny how personal these shipping wars can become. You almost feel like it's a personal attack when someone disses your ship. Well, thats kinda how i felt. lol. powerful stuff. I guess it's the sign of the true fan; becoming so passionate about it that you feel the show is a part of you, and you ship, your relationship.

glad to help bridge the understanding gap between shippers. See, Zutarians aren't just the desperatly melodramatic romantics seeking personal satisfaction at seeing a mysterious and passionate teen/young adult relationship in cartoon/anime form. Although i'm sure that is true for at least some part of the motivation (admittedly, me included) but for all teen/young adult character shippers among all shows too. There should reall by a word to describe all that. or maybe one already exists: fangirl. lol

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miss-silverwing In reply to tigercub684 [2008-08-28 20:12:17 +0000 UTC]

yeah, but like i said, bryke never really focused on the "romantic" aspect of yin/yang, either. i don't think that's what they were thinking of, just more the concept of yin/yang and that opposites can be found everywhere in nature, often in balance. though the 'you rise with the moon, i rise with the sun' thing was rather hintful with the tui/la stuff going on at the same time. and i suppose balance DEFINETELY helps with the whole shipping thing, lolz. so maybe they DID mean it like that, who knows, they just probably didn't think zutara would be pulled out of it (though it is VERY easy to do so).

that's how i feel, too, especially with kataang and narusaku. more kataang than anything else, since i've never seen narusaku bashed firsthand--though i'm sure it happens. but neither ship is really winning right now (though i'm sure many would disagree, narusaku currently seems to have the better chance) so it seems all the shippers are stuck together making fun of kishimoto's withering plotlines.

i'm understanding that a bit better now, though i do find it hard to comprehend many zutarian's and their dislike for kataang and maiko--probably because i love them so much. but then again, i'm sure a naruhina shipper would say the same for me, and i can't help hating the pairing--it just naturally repels me; i just don't like the shy girl/loud girl type. AT ALL.

so i guess if shippers tried to understand each other, we'd all get along a hell of a lot better.

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tigercub684 In reply to miss-silverwing [2008-08-30 02:16:23 +0000 UTC]

yeah, you're right about that. most of the shipping war seems to stem from not understanding each other, or not willing to understand. we are just so passionate about our ship that we can't possibly comprehend why on earth someone would like the other. thats self-centeredness for you. lol.
but i'm sure there are some people out there who try and take the middle ground and support both. i know i used to, back in the early days. and then i just got so facinated with the idea of Zutara, and Zuko especially, that i started to see Kataang as annoying and childish in the face of hot, mature and potentially awesomely realistic Zutara. i guess thats partly cos Zuko's around my age and i was much more comfortable having a cartoon-crush on him and wanting him to get the perfect girl (i.e. Katara) than i was with Aang. i mean, he's still just a kid. It seems a bit wrong for a 13-yr-old to have that kind of relationship (epsiecially on a kids show). Thats why i'm glad Bryke had enough sense never to take things further than a kiss.
But i guess in the end, for me, it all really comes down to age and my own preferance. i would personally never have dated someone 2 years younger than me when i was 14 (that would make it the equivalent of my dating one of my youger brother's friends) (eww), although now that i'm 17, dating someone with a 2 yr age gap isn't so much an issue, cos it would make them about 15, and while i still probably wouldn't go there, i can see that it can be a different matter for guys to date younger. (ie, one of the guy in my year at school (about 18) is dating one of this friends' younger sister (who i think it about 16-17) so, i'm more used to seeing that kind of relationship). I don't really know of many real-life relationshps where the girl is older. And thats probably an influence on my preferance too.
To me, the guy should be older, even if it's just by a few months. or he should at least look older.
And all that is why in my mind, Zutara is prefect. nothing will ever really mess with that, i just can't be convinced of Kataang. And as for Maiko? well as much as i love Mai as a character, i do like Katara more. I don't really hate any characters in avatar. thats why in my fanfic, i make sure everyone has someone to go to when i split up the cannon couples. Katara has Zuko (obviously)
Aang has Toph (please don't pelt my with rotten fruit, i'm actully rather fond of this ship)
and Mai has some hot OC fire-nation general who she was romantically involved with before she and Zuko split up. Zuko didn't mind. He could sense he and Mai were getting bored with each other and the were only staying together for the sake of appearances.
i know it's kind of cheesy or whatever you wanna call it, but i hate to create heart-break, even among fictional characters. lol.
and yeah, thats most of my reasoning for liking Zutara. i know it's not really based in cannon evidence, but it's not a cannon relationship, so i don't really think it matters. The only real cannon evidence i can use to support Zutara would be the awesomely close friendship they have at the end of it all. I know it real life it's a different story, but in books and tv shows, it seems that most girl/guy relationshps end up becoming something more, unless one of them is homosexual or something. an exaggeration yes, but friend-bf/gf is one of those typical plot lines you see used again and again. And as a tv show, it seems plausable that the same could happen to Zutara if Bryke weren't so Kataang.

but Kataang is good, i suppose. i can accept it. but i wouldn't ask me to say what i "like" about it or anything, cos the answer to that wouldn't really have much content. But at least i can respect that people have their own preferances and not bash them like some over-enthusiastic zutarians may have.

just out of curiosity, what is it that you like about Kataang? i've always wondered. and something more than "because it's cannon" or "because they're perfect" and other stock answers like that would be nice. I havn't actully met a kataanger who ever really said why it was so great, just saying that it was and thinking that was enough of an explanation.

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miss-silverwing In reply to tigercub684 [2008-08-30 14:37:29 +0000 UTC]

true, the two-year age difference may seem big to some. but in the avatar-verse, katara didn't grow up with those kind of grade-by-grade seperations. it would be more like a one-room schoolhouse for her. and honestly, i'd have no troubled dating someone two years younger than myself at the age i am, as long as they're mature enough to handle it. i'd almost prefer it, as the guys my age actually kind of scare me besides, i like innocence. it's...sweet.

so, there's me

it's interesting, also: boys tend to end up with older girls, girls with younger guys not necessarily applying it to kataang but y'know. it's just...interesting.

yeah, i tend to be more middle-ground to kataang, as i shipped hardcore zutara while i still had mah drabble series. i still get frustrated with some of the things a small portion of zutarians tend to go around saying, though. mostly recently, as people are saying "zutara won in fanon, that's where it counts" when so many of them were saying "omg zutara iz gonna b canonnnnn" before. and now that kataang won? it means nothing, apparently.

but, yeah. so while i like kataang better, i still really like zutara. though all my fav zutara fics, ironically, are what--two years old, at least???? lolz.


hm...that's a tough question i warn you, part of this WILL be about the canon kataang relationship, as that is part of my reason for shipping it. not BECAUSE of canon, but what's IN it.

well, part of it, of course, is the relationship they had BEFORE it delved into romance. the little moments--for example, the embrace on Appa in episode 4, and the hug at the North Pole after the battle was over--to me, at least, scream of how well they know each other and how deep their friendship really goes. time and time again, it's revealed how deep they care for each other. for example, in 'the storm'...i don't know why, but the cave scene always gets to me. and even in the third episode! katara comforts aang and brings him out of the avatar state when no one else can. i have to admit, when appa was stolen and katara just hugged him to her, as tears rolled down aang's cheeks....wow. just wow. i found it difficult NOT to like kataang, actually, once i ventured past my case of denial that katara and aang even HAD a relationship.

i ship kataang also because i find that their personalities really complement each other's. i touched on this earlier, i think. kataang to me is purity and sweetness in it's truest form. older!kataang, i have to admit, can also be pretty darn hawt i know that sort of stuff isn't normally what people are looking for in a ship, but there's passion there, too--you can see *that* from the dance in 'the headband,' over and over on aang's part, and especially in the finale kiss. i find it cute how katara gets jealous over on ji, the way they blush around each other, and especially the way aang is the one to finally get katara to let loose and have FUN. basically, he showed her what it was to live with not just work, but play, too. you need both to balance things out.

plus, i just enjoy the way they interract in the show, the fics, the vids that have been put together, and the fanart. zutara is more popular and i guess considered the hotter ship, but i can't help finding older!kataang the smexiest thing i've ever seen. (see [link] [link] [link] for reference.)

and...all that together is why i ship it so hard

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tigercub684 In reply to miss-silverwing [2008-08-31 09:48:08 +0000 UTC]

cool, good points. it's nice to finally see some rational points for why people like kataang. not saying i agree with them all, but i don't really need to, you know, since i'm zutarian. but i like that they aren't all "because they look perfect together" and "just because and zutara is crap". you'd be surprised how many times i've come across people saying that in the forums. it's rather annoying.

only one of those links worked. oh well. the other one (Come Fly With Me) was awesome. i can totally see your point. i would've been way more comfortable with kataang if they were all a few years older! adult Kataang is awesome (and although i'll never give up my zutara i say adult kataang is now one of my new fav ships. )
just to clarify, my fav avatar ships list in order is:
Zutara
Sukka
Adult Kataang
Taang

Maiko and Tokka don't make the list since they're not favs, but i still aknowlege them as ships and not crack pairings. I just doubt i would write anything with maiko or tokka. not that it really matters. i know there's tons of other writers out there who do

well, i'd have to say congrats to you. you've actully pursuaded me that kataang is not that bad and made at least a form of kataang my second fav ship (sukka doesn't really count for this sake cos it doesn't involve katara). thats quite an achievement. still not to keen on the 12-13 yr old aang in kataang, but i'm def more happy with an 17+ aang Kataang. thats probably cos his young age was such an issue for me before.
thank god for fan art; it's trully stepped in where the show left off, for all ships zutara and adult kataang. gotta love DA

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miss-silverwing In reply to tigercub684 [2008-08-31 17:49:43 +0000 UTC]

yeah, i can't help but respect people more when they have an actual REASON behind their ship, other than hating every other pairing in the fandom or just thinking the character's look cute together. you're right, forums are the worst about that kind of stuff....i've found, though, that when you ask at least some people about their deeper reasons, they're there. like the 'why do you ship kataang thread' on kf.

speaking of which...why do you ship zutara? i mean, i'm sure you have good reasons for it and everything, but i'm interested to hear them

you probably don't care, but...since i'm a perfectionist

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and this [link] is lolz. just lolz.

man i love that first picture...

my fav avatar ships are:

tokka
kataang
maiko
jetara
zutara
ty lokka

taang doesn't make the list for me cuz as i said, i only see them as brother/sister and it feels to me almost like incest. sukka cuz i detest suki and love tokka, obviously

well, thanks. i'm glad i did adult!kataang is certainly easier to like, i think, for a lot of people...and even though i don't mind 12-13 yr old aang, i have to admit it must be weird for some people. it's nice to have a true discussion with a zutarian, instead of a shipping war y'know, this is how people should do this sorta stuff ALL the time.

ah, DA...where would we be without it? ff.net, lj...all those places are coming up with so many awesome ideas for everything post-war. i'm just glad for all the art

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