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BadMillennial [2016-11-29 21:57:43 +0000 UTC]

Wisconsin will rise again. Around noon. After the hangover subsides. When the fish fry is done THEN Wisconsin will rise.

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the-black-cat [2012-06-01 01:42:09 +0000 UTC]

I suppose you live in the south. Me too, so this is a common sight here. Actually, this is part of the state flag of the state where I currently live - maybe it's the only one to still have it. A vote several years ago to change the flag due to it being offensive (or "offensive") was taken, but there weren't enough (representative) votes to change it.

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BlutEisen In reply to the-black-cat [2012-06-01 01:46:02 +0000 UTC]

Yes, it is. Just part of the scenery, honestly.

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Chaosfive-55 [2012-01-30 00:30:47 +0000 UTC]

was probably the finest man who ever took up arms in the service of his homeland...

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BlutEisen In reply to Chaosfive-55 [2012-01-30 00:32:46 +0000 UTC]

In some ways I think he's just a bit over glorified here....but yeah, I agree.

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Chaosfive-55 In reply to BlutEisen [2012-01-30 00:36:29 +0000 UTC]

Many heroes are overlionized, true--but he was one of a kind! So many documented anecdotes about him...at Chancellorsville, his greatest victory, he gave all the credit to his officers and men; after the debacle of the third day at Gettysburg, he took all the blame on himself.

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BlutEisen In reply to Chaosfive-55 [2012-01-30 00:38:05 +0000 UTC]

Let us not forget the man behind the man: Stonewall Jackson.

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Chaosfive-55 In reply to BlutEisen [2012-01-30 00:39:31 +0000 UTC]

We will NEVER forget Old Blue Light! That was a warrior!

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BlutEisen In reply to Chaosfive-55 [2012-01-30 00:43:44 +0000 UTC]

"let us cross over the river and rest under the shade of the trees." -Stonewall Jackons, dying words.

Best death quote ever.

Unlike Sedgwick's...."What? Men dodging this way for single bullets? What will you do when they open fire along the whole line? I am ashamed of you. They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist-" --Before getting shot in the left eye.

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Chaosfive-55 In reply to BlutEisen [2012-01-30 00:50:39 +0000 UTC]

Jackson's last words were intensely moving and beautiful...but Sedgwick's last words are funny as hell! But the demise of the latter is a perfect illustration of how stupidly that war was fought, on both sides; why couldn't they see that the tactics of the time had been rendered obsolete by the range and accuracy of the new weaponry? The casualties could have been much less had they adapted...behold the oxymoron of Military Intelligence. The same shit went down in World War I...

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BlutEisen In reply to Chaosfive-55 [2012-01-30 00:56:23 +0000 UTC]

I remember talking going to the Citadel and talking to the Civil War professor about this.

He explained it to me like this: In the 17th century, armies were still fighting with pikes, with musket men being used to pepper the enemy. The main "fighting" was done in melee. This mentality dragged over into 18th century, when the socket bayonet was invented, and musketmen were still expected to charge into the fray and give the enemy the "cold steel". Relatively decent plan, considering you couldn't hit the broad-side of a barn past 150 meters.

Anyhow, this did not go well after the proliferation of rifling, which made the civil war muskets lethal up and beyond 600 meters, and the invention of the Mine Ball, which caused much more damage than a traditional lead ball.

Anyhow, the idea of "giving the cold steel" was still there, so engagements often ended up being decided by commanders who charged their brigades straight into the fray, only to get mowed down....

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Chaosfive-55 In reply to BlutEisen [2012-01-30 00:59:01 +0000 UTC]

Yes! All the way until the infamous WWI charges between the trenches, infantry against machine guns! All for nothing...

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BlutEisen In reply to Chaosfive-55 [2012-01-30 01:06:30 +0000 UTC]

Have you ever been to Gettysburg, by any chance?

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Chaosfive-55 In reply to BlutEisen [2012-01-30 01:11:32 +0000 UTC]

No! I wish...

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BlutEisen In reply to Chaosfive-55 [2012-01-30 01:13:23 +0000 UTC]

I did not imagine it to be so small....

I always thought of it like this epic, huge battle.

Comparatively........it's not really that big at all.

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Chaosfive-55 In reply to BlutEisen [2012-01-30 01:22:11 +0000 UTC]

No doubt it felt bigger with all the fighting!

...I'd like to look around Waterloo, or Agincourt...

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BlutEisen In reply to Chaosfive-55 [2012-01-30 01:27:26 +0000 UTC]

I was a bit disappointed with Agnicourt too....

It's just a farm field now....

Where a french farmer plants his crops....They have a nice little museum and shop but.....that's just about it.

*sigh*

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Chaosfive-55 In reply to BlutEisen [2012-01-30 01:32:46 +0000 UTC]

They ought at least to set up a memorial to all the flower of French chivary who got mowed down that day...

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BlutEisen In reply to Chaosfive-55 [2012-01-30 01:37:03 +0000 UTC]

Well......

The French were flying the "Oriflamme" or the flag for "No Quarter" to be given. Not exactly chivalry right there....

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Chaosfive-55 In reply to BlutEisen [2012-01-30 01:40:32 +0000 UTC]

Henry V had no business invading France, beating that dead horse of a claim to a double crown...if you can find it, read Henry V: The Scourge of God by Desmond Seward--he dismantles the myth of the Hero-King with sardonic relish.

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BlutEisen In reply to Chaosfive-55 [2012-01-30 01:44:09 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I know. I don't really see Henry V as a hero, per-say. He was a man, just like anyone else, trying to expand the realm of his Kingdom. Much like any medieval King.

Speaking of, have you heard? There is a referendum being drawn up in the English Parliament that cast a vote for Scottish Independence in 2014. Scotland could have it's freedom again for the first time since 1707.

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Chaosfive-55 In reply to BlutEisen [2012-01-30 02:40:19 +0000 UTC]

That would be cool! Wales, next!!

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BlutEisen In reply to Chaosfive-55 [2012-01-30 02:41:59 +0000 UTC]

Probably less likely.......

More likely Cornwall would be more apt to gain independence than Wales...

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Chaosfive-55 In reply to BlutEisen [2012-01-30 23:22:00 +0000 UTC]

Ancient, ghost-haunted Cornwall...

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BlutEisen In reply to Chaosfive-55 [2012-01-31 00:12:52 +0000 UTC]

Trelawney!

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Chaosfive-55 In reply to BlutEisen [2012-01-31 00:21:46 +0000 UTC]

Old King Mark, the bastard...Tristan and Isold...

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BlutEisen In reply to Chaosfive-55 [2012-01-31 00:25:16 +0000 UTC]

Let us not forget King Arthur. The REAL King Arthur.

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Chaosfive-55 In reply to BlutEisen [2012-01-31 00:28:25 +0000 UTC]

Indeed!!!

...have I ever recommended The Warlord Chronicles by Bernard Cornwell? The Winter King, Enemy of God, Excalibur...best Arthur novels ever written!!!

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BlutEisen In reply to Chaosfive-55 [2012-01-31 00:55:27 +0000 UTC]

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Chaosfive-55 In reply to BlutEisen [2012-01-31 00:56:38 +0000 UTC]

"I'LL BITE YOUR LEGS OFF!!"

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BlutEisen In reply to Chaosfive-55 [2012-01-31 01:20:10 +0000 UTC]

Monty Python is awesome....

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Chaosfive-55 In reply to BlutEisen [2012-01-31 01:23:06 +0000 UTC]

Amen!

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