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Published: 2017-05-13 21:21:53 +0000 UTC; Views: 3836; Favourites: 195; Downloads: 0
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Description Comic #76: This is one of those subjects that I feel I can only briefly touch upon because people can get very aggressive with their views and opinions in the comment section. I don’t wish to draw fire but these things are a part of me too…

Also first appearance by a Sun bear! (top panel, on the left). Kudos if you get the old meme reference in the last panel if not here it is:  youtu.be/YSTJ5Xe-E8c

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Comments: 70

Sidonie [2017-08-04 20:55:17 +0000 UTC]

I used to think I had it figured out, but there are so many new and different terms nowadays it frequently confuses me  

I like men and women.. I like being a woman, and yet I have a lot of masculine parts to my 'psyche' which I equally love.  I try to never think of others by gender, race, or sexuality though 

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OniVrask [2017-05-17 14:57:52 +0000 UTC]

Its nature plain and simple, if you look at it that way, animals only mate with the perfect specimen of their species, any flaws and they one will likely never get to mate. For humans it may not come down to mating but that sort of generalizing is still in the human make up like it or not.

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Vixxiin In reply to OniVrask [2018-03-09 23:53:44 +0000 UTC]

I think the more social and therefore the more subjective animals, such as humans, apes, etc tend to be more .. picky, but also more likely to deviate as well. Mammals in particular do this.
There are plenty of animals that don't give a crap if one of their own is gay, bi, or whatever. They don't even have the mind to think about the implications when it comes to reproducing.

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OniVrask In reply to Vixxiin [2018-03-10 16:45:44 +0000 UTC]

You got a point there.

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Bear-hybrid In reply to OniVrask [2017-05-17 17:27:17 +0000 UTC]

I think its somewhat different in groups of animals with social group behavior. Not everything is driven by 'find the mate' even in our most base animal instincts, because we also have to live with others.

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OniVrask In reply to Bear-hybrid [2017-05-17 18:01:03 +0000 UTC]

True its not so for all animals your right, but you do still see it in animal behaviour, I still think its in the human make up somewhere, its more of a sub conscious thing I think I doubt that every person that does it means or knows they are doing it.

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SmokedPuppy [2017-05-16 15:12:42 +0000 UTC]

I fight with my mom about this all of the time.

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ArtsyGoatAlan [2017-05-16 00:17:29 +0000 UTC]

It's part of the human condition to want to label things and put the into a box. I'm not entirely sure why that is, other than it makes us feel better about it? Like somehow that makes it easier to understand? When in truth things are never black or white, everything is just shades of grey (or a rainbow if you prefer).

This is very well done, you shared your opinion and thoughts in a respectful manner. I'm not sure how anyone can get angrey or offended over what was said. Eventually, people will come around to understand. Fear of the unknown and things we don't understand is a natural instinct becuase, back when our instincts played a bigger role in our survival, what we didn't know or understand could kill us and that was bad.

If you think about it we have tried to catorgorize each and every animal, insect, fish, plant species, etc. It's a psychological part of our development to learn to catagorize, and to have someone erease those boxes can be very shocking and uncomfortable. Which, I think is partly why people do get agressive about it. When things dont fit nicely into a box, people try to force it. A square peg into a round hole, if you will.

It's just, if we are such complex organisms with complex thought processes... Then why are we limiting ourselves to boxes? This or that. One or the other. Black or white. When accepting how complex we are as organisms would show really how silly trying to put us in boxes can be. New ideas and concepts are always met with resistance. Heck, people snorted and laughed when someone thought "Hey, the earth is acctually round." It'll just take time for people to understand and accept new ideas. But, we'll get there!

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Vixxiin In reply to ArtsyGoatAlan [2018-03-09 23:59:34 +0000 UTC]

I think it's part of the pattern seeking and predictability that causes a lot of the BS that comes with new discoveries and information that change our lives or perceptions of "universal truths"

I think people feel upset by their being more than male and female because their brain was crystallized to the previous notion. They now feel that something that seemed so simple is now unpredictable and complicated.

I get why people feel like this, but I wholly think that as long as no one is hurting anyone else, I don't care what they are. Rarely is someones sexuality, gender identification etc a problem for anyone else but the person that feels non-accepted for something they don't control.

People just do not like the status quo being changed, no matter how inconsequential it may be in the end. I think continuous updates on discoveries, inventions and information will help future youth to change this crystallizing that happens, they will be used to paradigm shifts and things being challenged all the time. Information age really helps with this, even if sometimes the info is wrong, often it still challenges the status quo.

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ArtsyGoatAlan In reply to Vixxiin [2018-03-10 17:05:39 +0000 UTC]

Very well said, I think you are absolutely right. I think another part of it is the fear of change, even if nothing is technically changing. There are a lot of people that fear change because sometimes it is something out of their control or turn their world on its head. As a result, they lash out at what about their world is being changed or challenged. The idea and existence of other sexuality and genders has been around for a long time, it just was never noticed like it is being now.

I fully agree that as long as no one is getting hurt, it shouldn't matter. The only time it could mildly be a problem is traversing the dating scene, but even then it doesn't make that big of a problem (at least from my view point).

Hopefully, with time things will change for the better. Well, actually they already are. The more people learn and understand, the more understanding people will be. 

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Vixxiin In reply to ArtsyGoatAlan [2018-03-10 18:02:31 +0000 UTC]

Exactly, I think people underestimate how much people are actually knowledgeable in some of these things. The downside (at least at first imo) to information age is we get to see much more crappy things and people than before. But that doesn't mean it's an increase, if anything, lots of terrible things have decreased and every generation is more informed than the last. 

It sucks, and it's gonna take time, but we are moving forward in understanding and accepting people who are different from what we know. 

I think what people don't understand is that not knowing information doesn't mean it just popped into existence when it was discovered. It was always there, always happening. We just didn't know about it. It's not new, it's old, it's just that some were not informed.

Agreed. I've always thought that for simplicities sake, the only thing people need to know term wise is androsexual, gynosexual, bisexual, pansexual and asexual. Possibly demi, but even that one is more of a subset since a person can be bi-demi or pan-demi etc. And really, no one needs to know about someones personal sexuality, but since it's a subject now that is an important topic for acceptance, simplifying terms may help.

I know I was heavily overwhelmed learning about all the sexuality types and how confusing it is to say someone is heterosexual, but is also trans and likes males. Andro and gyno eliminate a supposed assumption of the persons sex and gender identification and simply says they are into female or male features, as in, what the person looks like, not their gender. Because that is what usually is noticed first. Pan would include attraction to androgynous features. 

Anyway, sorry for talking your ear off. It's a touchy subject for a lot of people. It's nice to converse about it in a space where people are from what I've seen open and respectful, willing to have a discussion rather than a flame war.

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ArtsyGoatAlan In reply to Vixxiin [2018-03-10 19:19:48 +0000 UTC]

It's completely fine. It is always nice to be able to discuss something in a civil way without people jumping down your throat or getting defensive.

I actually hadn't heard the terms androsexual or gynosexual before. I am a transguy and I'm attracted to other men, so I've just always said I'm gay. Even though the term homosexual possibly doesn't apply to me, for simplicity I use gay. Since, the term gay means a man attracted to another man (though it has also come to be a blanket term). I personally, don't feel comfortable identifying as heterosexual even if technically that may be correct. It just feels incorrect. So, I suppose Androsexual would be most accurate for me to say, but, I still will continue using the term gay. It just feels the most appropriate and correct thing for me to call myself. 

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GypsyMidnight [2017-05-15 22:39:56 +0000 UTC]

What I don't get is why is everyone so desperate to label themself? (but themself in a box) I mean most of the time your sexuality or gender isn't important, we are all people how it matters what you have in your pants or who you like to sleep with, or not sleep with doesn't really change anything.... your still a person.

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IFLE97 [2017-05-15 18:36:37 +0000 UTC]

If people dared to put me in a box I would make sure it is the biggest, most sparkly, rainbow coloured box there is!
There are so many shades of grey in the aspects of identity. And not just gender, sexuality and all those things people immediately think of. I wish the world would be more open minded or at least realise that labels aren't everything and that they can change over time.
Just allow people to be whoever they feel like being, you don't have to understand it! Understand that they are a person and that they deserve to be respected and acknowledged as such.
Thank you for allowing me my tiny rant. I'll be in my rainbow box if you need me!

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GuephRen [2017-05-15 14:11:03 +0000 UTC]

I can agree with this! It goes beyond gender labels too, it could be about what colours you like, or music, or anything.

Something else I really enjoyed was how you made every bear a different one (And their expressions too!)

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ZakStorm [2017-05-14 20:08:10 +0000 UTC]

But the real question here: Were the tacos at the end good?

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Bear-hybrid In reply to ZakStorm [2017-05-14 20:38:43 +0000 UTC]

A++ quality tacos

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ZakStorm In reply to Bear-hybrid [2017-05-15 01:53:01 +0000 UTC]

Excellent!

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TenvianRabbit [2017-05-14 16:48:47 +0000 UTC]

Question: How can a human be Asexual? That means you don't need another of the species to mix gametes to create offspring.

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ArtsyGoatAlan In reply to TenvianRabbit [2017-05-16 00:28:44 +0000 UTC]

I know it was already answered, but if it helps think of it this way: A- as a prefix in medical/scietific terms generally means without. so, Asexual litterally means without sex. Which is why plants are considered asexual. Eventhough there is a swaping of gametes/genetic info to create offspring, plants do not have sex inorder to do so.

Asexual doesn't mean you don't need another member of your species to reproduce (though it can, in the case of bacteria which reproduce through mitosis), it just means the absence of sex. That is why it is used also as a form of sexual orintation, becuase those who identify as asexual, are without sex.

I hope that helps. C:

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Bear-hybrid In reply to TenvianRabbit [2017-05-14 20:42:20 +0000 UTC]

Try typing it into google. You'll find that the reproductive biology term 'asexual' is now secondary to the sexuality term Asexual. I'd be genuinely surprised if you'd never heard of it in this context o.O :
"Asexuality is the lack of sexual attraction to anyone, or low or absent interest in or desire for sexual activity. It may be considered the lack of a sexual orientation"

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WhiteWereSheep In reply to TenvianRabbit [2017-05-14 19:10:15 +0000 UTC]

I think this is not meant in the biological sense as 'reproducing asexually' but rather 'generally not being interested in sexual activites'.

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TenvianRabbit In reply to WhiteWereSheep [2017-05-14 19:11:29 +0000 UTC]

Well thanks for that.

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WhiteWereSheep In reply to TenvianRabbit [2017-05-14 19:39:40 +0000 UTC]

No problem!

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EricLeViking [2017-05-14 16:23:16 +0000 UTC]

Boxes are something society eventually always do for the worst.
Excellent drawing !

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OMadHatterO [2017-05-14 06:35:54 +0000 UTC]

Meh too!
That's why in Transformice I was disquised as a male and when I was telling to a few friendos my real gender, they couldn't believe me! It was so satisfying and fun!

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AnuOjat [2017-05-14 06:09:30 +0000 UTC]

Hmmm i dunno. What are the critism then?

I dont know what to say to this since i dont know what people have said to you.

The only thing i can say is that  Gender doesnt make a lick of sense to me, Physical sex already determines so many things about your brains ( and thus minds) hormonal levels ect. That gender sounds like an ad-hoc label placed ontop of sex.

Theres no such thing as feeling like man or woman, there is gender dysphoria but the idea that one can identify as male/female sounds baffling to me. Our feelings are things like anger, sadness, fear, joy eeect. Anyone would recnoice that "i identify as the moon or a chair" would ber indication os SERIOUS mental and bodily dystrophia.

If we referring to a "role in society" then what we really are talking about is social norms those can be either sobjective of objective. Especially in relation to childrens health, family size, monogomy, ect.

In short: I am confused. I am a man, both mentally and physically since my time in the womb was successful, the right genetic expression went to the right parts and so on. Now IF you did have bit of confuzzlement during that time then yeah makes sense; You feel little of when it comes to to the brain/mind scructure.

But there is also another key factor: Epigenetics, thsi is the concept that genes can be turned on and or and expressed more of less due to enviromental (physical world, toxins, social relationships, child welbeing and child abuse ect.) Which CAN amplify (and confuse) ones brain further as we all know: The brain grows during the first 6 years substancially during time known as "the fourth trimester".

I hope this has been helpful?

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CloudchaserShaconage [2017-05-14 06:05:00 +0000 UTC]

I can't stand it that if someone does try to be different and not the same as everyone else, they get accused of attention whoring

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WhiteWereSheep In reply to CloudchaserShaconage [2017-05-14 11:27:34 +0000 UTC]

The problem with that is, in my pessimistic opinion, that no one is actually different/special. We're all our own person, which one could say makes us all different. But in the words of Syndrome: "And when everyone's super... no one will be."
And, depending on the situation and people of course (since there are some exceptionally stupid ones out there and I don't want to generalise), I think most people don't mind if someone else tries to be 'different than everyone else'. It's just that people get annoyed when that someone tries to rub it in everyone else's faces that they're "oh so much different than all those boring other people who are just sheep that follow the mainstream", especially when they're not THAT 'different'. That's just rude and unnecessary, aka annoying.

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FluffySt [2017-05-14 05:15:06 +0000 UTC]

Thi SI  problem yes..Btw i am BOTH :3 mALE AND FEMALE YET 100% FEMALE..oPEN BUT 100% STRAIGHT xd AND THIS is NORMAL and i don't give a FLYING FUCK about what twisted,idiot ideas try to manipulate..I just crush them and walk forward and proudly. U no need to choose between sexualities and genders if u feel like u are both or more

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World-of-Fayrix [2017-05-14 04:52:56 +0000 UTC]

A... friend of mine is demisexual, she used to think she is asexual yet she sometimes can turn herself on with comics and stories, but those only. She almost never recognizes if someone wants something from her, and it's usually me trying to help her out cause she is "sending signs" without even noticing... xD She is wary about sex with other people and stuff, but it still fascinates her, yet the whole process is kinda "eww" for her. Not plain disgusting, but not satisfying either. 
This happened until we found out we have a really huge crush on each other. And she can do stuff with me so this is how we found out. xD I don't even get why people need to scale and box things up, it's so wrong.. If I wanna be a pumpkin then so shall I be, they have absolutely nothing to do with that. This is why I said friend first, she wouldn't came out to her parents even if I were single. (Polyammorous here, bf knows about everything and doesnt mind we talked about that part, he even me a lot)
Her mother "wouldn't mind if she would be lesbian but would think about where she (the mom) went wrong". It's 2017 and too many people think still that sexuality and/or gender and/or being an animalistic soul is either a sickness or a side effect of bad parenting... 
I wish people could just open their eyes at once. The world would be such a more peaceful place... :/ We create more and more things we can argue about when some people are trying to bend the "boxes" a bit to suit them too... 

But the above shows, everyone is special and has their own ways, the boxes are only suitable for the masks the people put up...

I feel this so much, especially cause in the strict meaning I am basically "fcked up". I am not though, I love myself the way I am but still. I have many-many flaws and kinks and characteristics which a lot of people wouldn't consider anywhere near "normal". This is why I don't even try to get friends, I have just enough of them now, I tried to be friendly and open but people are so damn intolerant sometimes... My boyfriend is really accepting, he even thinks it's adorable when I purr (I resisted it for a while and one day it just slipped out, he laughed and I continued it ever since.) and snuggle beside him. That's more than enough in my opinion.

I don't even know why I wrote this down but it felt good. x) 

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Qara [2017-05-14 04:09:49 +0000 UTC]

As a non-binary/genderqueer person/maverick I understand this 

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MacCoolness [2017-05-14 02:36:47 +0000 UTC]

Gender is determined by chromosomes

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Bear-hybrid In reply to MacCoolness [2017-05-14 02:58:18 +0000 UTC]

That would be 'sex' not gender.

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Averant [2017-05-14 00:05:44 +0000 UTC]

I love this. I am sharing it far and wide! Fantastic, Holly +Fave!

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FRivArts [2017-05-13 23:17:23 +0000 UTC]

lol Pick none~

Hey, if nerds are the new normal, ain't nothing to worry about from whiny bullies.

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Bear-hybrid In reply to FRivArts [2017-05-13 23:41:10 +0000 UTC]

None wouldn't be correct for me

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FRivArts In reply to Bear-hybrid [2017-05-14 01:01:23 +0000 UTC]

Short for none of the above ;'3

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Lyrak In reply to FRivArts [2017-05-14 02:11:34 +0000 UTC]

Damn I wanted to be none pizza with left beef.

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FRivArts In reply to Lyrak [2017-05-14 02:49:06 +0000 UTC]

I'm bacon Cousin!

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Meekobolf [2017-05-13 23:17:16 +0000 UTC]

I love this, nicely done and I completely get what you mean.

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Bear-hybrid In reply to Meekobolf [2017-05-13 23:41:15 +0000 UTC]

Thankyou! ^^

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Rrysva [2017-05-13 22:14:55 +0000 UTC]

That's why I don't like all these new terms at all. I am who I am. I don't want to put one of those 5000 new tumblr-lables on me~
And I feel with you being something between sexual and asexual :,D I'm sexual with the right person, but this is very rare, but it happens.

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WhiteWereSheep In reply to Rrysva [2017-05-14 19:22:12 +0000 UTC]

I have seen very few people online who seem as reasonable as you.
Like... I applaud you. You summarised what I would've written in fifteen unnecessarily long paragraphs.

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Rrysva In reply to WhiteWereSheep [2017-05-14 20:21:39 +0000 UTC]

aww, so nice, thank you x3
Maybe it's because the austrian childbook "Das kleine ich-bin-ich" (the little I-am-I) was one of my favorite books as a child...it's about a creature, who looks for it's identity and while it's on it's journeys it asks different animals, who it is, with the last phrases: "Maybe I don't exist at all?" Followed by its realization "Of course I exist, because I am I." Kinda deep theme for a childs book, but it really leave its mark on me, because the message is very important in my opinion.
(oh, I just read on wikipedia since 2014 there's also an english version)
The internet could go on and invent 1000 more lables, but it still won't catch the individuality of every person out there.
So instead of using endless complex lables, it's much more easier to say: "I am who I am and this is fine."

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WhiteWereSheep In reply to Rrysva [2017-05-14 23:40:50 +0000 UTC]

Oh my god, what a coincidence, me and my siblings had the same book as children  (we're from Germany though, but close enough xD)
Maybe not a coincidence at all? We all loved that book when we were little and all have pretty much the same opinion about these things... huh. Should I ever have children I know what I will read to them!
100% agreed though, I mean I get why labels could help you find yourself but if you have to explain your labels to everyone else anyway because they're not commonly used then what's the point of running around throwing your labels around anyway? Certainly not to make it easier for everyone.

Not that I get misunderstood, I'm all for people educating/explaining technical terms and stuff to others to make them understand. It's just that people shouldn't expect others to know about it or get it right away if you have to explain it. I personally met people who seemingly weren't able to grasp the concept of asexuality, no matter how you explained it to them. But you know what? It was totally fine, everyone could just move on with their lives.
I also don't get why people are so sensitive about being mislabeled by a total stranger. I mean, it's probably an honest-to-good mistake and you'll never meet that person again. But that's a whole new big topic I don't want to start. xD Hope I'm not straying too far here~

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Rrysva In reply to WhiteWereSheep [2017-05-15 06:33:57 +0000 UTC]

Haha, I was born and raised germany, too :3

And I agree with you in all points. Mislabeling is something that had to happen, because of the thousands of different terms...that's why I almost refuse to use them. They don't make sense in RL. Maybe in the internet, where you can open another tab and google what it means, but in a "real" conversation, it makes everything much more difficult.

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Bear-hybrid In reply to Rrysva [2017-05-13 23:44:30 +0000 UTC]

I do agree that labels are mostly unnecessary. The only good thing about them is that they let you know about other like-minded individuals & perhaps lay out an explanation of yourself in very few words.

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Rrysva In reply to Bear-hybrid [2017-05-14 07:58:20 +0000 UTC]

IF there's even a lable for it. Mostly it just complicates the whole thing and it's a lot faster to say: I have sex fantasies, but not really interested in doing it phyiscally. Instead of throwing around lables no one in RL knows anyway.
Or the gender-thingie. Most people online think I'm male (when I don't choose a gender), which is totally fine with me. In RL people say I'm female, because of my physical traits, which is even more fine with me, because I don't really care about genders at all. Genders don't define who I am. Gender just say if I can get my period or not.
In my opinion it gots alot more complicated with all the lables, than it was before x_x I don't talk much to people online anymore, because nowadays everyone gets offended so easely. That really makes me uncomfortable speaking with them in the first place.

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Owl-Flight [2017-05-13 21:39:27 +0000 UTC]

it's pretty cool to see other people fall somewhere between asexual and sexual :3

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