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Decided battle between Spawn and freeza, Spawn always triumphs because he is the ultimate character in the universe
Β I drew this all on paper, then outlined, scanned and colored etc in Sketchbook pro.Β
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DUDE I LOVE THIS! SPAWN is one of my favorite!!!!
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Thanks so much! i love spawn so much to! i want to make 1000 more pieces where he destroys even more characters haha
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Dude, that would be awesome!!! Id pay for that XD
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haha glad to hear that! well, keep an eye out
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Hmm, I think Spawn could take this in a real fight due to all the sins Frieza did.
Great drawing BTW!
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yeah he really could
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thanks fellow old fart haha. getting back in the game
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thank you so much. appreciated!
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The spawn looks very good, and the highlights look good too.
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thanks
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Spawn would always win, he dethroned both Satan and God, and he killed Kratos.
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Oh. Well in that case, he lost.
BIG TIME.
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No, Spwan defeated god and banished him and Satan from earth.
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Yes, that is what the comic story is, but the book they get the material to write the comic with, the source material, says that God wins.Β
No one can banish God. Even if a comic says so.
That's just to make Satan feel better.
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Well anyway Spawn beat Kratos, a guy who single handedly anhialated Olympus.
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Right. 
But the idea of someone beating Satan (especially Spawn) is ridiculous, because Spawn IS Satan. The storyline is exactly Satan's. "I want my humanity back" is Satan's storyline with a few things changed around. So he's saying he wants back his original position from God, which he'll never get because he has gone too far.
Spawn also uses magic. Magic comes from the Devil, Satan. I used to worship Satan. Satan does not have power over God. So this idea of Spawn beating Satan OR God is just to confuse the public that it's something different than the bible, when really, it's exactly the same thing with a few things changed around, and if you've never read the bible or satanic texts (I have), then you wouldn't know that.
Curious, have you ever read the bible or satanic texts?
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If you want to spin it around, those version were the Spawn universe's versions of God and Satan. Similar to how Thor and others are presented in Marvel comics, taking LOTS of liberties with the source material and putting their own spin on it. In that story jawbreaker is referencing, God and the Devil got most of their power taken away from the being that created them because of their squabbles. Spawn won because they were both depowered, so you can't really count it as Spawn defeating an omnipotent being and one of his old right hand men.
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Enter ToxicMouse77. Ding ding! We have another contestant!
Nice of you to join our talk.
"If you want to spin it around, those version were the Spawn universe's versions of God and Satan."
Yes, I know. 
"Similar to how Thor and others are presented in Marvel comics, taking LOTS of liberties with the source material and putting their own spin on it.Β "
That's the problem. Nearly every story takes a liberty in the wrong direction, in a direction to make one always look bad and the other always good. Taking liberties is not their only issue.
"In that story jawbreaker is referencing, God and the Devil got most of their power taken away from the being that created them because of their squabbles."
Yes, I know that too.
"Spawn won because they were both depowered, so you can't really count it as Spawn defeating an omnipotent being and one of his old right hand men."
No, but most people don't care about that, and go off doing no research and end up rejecting things that they might otherwise like had they not been brainwashed into the opposing team which is actually against the reader.Β
Comic sales always go up when worlds are at war, and when war ceases, so do comic book sales. Apparently, we're in a war phase again.
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Ok, I was just making sure you knew the full story behind it. It is like when people bring up how Bruce "beat" Clark in DKR. It just irks me when people don't do the proper research.
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Yes, people are so braindead these days, hate to say. I wish I could say people are so smart and that they always do research instead of hearing one thing and turning it into WW3, spouting off and not knowing what they're talking about... but that's exactly what they do.
What do people tell you about Bruce beating Superman?Β
And I'm surprised how little people prepare for these movies. At least read some Frank Miller, but no. You say the movies are too simple, they make them more harder to understand so that you have to work a little, then people complain it's "too much work." Nobody is satisfied. They all complain. Full of hate. They're so picky. Overly picky. Braindead picky. XD
Tell me, I'm always looking for new manga and new comic artists. I know lots of comic artists now, but maybe still I don't know a lot. Could you help me? If you know any good comic books (maybe I haven't heard of them) and good manga art or manga, please list them! I'd love to hear about it.
I'm looking up tons of manga right now.
I also just found a French artist named Mathieu Lauffray. He's amazing! His Prophet series or drawings for this Long John Silver are spectacular. The ships... I love looking at ships!
Which reminds me, do you know any good manga scenes with ships in them? I saw one a really long time ago, and can't remember what it was called, but it was an overhead shot of a ship, and someone was swinging off it in a manga. It was an amazing angle...
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Nothing much, they tend to just look at the picture of Bruce in his armor holding Clark by the suit with his fist raised. Leaving out that Superman was heavily weakened by taking a nuke point blank (thank goodness this canon) and that Batman needed Green Arrow's help to bring Supes down. I can't say I know what movie you are talking about, though.
Superior Spider-Man and its tie-ins, such as the Spiderverse event, were pretty good, there is the 2015 run of Secret Wars where Dr Doom becomes a god (again) and makes a new Battleworld, Deadpool vs Thanos, in fact a lot of Deadpool books have been pretty good recently. For manga, I'd say to check out "My Hero Academia." I don't read manga a lot.
I don't know any manga on the big seas, sorry.
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Hm, Dr. Doom always becomes a god?
Yeah, they're all based on the same character basically. Or Nimrod, Marad, if you know him.
I was talking about Batman v Superman. What are your thoughts on that?
Cus in Frank Miller's adaption, that's what happened. Green arrow helped him. And the cartoon got it from Frank Miller. So Frank was first, then a cartoon, then BvS.
Superior Spiderman has some good art. Got a link for the Doom comics?
What do you think of Joe Mad's art. You know him?
Thanks for the manga.
No problem about not knowing. I don't read manga much either. But there's some really good stuff out there.
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It is more about the uprising that is planned against God King Doom after a few select people are able to remember what the world was like before Doom mishmashed a few dozen universes.
Batman acts like an idiot, Superman acts like an idiot, Lex Luthor IS an idiot, and Wonder Woman was good, but she didn't have enough screen time, Doomsday has the same origin as Nuclear man in Superman 4, and the JLA cameos are about as forced in as you can get. Civil War did right everything BvS did wrong. The problem was that Snyder wanted this big dark and gritty block buster, but he couldn't have that if everyone was in character, so he just spit in the face of logic. They also half ass one of the biggest events in Superhero history, but I won't spoil that.
Sorry, nope.
Never heard of him.
You're welcome.
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"It is more about the uprising that is planned against God King Doom after a few select people are able to remember what the world was like before Doom mishmashed a few dozen universes."
Yeah, Marad. Perhaps people reading thru the comics think this is original, but it's in all the history books, well, good ones.
Batman acts like an idiot? XD How so? I loved Affleck as Batman. He played his part more than great. The writing didn't make sense in a lot of places, but that's exoteric. Esoterically, it all makes sense. That's what I mean about these being the same storylines over and over again, just told with different names and in different ways.Β
"but he couldn't have that if everyone was in character, so he just spit in the face of logic.Β "
Oh? Interesting, what do you mean?
Civil War exoterically makes sense and that is why the public can understand it more. And they had more people discussing what would be a good script. It feels that the Batman/Superman team were largely on their own. Not that they didn't have a lot of people, not by the sounds of it, nowhere near the team that Civil War directors had together. Someone to tell them their ideas are awful? Yeah, someone like that.
"They also half ass one of the biggest events in Superhero history, but I won't spoil that."
That's ok, you can spoil. I saw it.
LOL! Lex IS an idiot. XD Why?
The scene where Superman told Batman "Don't go to your sign in the sky" frustrated a lot of people, cus he let the bad guys get away.
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"If there is even a 1% chance that he will turn against us, then he must be destroyed." That is some of the most flawed logic I have ever heard. If Batsy is right, then I should call SWAT on my elderly neighbors because there is at least a 1% that they are dangerous serial rapists. Maybe stopping his fight with Superman because MARTHA! Or being a hypocrite when it comes to stopping Superman. Then there is the whole bit about Batman killing people. You know, getting rid of one of Batman's most important character traits. Time and again, it has been shown that no matter what you do, if you hurt him, if you break him, if you break his loved ones, that he will not kill. Now admittedly, that is the main reason I don't enjoy Batman as a character, but I won't ignore that it is an admirable trait.
What I mean is, look at what I just wrote and what I am about to write.
They have Superman, the face of the comic book industry as a whole, die in his 2nd movie. Now there is no investment, nothing at stake, because we know that if Superman ever looks like he might die in a future movie, they'll just pull a "jk not dead lol." The death of Superman no longer carries weight. Even then, you didn't need Clark to carry the kryptonite spear in order to finish Doomsday off. Why not the Amazoness warrior who is trained in using weapons and won't die from using it? So not only was Clark's death pointless, but it was easily preventable. If he dies fighting Drakseid, or Stephenwulph, or Starro, the audience will throw their hands up and give a collective "Welp, we've seen that before."
How does creating Doomsday sound? As long as we have known Lex as a character, he was always sharp, sophisticated, he had a threatening presence, and was fiercely intelligent. That is what made him a threat. Here, Jessie Eisenberg hops around like he thinks he is in a Jim Carrey biopic. He has no reason to hate Superman, makes an uncontrollable and unstoppable monster because "screw it," and he is about as threatening as chihuahua in clown makeup. Speaking of clowns, I'm just going to say what everyone else is saying. He is a wannabe Joker. Then there is that whole thing with the jar of piss, I'm still wondering who thought that up.
In fact, just look up Angry Joe and Nostalgia Critic's review of it.
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""If there is even a 1% chance that he will turn against us, then he must be destroyed." That is some of the most flawed logic I have ever heard. If Batsy is right, then I should call SWAT on my elderly neighbors because there is at least a 1% that they are dangerous serial rapists."
I'm not saying that's necessarily perfect logic, but your neighbors don't "have the power to wipe out the entire human race." It makes sense that if there is a 1% chance that he might turn evil that they should be cautious, cus if he goes full steam they have no power to change his mind thru power. Same thing with being afraid of your friends and having a pet crocodile. Not exactly 1% chance, but you obviously are more cautious with one than the other, and if this crocodile just so happened to kill an entire race (Zod and friends) that had superhuman powers, they'd either put it down or put it in a cage. But superman cannot be caged. So it's not perfect logic but it does make sense considering the other stuff.
"Maybe stopping his fight with Superman because MARTHA! Or being a hypocrite when it comes to stopping Superman."
Yes.
"You know, getting rid of one of Batman's most important character traits. Time and again, it has been shown that no matter what you do, if you hurt him, if you break him, if you break his loved ones, that he will not kill."
If you consider that they don't make these movies to please people, neither Disney nor Marvel nor DC, and realize that it is part of a bigger picture to push certain ideas, then you will see that this is perfectly consistent with the brainwashing going on in our society today. THAT'S why they didn't bring it up. They gotta move fast. Who cares about plots. Civil War did the same thing but no one complained about that. Cus they got jokes.
"Now admittedly, that is the main reason I don't enjoy Batman as a character, but I won't ignore that it is an admirable trait."
Oh, interesting, hahaha, so I don't want to accuse you, but it just sounds like you said, "I don't enjoy Batman cus he has an admirable trait." Why don't you enjoy that he doesn't kill people? And if you don't enjoy it why is it admirable?
"They have Superman, the face of the comic book industry as a whole, die in his 2nd movie. Now there is no investment, nothing at stake, because we know that if Superman ever looks like he might die in a future movie, they'll just pull a "jk not dead lol.""
Yeah, I agree. Although like I said, this isn't really for the public's self-interest, it's to brainwash them. This movie makes perfect sense on an esoteric level. That's what I'm talking about with Spawn. I don't care about the comic and the plot... if you know the origins of these stories and plot lines, it all makes perfect sense. These characters were not created just cus "they were a cool idea." This goes a lot deeper than just what the public sees, surface plot failure.
"The death of Superman no longer carries weight. Even then, you didn't need Clark to carry the kryptonite spear in order to finish Doomsday off. Why not the Amazoness warrior who is trained in using weapons and won't die from using it?"
Right, exactly. That doesn't make sense in the movie, but you can't have Amazon Lady die for your sins. Jesus did that, and the only "proper" equivalent in this movie to Jesus is Superman. Do you know who originally created Superman? They're not stopping the trend...
"So not only was Clark's death pointless, but it was easily preventable."
Yes and no.
"If he dies fighting Drakseid, or Stephenwulph, or Starro, the audience will throw their hands up and give a collective "Welp, we've seen that before.""
That's why he probably won't die again.
"How does creating Doomsday sound? As long as we have known Lex as a character, he was always sharp, sophisticated, he had a threatening presence, and was fiercely intelligent. That is what made him a threat."
Jesse is not exactly "dull" minded. Sophisticated, no, not really, but he does emit a threatening presence, not that he is physically powerful, but that he hates your guts if you don't give him his way. And I don't think this movie makes him as intelligent as he is, no.
Jesse only served one purpose in this movie, and most of the audience missed it, even though it's SHOUTING AT YOU FROM THE SCREEN!!!
If you consider what's really going on with this role and why he got it and why he's acting that way... then you'll know why he acted so strange.
"Here, Jessie Eisenberg hops around like he thinks he is in a Jim Carrey biopic. He has no reason to hate Superman,"
He does, but again, that reason does not resonate with the audience. It's a "new" message, amped up with every movie, whether from DC or not, but especially in the superhero genre. It was extremely obvious if you know what to look for. Did you miss it?
"He has no reason to hate Superman, makes an uncontrollable and unstoppable monster because "screw it," and he is about as threatening as chihuahua in clown makeup."
A chihuahua can't make Doomsday.
He does have a reason to hate Superman. He said it several times in the movie. Maybe you missed it because you didn't like the idea, and it didn't make sense to you?
Making Doomsday has nothing to do with the plot, and neither does the "Communion" scene where he is "baptized." That's why it's there.
"Speaking of clowns, I'm just going to say what everyone else is saying. He is a wannabe Joker. "
That's what happens when you're going thru initiation.
He did this movie so he could please someone else, and that someone else isn't you or me or the audience in general.
"Then there is that whole thing with the jar of piss, I'm still wondering who thought that up."
I thought that was verrrrry interesting, and it shows what his character is like. People only liked Heath Ledger's Joker cus they didn't see the badness and sickness that he really does. They only saw a glimpse. So in the end they are attracted to that character, because he is witty and intelligent and is wise with his use of knowledge. But all evil people who are on that level do stuff like that, even if no one knows about it. Now that people know Jessie did that in this movie, they assume only "weak bitches" piss in a cup and give it to someone to drink. This has a huge esoteric meaning. People are angry at that cus they don't know what's going on. They don't know what's happening. They think it has nothing to do with the plot. Why jump around from Africa to India? Why are they "all over the place"? They know exactly what they're doing.Β
"In fact, just look up Angry Joe and Nostalgia Critic's review of it."
I can't stand listening to Nostalgia Critic's reviews. He annoys me and he's not necessarily a fair critic, although he may have some good points.
But I'd watch his review to reply to this... if need be.Β
Before I go further, I just want to make clear that I liked both movies, and that they had great action and some of the best action sequences I've seen in a while and that have ever been done with all the effects and great stunt teams we have nowadays.
Time for ripping phase number 1 
When you say "Civil War did everything right that BvS did wrong," ... could you explain that? Not what happened in BvS necessarily cus you already said a lot about that, but what did Civil War do right? Cus there were a lot of plot holes, like why was there a camera on a lone street that just happened to have his parents killed on it? And how did Tony have so much time to go from the airport to his place to the jail and THEN to Sokovia (ending scene, what's that place called?) BEFORE Cap and Bucky showed up when Cap and Bucky went there STRAIGHT FROM the airport? Who left the airport first in a twinjet? Cap and Bucky. Who showed up at the snowy brainwash hideout first? Ironman.
????? How did Ironman get there first?Β
And even if he didn't, it still doesn't explain how he got there so fast when he had all that other stuff to do, and doesn't explain why Cap and Bucky took so long if that was there whole goal since airport scene, and doesn't explain how Zemo knew that those particular people would show up to hash it out. How could he have predicted that Tony and Cap (if they really were friends) would not talk it out and come to an agreement beforehand, especially because by the time Ironman got to the jail for superheroes, he was starting to think the accords were a bad idea and that Cap was right? So if Cap and Bucky are taking so long to get there even though they have a twin jet, how come Tony didn't just try to catch them before they got to the cave and talk it out?
And how did Zemo know that Black Panther would be listening in and how did he know that if he did show up instead of any of the other eight characters (like for instance, Vision? that guy who could've ended the airport battle in one beam strike?), that Black Panther wouldn't interrupt their video discourse, and if Vision showed up, why would he predict Vision wouldn't interrupt, especially since Vision is on team Tony and is his most valuable player?Β
And no one checked out Zemo's credentials as a psychiatrist and how he used that to bypass security. They just skip over that. It wasn't made clear in the movie. Went too fast and didn't make sense.
And where was Vision during the fight at the airport? He basically disappeared after the opening attack. That guy can do some serious damage, but all he did was put a scar on the cement.
Isn't that the same reason people hated BvS? Because Lex's plan didn't make sense? the plan of how he got the superheroes to meet? Many have already said that Zemo didn't need to be there, that it could have been anyone, but that he didn't need to be there at all because the character development and conflicts were enough for the Avengers to meet and hash it out. But Marvel gets a pass because JOKES!
And though everyone says "all the character motivations make sense," that's not true. Natasha was clearly team cap in Winter Soldier, but this movie, when asked why she's team Tony, says, "I changed my mind." And then she changes it right back. Ok, she's a spy. But have some loyalty to Cap already. You spent a whole movie with him. And isn't that the same thing as skipping over why Batman doesn't not kill people anymore? Because he just does stuff and goes against his rules? So does Tash. But we'll let it pass, because MARVEL!
Also, when CapΒ said, "He's my friend," and Tony replies, "So was I," I wanted to believe it, but it just wasn't believable. They didn't like each other the whole movie, nor in any of the previous ones. They merely tolerated each other. I'd hardly call that a friendship. So bad set up.Β
I know they had to finally have Spiderman because of business and rights, but it felt shoehorned in and he could've been easily killed by Scarlet Witch. Also, what a waste of super soldiers and all just to get them to the factory, and what a waste of Crossbones in the beginning. He was supposed to be to Cap what Batman is to Bane, but Cap just ripped off his "prosthetic arm" and chucked it away. Nearly got blowed up too. Waste of what could have been a good villain.
These people in Civil War kill way more than Batman did in BvS, and Scarlet Witch is upset for a moment at the beginning having killed people, but then goes right back to being sassy and there's no mention of it again. Or mention of her dead brother. She sure got over HIM fast...
And don't even get me started on the politics of this movie!Β
(No, please, get me started. 
There is one thing clear in both these movies: someone is pulling the strings from behind the scenes, and by weakening their presence to the audience (Zemo and Lex), they make them view stringpullers as either idiots or useless and unthreatening, making the audience docile victims ready to accept whatever almighty government suggests. Here! Have accords! That'll solve everything! Oh wait, nevermind, Cap and Ironman are fighting! Who cares about the accords!
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Sorry it took so long, but I finally have time to respond.
Yeah, I probably could have used a better example, like Trump starting WW3 because some foreign power made fun of his hair. That is world ending possibility.
What brainwashing? I don't know what you are talking about.
I know what I said, but think about it. Batman is supposed to be the hero Gotham needs, right? Then why is a 10th of the population either mass murders or their henchmen? Batman could easily end every psychopath Gotham has to offer, but he refuses to for whatever reason. Joker, Black Mask, Penguin, Killer Croc, Harley Quinn, Ra's Al Ghul, Victor Zsasz, Professor Pyg, Ivy, Riddler, Scarecrow, Penguin, Mad Hatter, . Through the years, these guys have been responsible for more deaths and ruined lives than some terrorist organizations. And yet, the best answer Batman has is to throw them in the judicial equivalent of a cardboard box and wait a week or so for it all to happen again. If Frank Castle was based in Gotham, chances are it wouldn't be a hell hole wearing the face of a high class town.
Again, sorry, but I don't know what you are getting at with this brainwashing stuff.
And no, Wonder Woman wouldn't need to die, the same way Superman didn't have to die. None of the main characters had to die. They could just have Superman trade blows with Doomsday long enough for Wonder Woman to hit him in the back of the head with the spear, and problem solved. Happy ending for all.
Truthfully, I never saw Superman as a Jesus figure. They are both righteous, extraordinary, people, but then so is Licenseless Rider and Optimus Prime, but no one is calling them Jesus figures.
Correct, Jessie wasn't physically imposing, but Luthor doesn't need to look like Kingpin or Bane to be threatening. What makes Lex threatening is that he can end you and everything you love from his high rise office, and no one can touch him.
As for Lex's reason for hating Supes, there was something about religion, something about daddy issues, and something about him being afraid that more like Superman would show up. I don't think they nailed down the exact reason.
Initiation? This isn't a cult, it's a poor casting choice. Then again, with the future visions and detachment from humanity, maybe it is because of an evil cult.
I will admit there are plotholes. It is hard to find a movie that doesn't have something happen for plot convenience, but here we go. Now some memories of Civil War have faded, but I think the kills were supposed to be near a SHIELD facility, so the security camera may have been there for, well, security.
I'm not sure how fast a quinjet (not twin jet) goes, but even in the early days of Marvel, the Iron Man armors have been able to go a few times faster then the speed of sound. (Looked into it. Quinjets go just above mach 2). So yeah, Iron Man's suits are by no means slow. Also, the post credits location is called Wakanda. Black Panther's home country.
The last time they saw each other, Tony was trying blast Cap and Bucky out the sky. It would probably make things worse. And if they fought on the ground, it would be easier for Tony to ensure Cap lived if things got messy.Β
Yeah, they could have used anyone for the bad guy. In fact, movie Zemo is nothing like comic Zemo, they just used a guy with Zemo's name. But that was forgiven because the rest of the film works so well. If the rest of BvS was awesome, then maybe Jessie would have been forgiven, but sadly that was not case. As for Natasha's motivation and changing sides, her entire life has been stabbing people join the back, figuratively and literally, she very well could have faked her allegiance to Tony. What's more, she is the prime results from the Russian super soldier program. Think about what could have happened if the government got their mitts on her. Also, she has always had the utmost respect for Steve, where as Tony has always been kind of an ass. Her changing sides cant be chalked up to something as lazy as "meh, I got tired." She even says, "I said I'd help you find him, not catch him. There's a difference."
Tony wasn't exactly "well" at the end of the movie. His suit was in tatters, several of his friends are in jail, he has spent several days going cross country to beat up the American dream, and he just found out that "Tell no lies, baseball, and apple pies" Steve Rogers knew about how his parents died for a while now and never said a dang thing. Tony was beyond pissed.Β
I'd wouldn't call Crossbones Cap's Bane, he's a B-list hitman and not much else. He routinely works for Red Skull and has crossed Cap a few times, but that's about it. I'd sooner give that role to Baron Zemo (not the movie version).
But those weren't deaths that they were purposely responsible for. Scarlet Witch was an accident, Bucky went sleeper agent, and those dead in Sokovia was because the city was flying into the sky, there is no way there wouldn't be collateral damages. And further, Scarlet had a full year between movies. That is enough time to dry your eyes and move on. And what do you mean there is no mention? The entire reason she is locked up in Stark's building with Vision watching over her is because Tony didn't want to risk another accident like what happened to Wakandan missonaries a 2nd time.
The difference between movie Zemo and Jessie Luthor is that we could actually see Zemo's plan unfold. He didn't need to learn Cap and Iron Man's identities because everyone knows who they are, but what explanation do we get for Jessie learning who Batman and Superman are? We saw Zemo track down information that would break specific members of the team, but Jessie (not calling him Lex) just seems to know this stuff. Zemo has a personal reason for being against the Avengers because the Sokovia fight resulted in the death of his family, but Jessie justifies his actions with daddy issues and something about God. Zemo doesn't make his presence known until he is sure that the heroes can't touch him, but Jessie openly threatens the love ones of the most powerful creature on the planet and just hopes that Superman won't rip his spine out through his sphincter.
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