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Left side utopia: represents society as it is today. Everywhere are signs of our moral decay and collapse. The signs that we are not living a good way. We are separated from nature. The sky is a mind numbing blue, like our culture, always trying to calm us down like our planet isnβt dying everyday. Here we are controlled. The sun is raised, this is showing that civilization is at its peak.No state or governemnt can harness and control the human instinct forever. We want to be individuals, to have freedom. yet no state will ever respect this, therefore the state must be abolished.
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I like this piece a lot. And I agree with what you wrote in the description.
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i am amazed that very few people have seen this
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Now, that's art. Finally, we see symbolism to the fullest, on a subject we feel strongly about. Love. Keep that mind of yours in tact. Visit me and my gallery soon!
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Man that city on the right looks so awesome, I can't wait to live in a post-apocalyptic city in ruins where people live like rats and chaos reigns. Sounds like an awesome thing to look forward to
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Although not a graphic prodigy, I guess in the sense that a world without restraints will render graphic elitism redundant.
...Really makes one think.
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I'm sorry, but this is a terrible peice of artwork. Why? Because the artist is a fool. I detest it when immiture fools like you give actual INTELLIGENT socialists/anarchists/marxists/environme ntalists/whatever a bad name. You clearly know nothing about the world or how to change it.
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You might be right, I may know nothing about the world. How do you believe the world works? How can we change it?
How can I stop the machine (technology, civilization) from destroying our environment?
I know that the buffalo are all dead. I know that our fish contain mercury in their skin because of our industries. I know that the wild is being reduced to nothing. I know that 90% of our forests are gone.
Am I a fool?
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kool picture man, I dig the idea behind it tho unfortunetly the mostly likely outcome of the destruction of society would be a ten-fold destruction of nature. To destroy our technological societies in entirety would require the use of technoligcal means of destruction (ie. explosives) and this, accompanied by all the toxic chemical in our society that would leak out into earth after the destruction, would poison the earth like nothing we have yet experienced. I was thinking the other night, about how industrial society could be crippled, if the lesser-developed nations of the world who possesed our vital fuels realized that the tho they made money of selling us these fuels that they ultimately suffered from it, cuz they were selling the fuel to power the engines of their own oppression. But if they were to deny the advanced industrial world access to the fuels, countries like ours would without a doubt steal it from them with military force. Hence the only way to to truly cut of these fuel sources would be to set them ablaze, but this would damage the environment around them so drastically that they would likely not be able to produce food. They woould have destroyed techniological existence, but in the process poisoned the means of living with nature. How to transition from an industrial way of life back to a natural one, w/o destroying nature in the process, is perhaps then the greatest challenege of the modern revolutionary. And then of course there's the moral issue that a large segiment of the population would have to die in the process as well, as nature (without the the application of technology) could likely not support anythign close to 6 billion people. It would be foolish to believe that there would not be prejudice on the part of those who self-endowed themselves with the right to decide who would live and die. Your message is powerful, but perhaps a bit simplistic. It's to let the frustration of living in the vast meaninglessness of our society transform itself into anger, aggression and destruction, but would this not in many ways just being destruction to appease your personal desires, much the same as the destruction currently being committed by the powers that be in their desire to maintain that power.
Oh and in response to some of the other responses: Fuck Zazis! Fuck Zionism! and Fuck any belief that holds one people superior and another inferior.
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Wow! you actually have made me question myself. let me start by saying thanks. Thanks.
First off, your right. Explosives do tend to harm the environment and will just further polarize people into fear and needing a government to protect them. Very true, unfortunately. But, there is method to a simplistic madness. No matter what happens, humans are not really that important. Just think that way and you will be where I am at. Just imagine all the animals that are slaughtered and all of the tribals that were killed all over the world. Honestly, we deserve a terrible terrible and brutal destruction.
In regards to "what will happen after civilization is destroyed when the strong prey upon the weak" I have a short and comment from my favorite philosopher, Ted.
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Yeah, your right, many will die, the strong will consume the weak. But I really don't care anymore, it's worth it, all of it is worth it. Even if I die, life will go on happy again without this HUGE prison.
The environment may be destroyed a little more, but those are just fumes. Fumes are a small price to pay to set the planet free. Nuclear fallout is a different story.
If it all fell down though, could it possibly be worse than this??? millions would die every day, but would that be any different than it already is???
Thanks for the comment, leme know what you think about mine!
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make it a reality.
thanks for the comment. it's good to see someone else dream the same things.
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nice job...by the way i think you know my good friend mastafoo!
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thank you. your friend mastafoo is a pretty cool. I'm sure you are the same.
by the way, I like the animation in your avatar. It kind of reminds me of that "10 minutes of hate" from george orwell's novel, 1984. I think the man's name was goldstein...
pretty creative though, i dig it. now it's time to check out your page.
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hehe buildings influenced by random terror acts : P pretty cool picture
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ya, you gota love those terrorist acts. i have the oklahoma city bombing in there next to the crazy duplicate guy (my split personality).
thanks for the comment
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While ideally I'd want to see all government abolished, I don't think it's possible. I know it worked 300000 years ago, but that was before there'd been any civilization at all. People know civilization now, and not everyone feels the same way about it. There's not much point in wiping out those who oppose total anarchy, because for one thing that's just more authoritarianism, and therefore hypocrisy, and for another people are dishonest. No one would fess up and accept their death. I don't mean "no one" literally, of course. Some would feel moved to die for their beliefs, as would many on the other side of the coin.
But others would keep quiet. There would be secret societies and such, and uprisings in an attempt to reestablish government. Whether or not they would actually obtain authority over EVERYONE is irrelevant. There would still be "government" of sorts within those groups, and then the people on the other side would either band together in an effort to defend themselves from their more organized adversaries (Strength in numbers. Not wanting to die is human nature), or they would stick to their original virtues and eventually be wiped out.
If the former were to happen, then obviously people would be organized into social systems again, however primitive. If the latter, then the same thing would ultimately happen. There would just be fewer people left on the planet. That's what happened to the Native Americans. Not saying they were wrong, in fact I admire them greatly, but things obviously didn't work out for them.
Therefore, if civilization were abolished, it would only be a matter of time before it resurfaced, and would probably be worse. In a perfect world, yeah, I'd love for things to be as you say they should be, but it just wouldn't work.
Sorry if all this has already been said. Couldn't be fucked to read all the comments.
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here is my intelectual response in apology to the non-sense that I wrote previously.
It sounds like what you are saying is that our natural evolution is to seperate ourselves from nature. As though we were born to exploit it and utilize our environment for the perpetuation of our species alone. Have we really been born to conquer nature and domesticate the universe?
If you believe this, then you must believe that humans are inevitably flawed. If our place in evolution is to be a cancer of the biological community, then you must really understand that our doom is already assured.
I want to give you hope. I want to show you that our evolution extends beyond civilization, beyond a cancerous existance. If we can create such an insane ideology of mass consumption through hierarchy, we can certainly dismantle it. Am I wrong?
If I am wrong, then our proceeding generations are already in a very morbid place. A pre-destined fate that they can not avoid.
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I'm currently homeless and am participating in a protest in a half an hour. My anarchist collective has no computers so it is hard for me to reply often.
please forgive my delayed replies. Your comment appears to be very intellectual and deep. I love responding to ones like yours. But right now I am on the libary's computer and they are kicking me off.
Take care, i'll reply soon.
-Dominic
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I like you idea and it's represented well in that artwork
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thank you very much, i'll try to make more like it.
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Btw:
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nice, isnt? and no one know that...
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that is insane! my friends are laughing their asses off.
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Wow, very great commenting, puts it out for the onlooker to read easily. Great work, I'm not an anarhist, but this does make sense to me. This is so wonderful
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thank you! i appreciate your comment and i am over-joyed to see it make sense to someone.
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Why, has no one else seen it?
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people see it, but a lot of people want to argue about anarchism and how it won't work. they say shit like, "anarchism will never work, it's chaos and we need a government to control us".
dude, humans lived as anarchists for 300,000 years in comparison to our civilized existence that has been around for only 10,000 and won't last another 200 years if we continue on at this pace. the facts are everywhere, we are killing the world, kind of like a cancer...
but that's ok i guess, i just gota let them think what they want. it's only a matter of time before they read some of the same books that i have read.
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No, people lived within tribes, within small communities of hunters, gatherers, and/or scavengers. Even the first humaniods, before homosapians, have left evidence behind of their small communities.
There was always a sense of hierarchy which lead to a natural evolution of high government with the increase in population.
People did not live an anarchist existence before the first major civilizations.
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i have anthropological fact that proves what i say. Mainstream anthorpology states very clearly that tribal communities are in no way "hierarchal". A tribe consists of a leader, however, there are no social classes.
you may not understand the concept of anarchism, which consists of people living in tribes. All i can tell you is that this existence worked for 300,000 years, with out population growth.
There was always a sense of hierarchy which lead to a natural evolution of high government with the increase in population.
explain how there was a natural evolution toward high government. (hierarchal systems flourished in south america and mexico, yet these civilization gave up because they did not like the life they were living. Civilization is a concept that alienates humans from nature and that did not produce happiness which ultimately led to the abandonment that we have seen in several civilization's histories.)
it is commonly known that only one civilization succeeded, which is ours - the "east" and "west". We systematically consumed every tribal community and replaced their lands with agriculture. This created population growth.
what has population growth done for us?
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If there is a tribal leader there is a hiarchy.
As for your 300,000 years comment, that may or may not be true, but we are not small tribal communities. To apply this today is unrealistic.
The natural order that I mentioned grew because of population growth. Socieities of vast numbers of people do not accept anarchy because it leads to chaos. And I know you hate when people say that, but without rules set forth by a society in densly populated areas chaos is all one has left.
Recent history proves this... The Wild West was wild because of anarchy. There were towns with no form of government. The mob ruled because of this as did the lynch mob, and back then the West wasn't even a quarter as populated as it is today.
We systematically consumed every tribal community and replaced their lands with agriculture. This created population growth.
Not true. First, people replaced their own tribes with an agricultural society that develeoped naturally and this can easily be seen throughout the last 3,000 years in Europe.
Also the word "replace" is incorrect. The reason population grew is because of farming. When humans learned to successfuly farm communites grew near the farms because they supplied a source of food. From there cities developed.
In other words, nothing was replaced (which is what it seems you mean by your use of the word, consume) except in the losest sense of the word. This was a natural growth. When humans farmed it naturally became easier to obtain food. Tribes therefore settled down and stopped migrating. In turn they had larger families, which in turn caused an upswing in population.
it is commonly known that only one civilization succeeded, which is ours - the "east" and "west".
That is like saying it is commonly known that only one empire succeeded, which is the USA because it's still here. Empires, socieites, everything has a life cycle. Whole cities that once belonged to civilizations have been dug up throughout the last 100 years. History shows the fall of civilizations is a natural occrance as is the rise of new civilizations.
what has population growth done for us?
Doesn't matter what it's done for us, the fact is it's here and cannot be dealt with through anarchy.
Also with anarchy there would be no space program which in turn means there would be no prosthetic limbs for people. There would be no cures for diseases, no way of helping the poor, no way to supply food to the masses we have today. Governments have orginized and funded all of these things by both collecting taxes and forming resources.
There's a saying... "If men were angles there would be no need of government."
But we aren't angles.
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but without rules set forth by a society in densly populated areas chaos is all one has left.
I agree with this actually. but it is our job to make them un-populated. many people have different theories on how we can do this, but none have worked thus far. the tribal revolution is still in effect and it appears to work.
people actually live in tribes with in the cities these days. I met one in Austin.
If there is a tribal leader there is a hiarchy.
Hierarchy is defined by it's social classes and constant inflow of labor for the social classes. look it up.
tribals do not do this. everyone is equal. no one works for anyone else.
Not true. First, people replaced their own tribes with an agricultural society that develeoped naturally and this can easily be seen throughout the last 3,000 years in Europe.
what about the Semites, The Mayan, The aztecs, The African Tribes (bushmen ect.) ,The 300+ Native American tribes and the Eskimos? what about the Austrailian Aboriginals?
(by the way, Pagans were slaughtered in Europe by the thousands)
what i ment by "east and west" was that our civilization wiped out everything in it's path and utilized the land for it's own perpetuation.
also, i have some population statistics for you...
-The world's population climbed above 6 billion in 1999.
-The 1990s added a billion people. The next decade will add 1.5 billion. This adds 2.5 billion in 20 years.
-The world consuption of toilet paper accounts for 72000 acres of woodland per day.
-The Conservancy Council suggest that between 1949 and 1990, 40 per cent of Britain's ancient woodland disappeared.
-Britain has lost half its ancient woodland in the past 40 years.
-It can take 3000 -12000 years to produce a sufficient depth of mature soil for farming.
-Soils take a long time to form, perhaps up to 400 years for 10mm and under extreme conditions, 100 years for 1 mm !
-India loses some 12 billion tons of soil each year.
-Estimates suggest that 7% of the world's top soil is lost each year.
-Across many Western countries, asthma cases among small children have increased 80% over the last 20 years due to increased traffic exhaust fumes.
-In London in December 1952, 3900 people died in five days due to smog.
-Since 1955, at least 70000 new chemicals have been released into the environment
-It is estimated that between 2000-10000 deaths in the UK are accelerated by particulate pollution from the burning of diesel in vehicles.
-Since 1950 it is estimated that humankind has consumed more natural resources - and produced more pollution and waste than in all its previous history.
-Each year 3 million tonnes of acid pollution are blown into Canada from the USA. (the US is considered to be one of the cleanest nations in the world...)
-The ten warmest years in the last 130 all occurred in the last 2 decades of the Twentieth Century - at least three of these were recorded in the 1990s.
-Four out of five trees in Germany's Black Forest have been damaged by acid rain.
-Rain in Europe now contains up to 80 times more acid rain than in 1950.
we are consuming the planet at a steady pace as our populations increase to utilize the resources that we produce. population and environmental exploitation go hand in hand with civilization. every resource is used for the good of mankind.
Your are 100% right when you say that chaos would not work in today's world to limit population growth. but with permaculture and tribal living, we can escape the economy and grow a minimal amount of food to sustain individual life rather than mass production.
"If men were angles there would be no need of government."
that is a cool saying. but that is a place where many people differ. some believe that humans are flawed, other do not. I do not believe that people are beyond saving them selves if you give them the freedom to do so.
men were not angels when we survived for 3 million years previous to civilization, so why must they be angels now?
another thing I would like to bring up is that chaos is happening right now. Our children are indoctrinated by government institutions such as school, while voters elect a president that in no way differs from the opponent.
I'll bet your a republican and you want freedoms, like all americans. We should be free. Yet, are we not living in chaos and anarchy already? we are enslaving ourselves and our children with this unhappy and degrading life-style that has the attributes of the bibles "revelation".
i have a few questions for you palluzi, don't take offense...
did you have a job in the past year (what was it)?
are you religious(which religion)?
are you democrat or republican or indepenent?
what is your age?
what social class do you belong to?
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So we don't keep going back and forth I'm just going to respond to this...
i have a few questions for you palluzi, don't take offense...
did you have a job in the past year (what was it)?
None taken
did you have a job in the past year (what was it)?
Yes. I formed a not-for-profit and I became self employeed.
are you religious(which religion)?
Christian, but not religious in the least.
are you democrat or republican or indepenent?
I lean Republican, and by that I am saying I am not a conservative. In the next election I'm voting for a Democrat for mayor and I'm voting to reelect Senator Charles Schumer(D)
A few years back I voted for Perot because I knew he was going to lose, but I hoped if he got enough votes Clinton might listen to some of his economic ideas (I knew Clinton was going to win)
what is your age?
I don't say on line.
what social class do you belong to?
Lower middle class
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i respect your outlook, but i don't believe that supporting a way of life that has destoyed our planet is any type of a solution.
by the way, did you get a chance to read any of those statistics that i sent you?
also, what type of not-for-profit business do you run? I can understand your position more clearly now. As a self-employed person you see human progress as a good thing. That is fine, it is how you were raised. I don't expect you to break away from it, it's really not easy.
i wish you luck with your self-employment though. it's not an easy thing start.
i respect that you can change party affiliations in certain situations.
As a republican though, aren't you an economic freedom person? typically republicans are more freedom oriented.
also, what was your answer to what i said about all the tribal killings that occured in the history of every nation in the world?
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i respect your outlook, but i don't believe that supporting a way of life that has destoyed our planet is any type of a solution.
If populations were getting drastically smaller I might agree with you, but they're not so what choice do we have? e have to deal with what is as opposed to what we wish could be. We'v been told for years now that we should slow down our population growth and people aren't listening.
I don't, though, believe our planet is destroyed. Nature will always bounce back and the planet will out live humans (there have been two or three major extinctions, one destroyed about 90% of life on the planet and look at how it sprung back. At some point humans will be gone and the cycle will begin again)
by the way, did you get a chance to read any of those statistics that i sent you?
I only got to glance at it last night (this morning actually) just before I went to sleep and since then I've been working, but I will look it over more carefully.
also, what type of not-for-profit business do you run?
Here...
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I can understand your position more clearly now. As a self-employed person you see human progress as a good thing. That is fine, it is how you were raised. I don't expect you to break away from it, it's really not easy.
i wish you luck with your self-employment though. it's not an easy thing start.
i respect that you can change party affiliations in certain situations.
Thanks.
As a republican though, aren't you an economic freedom person? typically republicans are more freedom oriented.
Yes.
also, what was your answer to what i said about all the tribal killings that occured in the history of every nation in the world?
I agree that they did happen, I also believe that cultures in and of themselves transformed into new types of cultures as well.
There are two books I honestly think you might really like... I read them so long ago that I should read them again.
The Time Before History by, Colin Tudge
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In The Time Before History, award-winning science writer Colin Tudge tells the fascinating story of one of the most turbulent and colorful periods in the evolution of the planet, when human beings progressed from simians to hominids and laid the foundations of modern life. Line drawings
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Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies by, Jared Diamond
From the Publisher
Why did Eurasians conquer, displace, or decimate Native Americans, Australians, and Africans, instead of the other way around? In this groundbreaking work, an evolutionary biologist dismantles racially-based theories and reveals the environmental factors actually responsible for history's broadest patterns. A whirlwind tour through 13,000 years of human history, beginning when Stone Age hunter-gatherers constituted the entire population. Here is a truly a world history, brilliantly written and radically new.
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i'll go pick up those books today or tommorow when i go to the store. Thanks for the recoomendation.
I don't, though, believe our planet is destroyed. Nature will always bounce back and the planet will out live humans (there have been two or three major extinctions, one destroyed about 90% of life on the planet and look at how it sprung back. At some point humans will be gone and the cycle will begin again)
i agree with you very much. nature will out live civilization. but why should you and i wait on the side lines while our miserable existence continues to another generation? There has to be another way.
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Okay,.. I know I have some spelling errors there, but I do know that Angles was supposed to be Angels.
Of course if we were Angles there would be no need of government either because we'd have a hard time walking to work.
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Yeah man, I totally see what you're saying. I mean, how will civilization be wiped out? Probably through a war involving weapons of mass destruction or something similar. And we have those wars because we disagree with another country over one thing or another. However, we wouldn't have these wars if we didn't have opposing governments. Government=war and war=destruction and destruction=the end of civilization
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yep, it is preety much all true,
the chaos theroy went down to zero during world war one. then it started again, world war two, then it started again...
but some predict it will go down to zero...
and stay there...
permanently...
i hate to face up to it...
but if we, OUR generation dont do suming about it,
then it is over,
Bush aint helping,
no one is really...
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your right, bush really isn't helping. yet then again no president has ever helped. authority and control has never really helped anything aside from keeping people ignorant of our existance as a cancer of the planet.
i think that our generation is opening their eyes to see what the hierarchal system has done to our species, but very slowly. it might not be happening as quickly as we would like, but nothing good ever comes easily.
i share your discontent with mainstream society and it's ignorance. untill recently i had given up hope, but then I met a tribe in austin that worked and successfully reduced pollution, waste ect. they all worked together to repair their environment and produce their own food. they may not have been a huge force, but they escaped from a life of non-stop slavery. in essence, they gave our authoritarian rulers the middle finger and extinguished the indoctrination that held them as materialistic zombies of the system.
mabey we can stop it in time. but civilization took 10,000 years to bring us this diciplined way of life, perhaps it will take 10,000 years to liberate ourselves and our brothers/sisters from this mental slavery.
"Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds." - Bob Marley
that guy was one cool ass rasta.
fight on, escape. good luck phaze. [link] (Primitivism Essays)
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thanx..
great essay....
in a sentence, civillization is the new barbarianism...
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barbaric is a good word, but i might use cancerous instead. your right though.
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yes. cults and other world wide organisatzion who manipulate thru tv, magazines and so on (greetings to george bush). like wu tang said: "it's a perfect scum'...the good are the bad, and the bad are the good.. full rotaded world.
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the more i listen to that song the more i agree with it. i agree, fuck world wide organizations and tv networks.
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yes, but most of them are drunken today, have theire own egoistic world..but at the end there are innocently, becoz the ruler of this world are the one's who spread all that lies and spread the people between black and white, rich and poor, beauty and ugly, better and badly... everyone should earn respect and peace. the manipulation worked fine.
love decreasing, hate increasing..
the world is one...
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ohh, so your talking about cults? i see.
love decreasing, hate increasing..
the world is one...
well said. i agree.
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slaveowners, wannabe gods who control us everyday, stupefying by tv, genmanipulated food, the wolfs hunt the sheeps...666 is here..
get "wu-tang clan - impossible" ([link] )
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wow, that was a bad ass song. i downloaded it and i agree with it's message a lot. It's very depressing to think that all that turmoil is only the "tip of the iceburg". but to stop it all is our goal, to end that suffering and chaos. no civilized institution is capable of accomplishing this, and they have proved it to us year after year.
thankyou for the comment and for the song recommendation.
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oh yes, it's realy only "a tip of the iceburg", there are so much things behind that shit, a real 666 world. i think we can't stop it, we can only try to open the eyes of others, but the end come's surely. but as i posted at the other comment; the spirit life's forever....and our fight will be recompenced, thru our dreams for a real paradise....
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lets hope that we get our paradise one day, but i'd rather get it while i'm still alive. civilization will fall, but we can soften that fall greatly if we can manage to think indepentent from the system.
i share that dream of paradise, where we don't have bosses or taxes or crazy people robbing us. but we can make that happen, it's just a matter of dispelling ignorance from the indoctrinated minds of our friends and family.
keep dreamin, it's the best form of escape.
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