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unlobogris [2019-12-19 18:26:45 +0000 UTC]
Is that a melon?
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batworker In reply to unlobogris [2019-12-19 21:07:46 +0000 UTC]
Yes. Its uncommon for modern baleen whales, but it was suggested recently, that Eomysticetids had low melon-like structure.
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unlobogris In reply to batworker [2019-12-23 15:48:36 +0000 UTC]
Cool! So... echolocation might be ancestral to the split between modern mysticetes and odontocetes?
Could you please give me the reference of the paper where they bring evidences of that?
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batworker In reply to unlobogris [2019-12-24 08:04:48 +0000 UTC]
After your words, I thought and once again looked at various reconstructions. Because it is extremely doubtful - the ancestors of baleen whales should not have echolocation. Apparently, what looks like a “melon” is soft tissue and muscle, conditioned by the shape of the skull, and in a different genus. So I need to make a revised version and return Yamatocetus flat top of the head.
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unlobogris In reply to batworker [2019-12-26 12:41:53 +0000 UTC]
Definitely the new restoration looks more "mysticetid", but this one is interesting anyway and made us think a little bit. Other thing I have noticed from this conversation is that all modern cetaceans with melons seems to have the melon *before* the blowhole, even sperm whales.
For what genus is that potential "melon-like" soft tissue structure mentioned?
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batworker In reply to unlobogris [2019-12-27 15:15:21 +0000 UTC]
For Tokarahia.
I would not even say “in front of”, but maybe “around”. But certainly not "behind." In sperm whales, the outer nostril is shifted forward (as I understand it, passing around the spermaceti sac), but the inner nostrils are still on the crown, so everything seems to be in order.
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avancna [2019-12-18 06:30:35 +0000 UTC]
You mean "Kyushu"? "Kushu" is a fishing port in northern Honshu
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batworker In reply to avancna [2019-12-18 07:16:08 +0000 UTC]
Gomen'nasai
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avancna In reply to batworker [2019-12-19 03:34:05 +0000 UTC]
That, and it's late Miocene.
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batworker In reply to avancna [2019-12-19 06:44:41 +0000 UTC]
Okazaki, Y. (2012). "A new mysticete from the upper Oligocene Ashiya Group, Kyushu, Japan and its significance to mysticete evolution"
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