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I've heard people say that the Founding Fathers were not Christians. I just want to say that statement is false and incorrect. The Founding Fathers were God fearing men. They worship God and went to church, they study the Bible. In fact I believe that both the Declaration of Independence and the U.S Constitution were inspired from God. And that is why I consider the Founding Fathers Christians.Related content
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I mean race matter more than religion
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Well actually Thomas Jefferson wasn't technically a Christian. He was baptized as a Christian but he actually held misothiest/agnostic belief IIRC.
But yeah they were generally Christians, that's obvious.
Not that it means anything since they separated Church and State.
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I wonder who brought up the whole idea of them not being Christian in the first place? 🤔
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Good point, as many were Christian, as shown by many quotes and writings, as well as the Constitution and Jefferson's letters, the same for George Washington~
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Actually Mybloodypit America was founded by Christians. You probably don't care for this information but, a lot of the pilgrims were people who wanted religious freedom. George Washington was a very Christian man. In fact after losing a battle, George Washington went off one night into the woods and he knelt down and prayed to God. Thomas Jefferson wouldn't let any atheists in his president cabinet because they have to swear an oath on the bible. If the Founding Fathers were not Christians then tell me, why is it that both the Constitution and the Bill of Rights both have the name God in them?
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Sorry for a late response. The founders ere deist.
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Yo' ass needs to stop listening to that propaganda!
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Oh, you mean stop listening to CNN and other crap news station like that? Already do.
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Some were undoubtedly Christian. But most were Deists, and in the case of Thomas Jefferson and perhaps even Benjamin Franklin, they were atheists.
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Both these statements are false.
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Do you know what a Jefferson Bible is?
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Yes, which was not wrote by Thomas Jefferson, nor did he approve.
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So all the documents in his handwriting, including letters to John Adams regarding "The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth", which is colloquially known as the "Jefferson Bible" are..forgeries?
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Likely, as he himself is quoted as saying "I am a Christian; in the way Jesus wished it to be."
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Yes. But you have to understand, Jefferson thought the "Divine Jesus" bit was added after the fact. Jefferson believed Jesus to be a mortal man, who had divinity foisted upon him after his execution. He found Christian(as in, directly from Jesus of Nazareth) morals to be a perfectly fine thing, but the superstition, divinity and such that he believed was added to it, was meaningless.
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Ah, well, I have information to the contrary, but, oh well~
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Care to cite these sources?
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Hens the motto America holds today, "One Nation Under god".
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But it never stated which God...
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But it did show representation of the Christian faith in the United States Constitution.
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That's the thing I like to point out is the founder's are much beloved. So beloved that everyone thinks they are on their side. The Socialist thinks they were revolutionaries, the liberal thinks them liberal, the conservative a conservative. Basically they they have been so ingrained in the culture that they have become idolized and loved by the people that almost no American would actually try to openly go against what they stood for. Basically its the same thing here. Though one could make the case for Christianity in the Constitution the same way with a plethora of other ideals. BTW what I meant was the reason they got god in the pledge and on the money is that the excuse is they never said which god it was. It could be yaweh, allah, or Shiva the destroyer.
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'The Constitution is made for a MORAL and RELIGOUS people. It is wholly INADEQUITE to the government of any other.' - John Adams.
And the very first Right that is given by the Bill of Rights is Religion.
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That was an age when women were accused of witchcraft, homosexuality was a crime, abortion was forbidden, blasphemy and treason was hanged and quartered.
You can leave out the christian part of it.
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The witch part took place way before this event. The witch idea was made by Puritans
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Hmmmm
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any Church that I know of. My own mind is my own Church.--- Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]
"Priests and conjurors are of the same trade."--- Thomas Paine
"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistant that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel."--- Thomas Paine Age of Reason
"My parents had early given me religious impressions, and brought me through my childhood piously in the Dissenting way. But I was scarce fifteen, when, after doubting by turns several points as I found them disputed in the different books I read, I began to doubt of the Revelation itself. Some books against Deism fell into my hands; they were said to be the substance of the sermons which had been preached at Boyle’s Lectures. It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them. For the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to be much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist."--- Benjamin Franklin from his Autobiography
"It will be said, perhaps, that God permits evil Actions to be done, for wise Ends and Purposes. But this Objection destroys itself; for whatever an infinitely good God hath wise Ends in suffering to be, must be good, is thereby made good, and cannot be otherwise." Benjamin Franklin The Writings of Benjamin Franklin: Boston and London, 1722 – 1726 — A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain.
"Say nothing of my religion. It is known to my god and myself alone."--- Thomas Jefferson
"May it [the Declaration of Independence] be to the world, what I believe it will be, (to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all,) the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government. That form which we have substituted, restores the free right to the unbounded exercise of reason and freedom of opinion. All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God. These are grounds of hope for others. For ourselves, let the annual return of this day [July 4th] forever refresh our recollections of these rights, and an undiminished devotion to them...." Thomas Jefferson on the 50th anniversary of the declaration's signing
"The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses."--- John Adams A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America (1787-88)
Note the last quote is EXACTLY what you are doing. The founding fathers expressly did not want people to attribute the American Revolution as an act of god.
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Lol, NO.
Most of the founding fathers were deists. This is common knowledge, and should be, especially if you would've done your research and read some of what they wrote. They rejected the concepts of Christianity all the time actually; if they were people living in modern times you probably would've slated them as "libturds" or something equally short-sited because they dared to question your religion.
"No matter what you say they are Christians"-- welp, insistence and ignorance are bliss I guess. How come with Americans if you don't believe in the right religion you're not patriotic enough? I can see why my boyfriend wants to move to my more secular country..
Why would separation of church and state exist if America was supposed to be some sort of Christian Dictatorship? It is MEANT to be an unbiased democracy. Even "one nation under God" was forced on Americans due to rabid Christians in the public who refused to have it any other way.
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incorrect, read more deeply into their stories and quotes, they all believed in some kind of Judeo-Christian faith, Thomas Jefferson himself declared himself a Christian.
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Many belonged into certain Christian denominations, but most of them were Deists, and most especially they're secularists & religious skeptics. You may have a different opinion, but that doesn't demolish the reality that they're not Christians (some were however).
“Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
“When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obligated to call for help of the civil power, it’s a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.”
~Founding Father Benjamin Franklin, letter to Richard Price, October 9, 1780
“Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, then that of blindfolded fear.”
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
“The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by Founding Father John Adams
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church."
~ Founding Father Thomas Paine
"It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible."
~ Founding Father Thomas Paine
"What havoc has been made of books through every century of the Christian era? Where are fifty gospels, condemned as spurious by the bull of Pope Gelasius? Where are the forty wagon-loads of Hebrew manuscripts burned in France, by order of another pope, because suspected of heresy? Remember the 'index expurgatorius', the inquisition, the stake, the axe, the halter and the guillotine."
~ Founding Father John Adams to John Taylor
The United States' political foundation & founding principles were firmly inspired by ancient Greek & Roman thought, the Founding Fathers desired to establish a republic which is representative democracy that safeguards the rights of all, especially the rights of minorities. The Constitution had borrowed inspirations from ancient Greek & Roman ideas, Native American tribes, and the English Magna Carta. America is a secular country, and was originally intended by its founders to become a society guided by reason & ideas of liberty, equality, and fraternity.
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There is always some non American getting into Americans business.
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Oustanding argument but no.
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Yes, thank you for question, cannot say it has any associations with DeviantART, but that doesn't really matter.
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Nether does you propaganda, And so I don't have to suffer someone like you again......
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Every time I see a picture of all of them, I'm like: "Guys! I can't tell any of you apart! Get haircuts!"
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"no matter what you say they are..." that phrase alone should show you that you are trying to construct a reality as you wish it to be.
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Except for Benjamin Franklin and Jefferson. Franklin was a deist while Jefferson was a heretic who believed that Jesus was not the Son of God. Now I'm not trying to contradict you. I'm with you and I support you.
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Technically many were deist, others were atheist.
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They were Deists. They believe in a God who created the universe and dosen't intervene with it and left it to govern on its own perfectly with Laws Of Nature
It did say in the D.O.I.
"Laws of Nature and of Nature's God"
"Creator"
"Supreme Judge of the world"
They don't believe in the bible and there are quotes by them as evidence they don't believe in Christianity. Including George Washington, Thomas Paine (In his book Age of Reason), Ben Franklin, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and lots more.
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incorrect, read more deeply into their stories and quotes, they all believed in some kind of Judeo-Christian faith, Thomas Jefferson himself declared himself a Christian.
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