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Published: 2016-10-24 20:34:05 +0000 UTC; Views: 1269; Favourites: 51; Downloads: 0
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I'm on a bit of a LotR roll since I discovered that absolutely fab Thranduil video...
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ahhh I love the details in this sooo much and over all calm feeling. Great job <3
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Oh my! I really, really like that 
Such serene atmosphere. You can almost feel them breathing contentedly.
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well, thranduil and legolas are a favorite soft spot of mine XD
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The two Hobbit movies Legolas was in destroyed my fondness for him, and I'm slowly gaining it back through book canon and random fanfiction. xD
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XD he WAS a bit different in the hobbit movies. but then he was supposed tob e much younger (
while the actor was much older ) and it would have made him more prudish. I do love the LOTR legolas better.
btw, I ran into a song I would have ADORED if someone would have made it into a frosiron clip because its VERY Loki-Tony. but the best I could find is Steve-Tony one. still, good song.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8hGAZ…
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He was supposed to be younger... but the Hobbit movies take place like what, 70-80 years before LotR? That's nothing for an elf. To me, it just doesn't explain anything about how different he is between those movies. Yes, you could argue that what happened with Tauriel changed him, and that he had some revelation before LotR, that Thranduil telling him to find Aragorn at the end of BotFA was a quest in which Legolas learned whatever, but ARAGORN WAS LIKE 10 AND LIVING IN RIVENDELL during the Battle of the Five Armies, what you gonna do, Legolas?? It doesn't help that of course the actor is older in the Hobbit, which takes away some of the wide-eyed, youthful innocence you could see in Legolas in LotR. In the Hobbit he just looks angry all the time, he looks older, he acts older, and if someone were to watch the Hobbit movies first and then go to LotR, they would probably be surprised when Legolas doesn't start hurling nasty insults at Gimli at once and threaten him. Yeah, the situation is different than when he met the dwarves in his forest, but the change is just so drastic that it doesn't even seem like the same character.
I don't think it's so much the character I dislike, but rather the writing... Legolas was just so very pointless in the Hobbit movies. Going in, I thought I'd hate Tauriel, but no. She was pretty cool. Legolas was just sort of... there, maybe to make the viewers go "oh hey, I know him! he was in LotR!", or maybe because they didn't have the guts to add Tauriel alone, non-canon as she was, so they needed Legolas to make people not hate her... I just. Can't. xD Overall I didn't much care for the choices they made with Desolation and BotFA, and I suppose that it affects my view of the characters, as well. I just LOVE the first Hobbit movie, probably because it focuses on what it should - a bunch of dwarves and a hobbit. Legolas was as pointless as Frodo was in the Hobbit movies, only our dear elf was in them more, which makes me hate him more. xD But I'm trying to get over it.
Wow, sorry for the rant! I couldn't help myself. xD
But anyway, yes! That would make for such an emotional video, damn it. I used to make fanvids, and there are so many songs I'd like to mesh with Frostiron... but it's too much effort for me these days. xD
By the way, I've been compiling a list of songs that remind me of Loki/Frostiron. It's just a word document without links, just the song and the artist. If I put that up in Google drive and shared the link with you, would you be interested in contributing? I think it's always cool to find new songs, especially if they remind you of something. You could edit the document freely, and you wouldn't have to explain your choices or anything - if it's a Loki or Frostiron song to you, it belongs on the list.
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yeah, Legolas WAS kinda pointless in the hobbit. on one hand, you couldnt exclude him since Thranduil is his father and the whole story involves Thranduil so it must feature him as well. on the other hand, he didnt have to be present, he doesnt really have a real part in anything and he really acts more jaded than he should act, partly due to the writing and partly due to the actor being older. its such a pity they didnt film the series in chronological order.... and yup, he had next to no real plot because he was really a side character, all in all. he was there to be seen.
you know, the whole ageing thing with elves always struck me as odd. I never could wrap my head completely around it.
see, if elven ageing is set at a fixed rate, say, 10 years = one elven ageing year, you'd get a long lived race, but they will be stuck with long term infants and children. think of having each month of development stretch to a year. I know elves dont preceive time as humans do and yadda yadda but its impractical!
another option is to have a development curve, where it starts at an almost human pace and slows down graduelly. but this kind of ageing curve is really complicated and hard to pin down. I tried to set such a curve for my elves and ended up with three seperate ageing rulers- one for physical development, one for mental development, and one of actual age. I figured that an efficient development would be close to human until the child is self sufficient and then it slows downand the mental development doesnt always adhere to the physical one. I still havent set own all the milestones on the rulers as it tended to give me a headache.
so I bet the writers of the movies just decided to ignore the whole thing altogether rather than mess with the differences.
it WAs dissapointing, because they could have given him a really deep plot, one of growing up and experiencing loss and learning, but they missed that almost completely.
I read the novels when I was about 14. I adored them. but when I tried to read them again when I was older, I dont know.... something was missing, and the pages upon pages of descriptions just bored me. its a real pity because its a classic and I dont know why I cant enjoy it anymore....
its ok 
ooh!! I'd love to share frostiron songs! I often make lists of songs for my characters and characters I write, to help me get in the right mood for writing them. I have a playlist for each of my main characters and I keep adding to them. I'd love to have one for frostiron, it would help me write my fic! and its fun
so that's a yes, I'd love to
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I don't think he needed to be there just because Thranduil was there. If we use the "in the book" argument, The Hobbit had Thranduil, but no Legolas in sight. Because there was just no need for him. It's a shame overall, how they treated the character.
And YES, the elven age issue is something that I've been thinking about a lot, too, since I have two stories with elves as the lead. The Bodyguard elves are stuck with that fixed rate thing, I can't remember what I set it to - but yeah, their children are children for decades. I don't mind as much since BG is not that serious a story. With the other story, though... man. I solved that with magic, basically.
As for Legolas, since the Tolkien elves are immortal, 70 years is a blink of an eye, basically. I've no idea how they age from child to adult... I tried to look at the appendixes of LotR to see any indication of how long it takes, but, well... I'm really none the wiser. I seem to remember that Elrond's sons went hunting for the orcs that killed their mother, so they must have been adult-ish then, but their mom died well over 2000 years after they were born, sooo... xD His elves reach maturity somewhere between 18 and 2000, then? xD
I can totally understand that reading LotR can be a bit dull at times. Especially the parts with Sam and Frodo in Mordor are a bit of a chore to me, since nothing much happens to them and the landscape itself is so bleak that reading descriptions about it is pretty boring.
Cool! I'll send you the link in a note once I get the thing uploaded.
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well, I saw a program once on nationa geographic in which a scientist explained that the more intelligent a species is, the longer their infant stage is. I dont remember the reasons but it makes sense that a smarter species would find ways to provide and care for a young one for a longer time, so the species can allow for a longer dependant period. as I've seen it when I thought about it, elves have realtively peaceful lives so they can afford for a longer childhood, BUT no species would allow for infancy for a decade or more, so while infancy should be relatively fast, childhood can stretch longer than human. so I figured the gestation period of pregnancy would be longer than human, perhaps a full year or a year and a half. infancy would equal that of a human and would gradually slow down after the walking and talking and crude dexterity milestones are passed. at this stage a child is capable of mobilizing itself and feeding itself providing there is food in reach. each further milestone takes longer, but their mental development is not as slow so you do end up with "older than they seem" children. which is fine by me. but I couldnt pin down the exact rates. largely because I havent been exposed much to infants and I dont know much about child development (my bro was born when I was seven. I dont have kids of my own and neither does bro. and I'm not that close to my cousins nor do I have many of them. so.... yup, no kids around much.)
now, Drow, on the other hand, live dangerous lives with high infant mortality rate. so I figured their development would be a bit faster, mental milestones reached faster and their curve would be sharper.
yeah, I never quite uderstood Tolkien's elven ageing. he never elaborated much. I'm not sure he thought it through. I dont even know how elves mature. do they have a rite? an age threshold? a set of deeds need to be done? who knows....
yeah some fo the frodo parts made me want to bang my head against the wall. there was also a bit of over dramatization there. ther were also other parts, where landscape descriptions took pages upon pages and while it helped me visualize the first time, it was really really dreary the second time.
awsome! I'll be waiting!
oh, btw, another one I wish was frostriron:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtHoap…
I know its a nightcore version but I like it better this way. it kinda strikes me as dark frostiron from Loki's perspective.
btw, there's a really really moving animation someone did of it, with a wolf and a rabit. its called "dear rabbit" but it does have blood so I left you the option to search for it rather than give you the link. it made me cry it was so sad.
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I think it's got something to do with brain development. Humans, for example, can't be born ready to do everything, because their brain hasn't developed fully yet or something like that - and it would be impossible to give birth to someone with a brain that is developed enough because that would mean it would need to be bigger, and... well, you know. Giving birth seems painful enough as it is. xD
But what you're saying makes sense. If you want to know more about child development, I can recommend going to the library and finding stuff on developmental psychology. I had to read a book about it for an exam once, and it basically covered the psychological development of a human being from birth to death. It was really fascinating - it was called "How Children Develop" by Siegler, DeLoache and Eisenberg, so if you can find that I can recommend taking a look.
And OH, should've done this from the start, but well... see, I googled Tolkien's elves.
Oh, that song is kind of haunting. I can imagine it suiting that purpose well! Also, damn that video. O__o (Btw you can link me stuff with blood etc in them, as long as it's not, like, people hurting living things in real life
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well yeah, giving birth to a more developed child would be- ouch. and considering elves are narrower in many ways, well, thay would probably give birth as humans do. but gestation would be longer because of the way their bodies matabolize.... I think.
oh, I've been looking for literature about it for quite some time! thank you! I probably can find it in the central library at university, or in the education faculty library, which is closer to my own faculty. awsome
oh! so they mature at fifty... my own curve was somewhat slower, with a steeper decline at first. I think they still mature fairly fast until they reach puberty, then they really slow down. I still need to compute exactly at what rate...
LOL lose interest in sex? hell,t hey live so long you'd think they'd perfect it into an art form! I mean, when you live for so long and look pretty and ethreal, and have little to occupy your time with.... you'd think the carnal pleasures would be some thing you'd pursue? even if its between monogomous couples only? on the other hand, though, it sits well with Tolkien's notion that elves slowly seperate themselves from the world as they age, until they can no longer live in it. its as if they turn into spirits or sometihng. losing interest in physical pleasure WOULD play into that.
yeah, the song kinda lingers with you. and with the video giving it context and completing the blanks.... I tear up for the poor bunny every single time. but I can see that song play well for an abusive relationship as well... even without character death.
noted!!
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I know xD I'm kind of thinking that they don't completely lose interest in it... well, not to a point of being asexual, at least, as long as they have a spouse - since there are elves with more than one child - but that they just don't really think about it or have any pressing desires. But if they do decide to have sex ("for old times' sake, darling!"), it's fine and they probably enjoy it. Because otherwise having more than one child brings up a bunch of questions... (I mean, how did Aragorn and Arwen make it work, then, for example? xD)
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XD I just decided to branch off from Tolkienian elves and do what I want. I'd rather things make sense to me than assumng it mades sense to him once upon a time.
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Yeah, it would be boring if everyone's elves were just copies of Tolkien's elves...
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