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Clearly scrap-paper sketches are best suited for existential shaves. Whereβs your straight razor, Vegeta? I thought you were a real man.*Updated, screentoned to uh, make it look, less...Hm. Yep.
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Another great expression here. He would take himself so seriously even shaving. Lol.
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Lol thanks, he definitely would, wouldn't he? xD Vegeta bleeds badass into any mundane moment.
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Kind of makes me wonder how he used to shave in space or with what kind of razors aliens had came up. I mean - not every race seems to grow beards O_o ...slightly worrying about what things I think about XD;
Anyway! I really love the concentrated look you gave him in your drawing and the general sketchy look of it!
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There are many shaving possibilities I'm sure. I can imagine space men using some sort of laser adaptation or just sticking with an old fashioned blade, or even a more commercially styled blade. Looking at some of the stuff on Frieza's ship and the Ginyu Squad's reference to commercial goods like candy bars and luxury, it doesn't seem like such a stretch. 
I feel stoked that you dig his concentrated, sketch-rendered look! Thanks so much for the comment--made my day
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I was thinking about these possibilities as well. A laser adaption would make a lot of sense. Maybe these wouldn't just shave but also... stop their beards from growing for a while. (I think you can do that with lasers - atrophy hair follicles.) Or yes, as you've said, commercially styled blades. I wonder, if shaving by using your Ki would work; haha o_o
Exactly, it's fun. And the DB world holds so many possibilities. Especially as it's half science-fiction, half fantasy.
I'm glad to hear that! I've had a look at your other works and I just have to say that your sketch-like-style is absolutely wonderful!!
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Thanks a lot!! I have a lot of fun drawing this stuff
Wow, the whole atrophying facial hair thing is actually WICKED ingenious! I bet they did just that. Maybe that explains why Nappa and Paragus got theirs later on in life. Didn't go back for laser treatments, lol! Otherwise Raditz would have arrived to Earth with a beard....Weird mental image, that.
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I love it when people draw the characters in their own style while still capturing the spirit of the original artwork. You do that perfectly! Aaand... I'm looking forward to it!
It would save time after all. Precious time they could rather spend fighting; haha. Maybe another invention of the Tsufuru-jins they stole, but which was lost when the planet blew up? Then their beards grew back after a while and they had to use other devices. Nappa's beard seemed rather... 'stylish', so he spent more time maintaining it for sure XD And you totally made me crack up - I'd love to see Raditz with a big bushy beard now. God, he would be... covered in hair back and front....
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Oh man, can you imagine that series if all the men didnt look like they were fucking manscaped? Raditz would have been THE hairiest mother fucker of them all.
Oddly though, out of all them, I could see Nappa keeping up the manscaping routine--he takes special care of his "cultivated" facial hair, afterall xD
Speaking of facial hair, sometimes I wonder how it would have looked for Tenshinhan's third eye to have an eyebrow. If not for laughs, then at least as a protective barrier to catch dust and shit. I mean, it does just kinda protrude UNBLINKINGLY all the time. You think if he'd have to put up with that in real life he'd get, like, a monocle for that shit.
Also, aw man, that's quite a compliment! I'm honored to hear that my work keeps the spirit of the original art while still being my style. Thanks!
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Yes! (But if he would have been that hairy, I'm sure he wouldn't have worn those tiny pants after all XD)
Well, Nappa seems kinda narcissistic and was angry when his "beautiful face" was hurt, so I can imagine him spending some time on looking good.
Why didn't I think of that?! But, no. Nonono. An eyebrow above that third eye would have looked ridiculous. Even if it would have made sense for the exact reason you've mentioned. But I don't think it really counts as an eye, because it was achieved through deep meditation? Where would that eyebrow suddenly grow from? xD
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Oh no, man. Raditz would totally have laid it all out and owned it over everyone else xD His desperate attempt to "dominate" the scene with body language display.
Ugh, did Nappa really say "beautiful face" in Japanese? I didn't know that. But I DID know his mom's belly button sticks out. BEAUTIFUL MOMENT THERE. The only explicit detail we get from the show (excluding Bardock) about female Saiyans besides being in a parental unit with fathering Saiyans.
Tenshinhan's origins seem... Kinda mixed? He's supposed to have "attained" its sight in part of his training--but there's also a guidebook out there that (I THINK) says he's part of a 3rd-eye race that was nearly wiped out?
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Makes me very relieved that it isn't like that in the original and he's just... him. I couldn't deal with... well, all that hair in all those places. Not with that suit XD
I just checked it. The manga, the DBZ subtitle, the DBK subtitle. Turns out he only says "How dare you put a scar on me?!" in Japanese, but the DBK subtitle actually wrote it "How dare you make a scar on my beautiful face?!" Urgh.
There should have been more about the females, any kind of information. But with only Goku and Vegeta still alive, all information about them is forever lost. (I doubt Vegeta has any real memory of his mother...)
Ah, damn those inconsistency. However, he is better off without a third eyebrow.
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Oh, I don't know about that... Goku was expected to remember his mission, his parents, and even Raditz despite having been shipped off as an *infant*, so they may have superior memory overall? Vegeta was 5 by the time he left, and I'm left with the strong impression that he encountered Saiyan women (including his mom, the Queen) and got an eyeful of them like any other young prince. And he probably overheard Nappa and/or Raditz talking about them...which might have actually have been kind of a sore spot for them? I know they're gruff as fuck, but I bet they miss the women. I mean, you know. We're pretty great 
...You know what, I'm gonna give Tenshinhan all the eyebrows now, just for that. Just you wait.
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I think Raditz was being a little too optimistic about the memory of his brother. To a point of being ridiculous. For some reason I doubt their memories are that good, but I can't really put my finger onto why exactly, or that a 5 year old remembers much of that time or people he has met besides blurry pictures. But I do agree that Nappa and Raditz probably talked a lot about Saiyan women and of course rambled on how they miss them. There are even a few doujinshi with them doing the exact thing. And Vegeta could have learned about them in that way, because he wasn't able to not listen.
I'm waiting. In fear. But I am waiting.
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Oh man, and I want to think the same thing? But I'm held back by the fact that Raditz' words seem to match the premise that Saiyan babies are sent off while retaining knowledge of their mission and their heritage. I actually glare pointedly at Toriyama on that one, for putting me in that position as a viewer to suspend my disbelief that high. They MIGHT have strong sensory memory since birth though, who knows, like something that's stores but doesn't make sense til they age enough to perceive its meaning. And Vegeta seems sharp as fuck at 5 in the Bardock special... And Broly (ok, movies and terrible but nonetheless) drives that concept home further, so it seems like a plot theme. But yeah, gotta give it to Raditz for his optimism (and presumptuousness, holy shit) :->
Wow, there are doujinshi on that? I bet they're awesome *__* Most of the doujinshi that I see get translated are hentai and yaoi and that's it. It's funny to think of Nappa and Raditz getting sentimental, but they probably write their lamentations off as something more face-saving. NO MAN WE ARE STILL MANY AND UNRUFFLED BY THIS CONVERSATION. I wonder how many times Nappa wished Raditz had been a woman instead. And I wonder if they really trash talked Raditz while he was there or if they had a comraderie with him. Vegeta didn't make a stink about Nappa being weaker--they just acted accordingly.
And, oh. It is coming. Surely.
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Maybe it is more like a Saiyan baby rampages anyway when it sees the full-moon for the first time and then kills/destroys everything near it, because it has no control or self-awareness at all, and that just plays into the hands of those who sent him on the mission. The baby fulfills the mission without being aware of it. I'm not sure about the heritage thing, though. I mean, it is obvious that Goku isn't human, because he has a tail and can transform into a giant monkey. But there are so many strange people and creatures in the DB world that others or you yourself wouldn't really notice you're not from that planet. Like Tenshinhan with his three eyes or all animal people. Next to them Goku doesn't seem that 'unhuman' anymore. But on an other planet with... like bug aliens he would surely know he's not from that place. But he still wouldn't know he's a Saiyan. Ah, I don't know, man :< In times of doubt - never trust Raditz, I guess? How much does he even know anyway? Wasn't he like only a teenager when the planet blew up?
Maybe they have a strong sensory memory. In any case Vegeta is totally one of the smartest Saiyans, even at the age of only 5 he seems to know exactly what's going around him.
At least I've seen two that had a short snippet of the guys talking about Saiyan women. xD But it is true, it's mostly hentai/yaoi stuff which gets translated. That's because it usually has less text (= faster to translate) and too few people seem to care about real stories. However I'm currently also translating a few of those story-heavy het-doujinshi!
You just made me laugh so hard! Nappa has probably shed a few manly tears over the fact that Raditz wasn't a woman. And personally I think they picked on Raditz for being weaker (even during his presence), but also had some kind of camaraderie with him. Not like a real friendship, but they were a team after all and the last of their race. Vegeta was still the prince to them and his word was law, but yeah. They kinda raised him too, so.
Oh man... haha.
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Oh man, you are ABSOLUTELY correct about the baby rampaging. Would have just laid waste to everything... Honestly it would have made way more sense plot wise if Akira Toriyama didn't make the "memory" premise (which was drilled in) such a logistical leap, but even given that ...*wince* I don't think Raditz was ignorant on the subject. He was very explicit and consistent in the details of Saiyan culture and life--and what the life was for Saiyan children--when he's lived it himself. He's an authority on that--compounded by his experience with Nappa and Vegeta for 20 something years by that point. It's such a BASIC way of Saiyan life, I wouldn't hesitate to believe him. The logistical "leap in faith" thing is a story-telling failure honestly--but it becomes easier if you're able to dismiss the Bardock story of Goku leaving the planet the...goddamn day he was born xD Now, him being shipped off when he was, say, a year old, with sharp sensory memory, and imported info into his space pod--THAT I could buy. Otherwise, yeeaahh. WTF. Messy job tying lose ends together when the creator was stringing this story together by the seam of his pants!
Oh, Vegeta was a prodigy for sure. Not that even some human children (or hybrids--Gohan was smart as balls for a 4 year old. I STILL can't do calculus) aren't incredibly aware at that age...He was a creeeepy kid.
OMG, You're actually translating the story doujinshi?? *__* Do you want a hand doing the text and page editing? I make comics so I'm pretty decent at it.
And yeah! Aren't the trio's dynamic interesting to consider? Haha, this may sound ridiculous, but Raditz may have faired well with them due to his willingness to grovel, lie and kiss ass for his life--and not just because they'd probably get along generally due to the commonality they share as Saiyans. Raditz was afraid to die, and his persistence in living and doing what it took might well have been what kept him alive. Maybe even a willingness to debase himself (resentfully) Vegeta would have to contend with Nappa's idiocy and Raditz' comparative weakness, so he must have felt relieved when they both died. At least Nappa expected some medical attention and actually considered reviving Raditz (who in turn thought they would)... In a way Raditz and Nappa seemed to share more commonality than Nappa and Vegeta had, who seemed to sincerely give NO shits about Saiyan life beside his own.
Oh my god, and if Nappa had been cleverer, for all his attempt to push the idea of breeding a flock of hybrids to create a new Saiyan empire, he may have instead suggested for a flock of Saiyan females... >__> Buuut then it wouldn't be a show for young boys, now would it? HAH. Seriously, Nappa's proposition was the closest brush with rape in that series. I did a massive double take when I first read that translation.
Oh my god. I just had mental images of Nappa commanding Raditz to position himself in ways that obscured his obvious masculinity to he could get a glimpse of something that looked more like a Saiyan woman xD "Why...am I in this position exactly?" "Sshhh, don't ruin the moment."
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Ah, I don't think two persons can speak so much for a whole race, but while he probably didn't know about everything that was going on on his planet in general, like things that didn't concern him, he did of course know a lot, because he lived in that situation and was surrounded by other Saiyans, until he was only around Nappa and Vegeta then. To be honest, I would have loved to know more about him as a person, what his life was about when the planet was still there, if he has always been a solider and how he had escaped the explosion like Nappa did. By pure luck or...?
Who knows, maybe Saiyans really are made like that - they just know who they are and where they come from... like... salmons; haha. Maybe even a one day old baby can survive on its own, because it is stronger than a human baby and knows what to eat or how to hunt. Gohan survived on his own too when Piccolo left him out in the wasteland. (He was older, but yeah... He's also just half Saiyan.) But it has to be some kind of instinct. Lots of animals are like that too, they know how to do certain things and what to eat, where it's safe even shortly after they've been born. Maybe that's also why humans seem like such a race of weaklings to Vegeta?
Haha; you make it sound like I'm only doing those. I'd say one half are story doujinshi, the other half has sexual content also. That's very nice of you and I'll remember that! Though, to be honest I enjoy the page editing too. Anyway, if you know how to nicely edit pages where text is written across images that would be just great, because I have no idea how to do that without ruining the pictures ;O;
The trio's dynamic must have been pretty interesting. They are different from each other, but still share some of the same characteristics. It probably was a relief for Vegeta when both of them where gone. (That also helped him move on from the past in the end.) I still find it pretty sad that he cared so less for them. As you've said Nappa had more of a connection to Raditz (and to Vegeta as well) and even wanted to bring him back. They were teammates in a way, even if Vegeta was the prince to them and they were inferiors to him. Makes me wonder - a prince that doesn't care about his people - he would have been the prince of NO Saiyans AT ALL, if he had ended up killing Goku, Gohan etc. O_o
Wait, what, what? I don't remember anything at all about this? The 'idea of breeding a flock of hybrids to create a new Saiyan empire' and so on.
The saddest thing about this is that I can actually imagine it to have happened. Probably around the time when Raditz was still younger and not as masculine looking as years later........ Oh God.
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Yeah, Raditz' life always fascinated me too! I always figured that Nappa and Vegeta were devastating the same planet while Raditz was off somewhere else... And when Nappa was scrambling to find out info on the few survivors he was like "Oh god let one be a woman or two or three or all of them oh shit oh hell oh FUCKING HELL--" And he like clutches at his monitor in agonized anticipation before finding out that the third survivor is a low class...male. And just like breaking down in private. I bet Raditz broke down in private, too, when he realized what had happened. I can even see Raditz and Nappa break down together while smashed on shore leave at some point, a few months later, and they're just bawling like wrecked men, snot nosed and roaring their repressed grief. As for Vegeta....
....Yeaah, Vegeta is one CREEPY FUCKER! Nappa sounded disTURBED by Vegeta's disinterest--so much dissonance and appalling self-centeredness for even a Saiyan. His self-obsession is the only source of pride he seems to have in his race and heritage, its not as if he cares for their lives! It's actually one of his least likeable traits, for myself alway...
Hahaha, aaaah God, the salmon thing xD That was gorgeous. It's KIND OF IMPLIED ISNT IT? But the thing is, is that Goku is expected to remember things that don't get genitically ingrained (like a salmon's instincts) but rather things that are TAUGHT--and that's where the logistics bungle for me, personally xD I would agree though that a Saiyan infant would have survival instincts, definitely, but the way it's handled in the series, it just... It just suspends my disbelief way too long and too far. And the reason is...because Toriyama wrote himself carelessly out of a corner.
Oh--as for the breeding thing--YEAH, go check that out again, the scene after Raditz dies and Vegeta and Nappa are flying off into space and discussing hybrids... It's not in the English dubs, but I've seen it subbed and read it in Viz's translation so, I don't know how its stated in Japanese, but the topic was pretty consistent...
Kinda stupid for Vegeta to shoot down the idea of them breeding a new empire because their brats would be stronger than them--I mean, Hell. According to their plan, by that point they'd be immortal, anyway.
As for Raditz and Nappa again... Yeeaaaahh I am putting money on Nappa being kind of a drunk creeper at times around him. Maybe they even boned. Who knows. There's a short amount of NappaxRaditz out there. In any case, I'm sure Raditz has repressed a lot of humiliating secrets that Nappa played a part in, sexual or not xD
As for the editing bit.. Oh COOL, translating smut too, huh? Nice. Yeah, editing text over art can be hard, but its usually doable... I know a couple tricks.
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Oh yes, definitely happened like that! With some manly tears being shed. It must have been so damn depressing for them to find out that indeed no Saiyan woman had survived and that they had only each other from then on. But seriously, just think about how awesome it would be if Toriyama would finally come up with a "a random Saiyan WOMAN who magically survived the explosion of planet Vegeta suddenly appears on Earth" plot for a movie, special or maybe for a new season, if he has planned that. And I wanna see a female Super Saiyan ;w; Does Pan ever go Super Saiyan? Bulla doesn't, right? (I'm still like at episode 27 in DBGT which I'm watching for the first time currently, so I have no idea; haha.)
Damn it, I want Saiyan women - so bad. In a prequel or whatever, I don't care. Seripa had such little screen-time and she seemed totally awesome. I want more of that. I'm whining, sorry xD;
That scene is very disturbing, too. Nappa's reaction is totally understandable. Now, I have some theories why Vegeta reacted that way... It seems like from the very beginning he was taught that only the strong survive and the weak deserve to be dead. Something that then continues to be the main rule in his life. He probably has no compassion for his dead race, because if they hadn't been weak they would have survived? That probably made sense in his five year old brain (that had so much input of how he was better than everyone else, because of the royalty and strength he had inherited). (Or he was totally distanced from the anyway.) Exactly these thoughts must have been what kept him alive all these years he had to serve under Frieza. And that, if he would just wait, train, get stronger he would - surely - be stronger one day and make him pay. He only cares for himself, because he has never stopped thinking highly of himself (and doesn't even know how to trust?). He respects absolutely no one. Sorry, I am talking a little cryptic right now and bring up lots of subjects only to drop them again... But there is something that I've always wanted to mention to someone, because it keeps bugging me. Those spacepods... Even though, they are incredibly fast... It takes Nappa and Vegeta one whole year to get from their starting position to Earth. That planet must have been very away, much farther than Namek was from Earth. I think Namek's spaceships weren't as fast as those used by Frieza's organization. Anyway! Just think about the distances you have to travel through, if you work for Frieza, think about the time you have to spend in a spacepod. Time that you spend in a sleeping-state. Do you know where I'm going? How many of the years that Vegeta has been alive did he really spent in an awake/aware state? And how many - how goddamn many weeks, months, maybe years - were lost because of spacetravel? While his body might have been like 30 years old when he came to Earth... is his mind too? How much development did he have in those 25 years in Frieza's organization? I... am talking too much XD
Yes. Yes, I agree. I find it highly unbelievable too and Toriyama probably didn't put that much thought into the whole thing. The only thing that maybe could have been what Raditz meant, is: Once Goku (or any Saiyan infant) had destroyed the planet's civilization during a full moon, they would crawl back into the spacepod which would then take them back to Planet Vegeta. Ah, I dunno ;w; It is not possible to know who and what you are, if no one ever told you.
OK. I watched that said scene now. Duuude, I couldn't remember it AT ALL. I laughed so hard when Nappa said that they could just breed lots of hybrids XD Vegeta didn't seem to dislike the idea that much (does this count as sex-talk between buddies? haha, oh Lord...), but of course he was right that they would also be breeding people stronger than them who could eliminate them. Cautious Vegeta is cautious. But the question would remain: Maybe the Saiyan blood isn't compatible with that of other alien races. Maybe human blood is only an exception of the rule. A lucky exception. Or maybe Nappa meant using Earth woman for the breeding T_T
Hell, Nappa likes running around in his tight, short pants so he probably is like... a total creeper and a exhibitionist that has no damn problem with showing off what he's got during bath time too. And when he's drunk he pastes to everything slightly attractive like he's old bubblegum. XD Who knows, maybe he mistook Raditz for a woman while being wasted and because Nappa is stronger... Yeah, you know XD
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I WOULD LOVE A MOVIE LIKE THAT!! Okay, honestly, if even *Frieza* didn't know that Goku was around, then what is Vegeta basing his "absolute" confirmation that no other Saiyans survived the destruction of their planet? Wouldn't Frieza have that information in his database? It's not like Vegeta had access to information Frieza wouldn't be able to get his own hands on. Raditz had to "remember" his little brother. And Tarble is now considered canon, given that he's directly mentioned in Battle of Gods (which is now canon, thanks Toriyama) so like... I find the idea that there are other surviving Saiyans to be very plausible. As for female super saiyans, there ARE some in Dragonball Online, which is a game that Toriyama developed the story-line for from the ending of DBZ. Takes place 200 years in the future. It's not my cup of tea, and it's not as gratifying if we got to see an adult female super saiyan, but it's closer to what we've seen in fanart for umpteenth years xD
Your analysis on Vegeta speaks true to me--he really does respect absolutely NO one. I'm not sure if he lacks compassion for them because he believed they were weak? Just because he seems to like, revel in his heritage... if he felt they were weak, he'd distinguish himself against them, and not with them. Honestly, he seems like a disconnected, self-driven, self-centered and narcissistic prince. He'd been above them all, so they weren't of much interest to him. And whatever the reason behind his behavior, it's chilling.
Your space pod travel-time observation is really clever surprising --I hadn't even considered that before!! Apparently Earth is "off in the space boonies" and even King Cold was like, "Why would we even go out that far, there's nothing interesting there" when Frieza wanted to take revenge. So I mean, I can see that Vegeta would probably be in stasis for days, weeks, and months--but probably not years, and if he ever did before, it was probably rare. As for accumulated space travel in his life... I agree that in total, he probably lost a few years. I think it'd be far to say something like, 3-5 years at the most. As for how much "development" he had--that's also another VERY interesting question... He's "advanced" in a lot of ways, but also totally stunted in others, and lived most of his life, until arriving at Namek, looking at himself and others through the guage of a scouter, and not with the awareness that everyone he encountered had a much higher potential as an individual than just being a number. Though that whole subset of thinking they adopted from Frieza's army is kind of absurd considering that Saiyans were known to increase their battle strength if they survived near-death injuries... Not sure how well known that must have been, if Nappa and Raditz hadn't capitalized on it to the extent that Vegeta learned to. Saiyans also tended to stay in assignments catered to their own power levels though, so maybe they weren't put up against harder opponents to grow their strength from.
LMAO I'm glad we can both agree the whole "Saiyan Baby KNOW HIS MISSION/CULTURAL BACKGROUND" thing is completely improbable, I'm just... going to say that the Saiyan Space Pod was his "teacher", they're able to retain distant memories, that should have been jogged when he met Raditz, and thaaaat's it. And just let the plot holes stay where they are xD Cuz it's so lazily thought out by Toriyama I could facepalm for an eternity.
As for the breeding thing--um, yeah xD Nappa was very directly referring to them breeding with Earth women. You're definitely right in that it would be a complete anamoly for Saiyans to be able to produce fertile hybrids with alien species--that's a rarity even on our own planet! I guess it WAS kind of like bro-talk xD I mean. I actually created a meme on the event. betaruga.tumblr.com/post/55808β¦ Sorry, but cautious Vegeta in that case is still mind-bogglingly stupid. Oh, and while I'm sharing memes, these are a few more worth tossing your way <3 I see you're on Tumblr too, but I don't see much from you on there? betaruga.tumblr.com/post/55722β¦ and here's a Nappa feminism meme (lmao) betaruga.tumblr.com/post/56551β¦
Oh God. Nappa. Yeah. He's probably an exhibitionist. Not gonna lie. Like I said, Raditz has repressed many a memory xD
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Oh my, you're absolutely right! Even Frieza who should have had a huge database of planets and exact informations about where all those Saiyan babies were sent off to, didn't know about any remaining Saiyans. Or was he being indifferent to those still around? He was so eager to get rid off them... Somehow that really doesn't make that much sense. Maybe he was living in denial. "Eh, now that I've destroyed planet Vegeta there is no way the space pods of those babies can return, because the planet is gone and they are left to die in space."??? What about those who were on a mission at that time? Mmh... okay, Bardock's team got assassinated by Friezas henchmen, so other groups probably got killed the same way?
Vegeta is totally convinced there are no more Saiyans, though. Maybe because he doesn't want there to be more XD Maybe he likes the thought of being the only one (next to Goku and his 'brat' - but he wanted to kill them too). What kind of prince is he anyway and what meaning does being a prince hold when his whole race has become extinct? "I'm the prince of aaaaaall Saiyans. ...and by that I mean just me." Way to go, Vegeta.
Yeah, Raditz had to remember he still had a brother somewhere. And Vegeta didn't even know he had a brother?! (I haven't watched the OVA with Tarble yet, so correct me, if I'm wrong ;o
Same here. There must be some Saiyans around still. Hopefully some (SSJ) females too! I'd totally celebrate that so hard. Even if there are some in the Dragonball Online game you've mention - it's not the same.
For some reason I keep thinking Vegeta only never killed Raditz and Nappa before, because he grew up around them, they were the only ones familiar to him and he still needed them for his plan to defeat Frieza. As long as someone was useful to him in a way, he didn't kill them. I mean... I do believe he felt compassion sometimes, but in a rather twisted way, but mostly he didn't care about what happened to anyone, because most of all his own survival counted. Once he knew that he could become immortal, Nappa lost his value to him and became rather useless. Ah, I don't know. The way I see it the whole Vegeta killing off Nappa was only to show how ~evil~ and merciless Vegeta was, so it's probably pointless to find a deeper meaning in it.
Yes, he's all that you've mentioned. It's the inevitableness of the circumstances he grew up in.
Given that Earth really is somewhere off in space boonies my 'years of travel' might be a little too off. But then again I remembered that Vegeta has been sent on missions since he was a child. So he has about 25 years of "work experience" by the time he comes to Earth. Let's say he only spends like six months a year with space travel for missions and the other 6 months are the times he takes it easy or trains on a random planet or at one of Frieza's space bases. 25 years x 6 months = 150 months / 12 months a year = 12,5 years?? I'm terrible at maths, I'm not even kidding, so please correct me here again, if I'm wrong XD Even if he only spends 3 months a year with space travel, he loses about 6 years of his life.
I don't have the slightest clue how much development he's missed in the end, but I agree with you about him being stunted in some ways. And I hadn't thought about it that way before! But of course, as you say, most people were actually just defined by a number on a scouter for him. How sad. But explains how little worth everyone weaker than him had.
It is absurd, yes. My guess would be that Saiyans just didn't survive often enough to become stronger after a fight. Either they were killed in a fight or a lot stronger than their opponent, so they didn't get seriously injured to have a power up after being healed like you've already said. I doubt they had that kind of health technology before encountering Frieza, so if someone was seriously injured... what were their chances to recover? So they had that certain potential in them, but most Saiyans weren't lucky enough to profit from it. Which could also explain why a Super Saiyan was said to only appear every thousand years. But with that health technology Raditz, Nappa and Vegeta actually should have been able to power up a lot once they've noticed the positive effects. Mmh...
Haha; it's better to just think of the Saiyan Space Pod being the "teacher" to a baby xD That plot can't possibly be filled otherwise. So don't facepalm anymore, that will only deform your face XD
Aaaah, Nappa going on a rape tour on Earth... Whyyyyy. I mean, seriously... The only thing he knew was that breeding worked fine with humans. HE HAD NO IDEA WHAT HUMANS LOOKED LIKE. They could have been insect like or whatever or... oh God, why do I think that Nappa wouldn't have cared so much XD Ah.
Eh, maybe little Veggie was ashamed, because he never ~danced the mating dance~ before and didn't want Nappa to know, so he said breeding was a stupid idea even though it wasn't, because they would have been immortal at that time anyway and I'm totally making that up right now XD But yay, bro-talk.
Girl, all of the memes are absolutely brilliant and hilarious! You earn all the prices. I'm totally having stomach ache from laughing right now... XD "Ballin'" The feminist meme is completely justified, though!! Never understood why 18 remains the only strong female fighter in DBZ and even she doesn't get enough attention.
You don't see much from me on Tumblr? I don't post that much, that's true ;w; But maybe my posts also disappear somewhere between the posts of everyone else you're following?
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Lmao glad you dig those memes xD Hmm, I saw a post from you the other day, so maybe I just miss them for the most part? Anyway, I absolutely LOVE your subtitle correction for DBZ and when you break down the nuance in the script--if you ever did that more or even a live blog *__* I would die.
As for Nappa's rape frenzy, I think he knew Saiyans resembled humans because of Raditz comments that Goku was able to blend in without his tail. That and the Earthlings werent immediately like "OMG A MONSTER" or "WHAT IS HE". Personally, I think that the breeding oversight on Vegeta's part had more to do with Toriyama keeping Dragonball a shonen series xD CUZ YEAH. I think that was the only blatant reference to rape in the entire franchise.
Hmm, the whole injury-power up theory is neat isn't it... I imagine Saiyans being tougher than Neaderthals, who were notorious for being able to survive and flourish after horrific injuries modern humans couldn't shrug off without medical attention. I could see the Saiyan population growing in strength while working for Frieza more quickly than they did before working for him. Anger being the impetus for transformation is key too--as is the fact that PAIN (emotional) seems to be the driving emotion behind the anger trigger that sets off SSJ. (The fact that kid Goten and Trunks did it over NOTHING cheapened everything though IMO--I could buy the fact that they were so young if the entire kid SSJ deal wasn't so trivial.) Anyway, the combo of much higher than Saiyan average power level and ability to feel emotional pain (or extreme fear, which can also fuel anger) at the right time and place was probably what made it SO rare... And as for the "viewing your potential at birth, can never rise above" culture the Saiyans had directly conflicting with their ability to grow stronger after facing difficult opponents is...probably more a case of Toriyama writing himself out of a corner (he intended to end DBZ with the Saiyan Saga, so yeah.)
And man, the whole "kill of Bardock's team but leave Raditz and Kakarotto alive" thing is just--agh, inconsistencies all around xD Not what I'd call mindful writing... Vegeta didn't forget about Tarble however (you still haven't seen it? Has VB moments, YouTube it in Japanese!!) he was all, "Didnt father send you off to some weak planet for not being able to fight?", etc.
Great breakdown on the usefulness point around why Vegeta killed Nappa and left Raditz to rot in Hell--as well as the space travel bit! At least 6 years of his life. Wow.
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I'm puzzled, because you say you saw 'a' post from me the other day, because I see you occasionally liking some of my posts and we even talked on Tumblr before. Maybe you don't know that one person there is me? Trying to talk to you and so? ;~; I have two separate tumblr accounts (because I wanted two dashboards), one of them is itoshii-sanagi and the other one is shakunetsu.
Ah, doing a live-blog sounds so tempting. I'd love to give it a try, although it'll most likely not be worth dying for, believe me xD;; Also... where should I start from? The very beginning? Or maybe just⦠the whole Buu Saga? Mmmh... Aynway: Thank you! I'm so, so happy you feel that way about the subtitle correction etc.!!
Of course! That's how he knew. Man, you're so right. Kinda wonder, if Nappa felt a little sad, though. Finally a chance to come across women who look similar to Saiyans and he won't get a chance to lay his hands upon one.
That's a brilliant theory with the Neanderthals! And it would make so much sense! Saiyans, as a true warrior race, must have some kind of genetic specialty which helps them recover from injuries after all. Not from life-threatening ones, but those a human wouldn't survive. Maybe their bones grow together quicker, and they don't have to deal with diseases like tetanus. Their bones might be more robust than humans' to begin with.
Disappointing, wasn't it? That Trunks and Goten went SSJ over no real reasons. Even Vegeta thought it was laughable. Considering the hard work and pain he, Goku and Gohan had to go through to become one... Goten was most likely conceived with Goku being in the SSJ state, maybe that could be an explanation how he was able to go SSJ at such a young age later on. But it doesn't make any sense with Trunks. Especially not as his future counter-part needed a real emotional disaster to happen to him first... Eh, it's just ridiculous.
That's exactly what I imagined to be the key for the transformation. It doesn't really matter which kind of emotional pain functions as the catalyst once the power level reached a certain point, but it has to be a moment where the person snaps, with their mind going blank. It could be that, because the SSJ is so vigorous, it is kind of a protective mechanism that one can not simply unlock these powers willfully.
There is so much more potential in the whole Saiyan race - their lifestyles, their personalities, their social interactions, the way their body functions etc etc... but Toriyama decided to do a lot of other things instead of going deeper into that... But I'll be crying internally over the wasted opportunities he had with the series and so many of its features forever. So, yeah... he definitely wrote himself out of a corner there too.
I still haven't seen the Tarble OVA, yes xD; However, I have it on my hard-drive. Oh, I should just watch it tonight, I guess. And hey, maybe I can live-blog that! haha I could need some V/B and funny moments anyway.
Glad you liked that part!
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Vegeta shaving cracks me up, I'll only watch that one part in GT and ignore the rest of the show.
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I've never even seen that part. I should go youtube that.
And yeah, him shaving and getting to see Android 17 again were basically the highlights of that series
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