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Nowhere in the UK, Austria, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany and France Turks are not a majority.
In southern Bulgaria, the only Muslims are the Pomaks (Bulgarian Muslims), they are Thracians, not Turks.
Gagauzers only speak Turkic, but they are not Turks. The Gagauz are Bulgarians speaking Turkic language. Kosovo's majority are Albanians and Serbs. In Northeast Iraq and Northwest Iran and Southeast Turkey, the majority are Assyrians, Armenians, and Kurds. The Aigi if you know are Caucasian people, not Turkic. Chuvash is Ural people speaking a Turkic language.
In the Burgas District the Turks are under 3,000.There are not Mongol peoples in Afghanistan.
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Ever been in Kreuzberg, Germany? There are even Turkish banks because of the Turkish majority.
About UK, Austria, Netherlands, Switzerlands, France, I only know that there are a large number of turks. But majority? I don't know.
You are right about Kosovo, it's an Albanian majority.
The Gagavuz and Çuvaş people are Turkic both in language and culture so yes, they are a Turkic people.
In Northern Iraq yes, there is a Kurdish majority, however, cities like Kerkük, Musul, Erbil, Tuzhurmatu, Telafer etc. are Turkmen cities that are occupied by either Arab or Kurdish forces.
In Northwestern parts of Syria even there are Turkmen majorities.
In Northwest Iran the Azeri people make up the the majority, the Kurdish people are a minority. In Southeast Turkey kurds are only a majority in Mardin, Batman, Bitlis, Şiirt, Şırnak, Hakkari, Van and Ağrı.
Assyrians and Armenians are such a small minority in general, even in Iraq, Syria, Turkey and Iran, they are only a majority in villages.
In the Caucasus Mountains the majority are Circassians, the Çerkes, Adıge, Kabardey and Abkhaz people, who are not Turkic, but there is a Karaçay-Balkar minority in those areas.
In Dağıstan, the majority is Avar people, however there are some regions within Dağıstan with a Turkic majority, Nogay and Kumuk people.
I'm not as well read on Afghanistan and Bulgaria but I know there are areas in the Bulgarian Tracian region, near the border of Turkey, that have a Turkish majority and in Afghanistan there is a region with a Turkic, not Mongolic, majority.
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Its a map that reprezent Turkics. In Kosovo there is a great minority of Turks.
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Kosovo is not an Albanian minority, Kosovo is Albanian. But on this map its reprezent Turkic minorities, and there are too much Turks in Kosovo and Albania (globaly, in the Balkan). But that not mean Kosovo are Turks. Turks in Kosovo are proud to be Kosovo.
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I think you should have also included Uralics. They used to control a large are before they were defeated in a war by Slavs. There has also been smaller Uralic kingdoms (Kvenland for example).
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The Uzbek Turkish and Turkey Turkish is like American English the same as Australian English
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While I have never heard Uzbek nor can understand any Turkic language, comparing examples of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in these two languages makes it seem that they're quite a bit more different from each other than US and AU English. For starters, they come from two different branches of the same family. I'd say it looks more like Swedish and Norwegian or German and Dutch, fairly different but similar enough to be mutually intelligible.
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But the origins of Uzbek and Kazakh are the same that Turkey Turkish. Just that, with the years of seperation they have something different. Uzbek and Kazakh are with Russia but Turkey is with USA you know. Is political. But etnicity are even.
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As I said, just like the Scandinavians. The Norwegians, Danes and Swedes are very similar culturally and their ethnic makeup is almost the same, they're still different. They speak very similar languages, but different. They're different, but closely related.
To prove my point on the language bit though:
Turkish:
"Bütün insanlar hür, haysiyet ve haklar bakımından eşit doğarlar. Akıl ve vicdana sahiptirler ve birbirlerine karşı kardeşlik zihniyeti ile hareket etmelidirler."
Uzbek:
"Barcha odamlar erkin, qadr-qimmat va huquqlarda tang bo'lib tug'iladilar. Ular aql va vijdon sohibidirlar va bir-birlariga birodarlarcha muomala qilishlari zarur."
Seeing these texts I wouldn't be able to say that the languages are related as there are, aside from the minute differences, several words that differ considerably from they equivalents. I can for example see that Uzbek "bir-birlariga" corresponds and is almost identical to Turkis "birbirlerine", while at the same time find no equivalent for Uzbek "muomala" in the other text.
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There are many version in modern Turkish... look, muomala in Turkey Turkish is equivalent of muamele.
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Ah, I guess you're right. I'll probably get a better picture of it once I start learning Turkish.
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Turkish:
"Bütün insanlar hür, haysiyet ve haklar bakımından eşit doğarlar. Akıl ve vicdana sahiptirler ve birbirlerine karşı kardeşlik zihniyeti ile hareket etmelidirler."
Uzbek:
"Barcha odamlar erkin, qadr-qimmat va huquqlarda tang bo'lib tug'iladilar. Ular aql va vijdon sohibidirlar va bir-birlariga birodarlarcha muomala qilishlari zarur."
odamlar = adamlar (the mens, the humanity. In modern Turkish adamlar and insanlar are separated, but not in Uzbek).
huquqlarda = hukuklarda (hukuk mean the justice, and "hak" mean the right of the human. Also we have the same word).
tug'iladilar = dogudular (its the same word)
Ular = Onlar (In modern Turkish, we don't need to precise "Onlar" it's like the American English some word isn't used).
aql = akil (same word).
va = ve (mean "and", also same word).
vijdon = vicdan (same word).
sohibidirlar = sahiptirler (same word again).
bir-birlariga = birbirlerine (same word still).
birodarlarcha = biraderce (in modern Turkish still, we can use two word, birader or kardes).
muomala = muamele (hareket mean muamele too).
qilishlari zarur = kilmalidir (kilmak and etmek mean same thing).
You can see now Uzbek and Turkish are same language.
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Ah, thanks! This was really helpful!
I'd still have to reserve myself against the opinion that it's the same language, there's a reason linguistics divide the Turkic languages (and linguistics usually does so outside of political boundaries).
We have the same situation between Swedish and Danish, that almost every word we Swedes have has an almost exact equivalent in Danish. Difference is we don't use it as much. Swedish has much more loanwords from German, Low German, French and English than Danish as, while Danish has also retained many words in everyday speech than in Swedish are considered archaic or obsolete. If you compare the UDHR for Swedish and Danish, they look more like dialects of one another than separate languages, yet everyone agrees that they're separate.
Or perhaps I should provide an example you may happen to associate with better. I see you live in France, eh? Now, if we compare French to the minority languages in and surrounding it like Occitan, Norman and Walloon, we'll see that the differences are minute and French and Normans will understand each other without greater trouble, yet they're still classified as separate languages. Mutual intelligibility doesn't mean same language, see where I'm getting at?
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Occitan and French (Gallic) are different. The Gauls and the Walloons are the same "race" but rather this example.
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The blue on the flag of Kazakhstan represent the Turk ethnicity. The blue on the UZbek flag too.
Uzbek, Kazakh, Kyrgyz are a Kipchak ethnicity and Kipchak is a Turkic people.
Azeri, Turkish, Cypriot, Turkmens are a Oghuz ethnicity and Oghuz is a Turkic people.
They speak turkish and we can read Uzbek and Kazakh and understand it.
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oh okay 
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Now you know, they are Turkic-Altaic
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