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D3-Damage In reply to alligatorteeth [2015-04-07 22:36:52 +0000 UTC]

Wrong she is incredibly skinny because she is a gem. If she wanted to she could be a 5 pound butterfly or a 200 pound bear. (5 pounds is huge for a butterfly and 200 is tiny for a bear).

This most certainly a more robust figure then that in the show I won't deny that.

But alternative figures is legitimate canon.

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alligatorteeth In reply to D3-Damage [2015-04-07 23:07:03 +0000 UTC]

amythest isnt skinny and she is also a gem.

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D3-Damage In reply to alligatorteeth [2015-04-08 01:24:59 +0000 UTC]

I feel like that is the single worst person to try and defend your point with since she is the single gem who transforms her body the most.

She's literally made herself look like a perfect replica of pearl, of rose, hell she's even made herself look like a massive male wrestler or have a crocodile head.

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alligatorteeth In reply to D3-Damage [2015-04-08 02:05:55 +0000 UTC]

ok ok i get it you ask to be critiqued on your drawing, then you attack the critique.

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D3-Damage In reply to alligatorteeth [2015-04-08 03:26:58 +0000 UTC]

That's not a critique you donk. Critique is about composition, colors, innovation, technique use.

All you did was basically say pearl was too thick.

Hell if your reason at least made more sense within the context of the show for why she shouldn't be a bit thicker it would have been fine.

Example:
"Pearl would never be this thick because she is objectively against transformation"

And my best response would have been

"Fair enough. The most she ever does us change her clothes. You are right she never really alters her body."

Savvy?

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alligatorteeth In reply to D3-Damage [2015-04-08 03:32:27 +0000 UTC]

ahem, my critique was that in the show she is skinny, and you did not draw her how she is in the show. you could have just politely said that you preferred to draw her "thick", and i would have understood, but this is not Pearl's shape. All critiques don't have to have that basic deviantart base, it's just a simple opinion. And I did add context you donk, i said she doesnt like to eat food because she thinks it's gross. Sure I guess she could shapeshift to be however she wanted to be, just like Amythest. I used Amythest as an example for that reason in particular, she shapeshifts the most. My point is, you could have just clarified that you preffered to draw Pearl in this shape, instead of the original Rebecca Sugar style. 

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D3-Damage In reply to alligatorteeth [2015-04-08 07:51:13 +0000 UTC]

Ok this comment is so backwards.

One: that still is not a critique. Commentary certainly but critique? No. You must understand the critical difference is that a critique is helpful. Regardless of whether or not you dicuss deviantarts critique format your comment was not in any way helpful like a proper critique.

Two: pearl being skinny in the show isn't an opinion it's fact. You never tried to contemplate her form you only insulted it. You trying to be the Insulted party is rude.

3: your context is just blatantly bad. I never Contested whether or not she eats food because it is also fact that she does not. At the same time however that this is completely unrelated to her actual physical form since she is a crystal gem, and her form is highly dependent on her whim. Literally, her eating habits have no effect on her form.

4. What? Amethyst as an example of what? More bad context here fella. If your trying to use the eating to form rule it doesn't make sense for amethyst either. If your swing her diet doesn't matter because amethyst transforms constantly then you are either arguing my point or are very lost.

5. This image not being like miss sugars ties back into point one. It's a comment, but at least in this case it's not as blatantly insulting as your original comment.

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Echowolf97 In reply to D3-Damage [2015-04-09 03:29:24 +0000 UTC]

Critique doesn't always have to be helpful and it much certainly isn't what you are calling it. It's a detailed analysis and assessment of something. Go ahead, nothing wrong with looking it up. Criticism. What she said in a way is kind of a critique, (although they are usually much longer and more detailed) whether it helps or not.

Plus even though they can transform, I think it's their normal appearance. Pearl may be just naturally skinny where as Amethyst is naturally a bit larger. I don't think their common appearance has anything to do with their transformations. Also if you noticed, Amethyst eats a lot and is larger, not sure why she would make herself larger, and Pearl doesn't really eat at all and is much more scrawny. However the truth behind it is unknown seen as how the show doesn't give out this info. In other words, nobody know the real answer to this issue.

As of critique, the drawing is pretty neat and the tilt of the sword makes it seem realistic but as of Pearl herself, she is all white like her skin has no color to it and her outfit is different here than in the show, I'm not sure if this was on purpose but I'm using this as reference.

And please, you really didn't have to attack my friend over that.

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D3-Damage In reply to Echowolf97 [2015-04-09 05:04:42 +0000 UTC]

Im going to apologize for the wall of text before hand on this one. But please read through it all.

I think i ended up using two definitions of a critique. The detailed analysis and the helpful bit, which is an extension of the detailed analysis. 
He wasnt offering criticism: He was saying she wasnt this skinny in the show and gave a pretty poor reason for it. When i called him out his reasons kept getting worse and he kept trying to defend them. 

And yes they have a normal appearance, but i think at most it is the form that requires the least energy to maintain. Or just what they like. What they eat has no bearing on how they look whatsoever.

Never forget that Amethyst came out of her hole looking that way. In the episode where she runs off with steven you can see her fitting like a glove into the slot where her hole was. It was not as skinny as pearl was nor was it larger then amethyst was currently: it was a perfect fit. She literally slid right in. The amount of food she eats has little to do with her form. 

Any who as for pearl here are two comments about her thickness i would have accepted because i thought about them myself as i was drawing this, and the sort of style that i would probably have replied with "fair enough."

Im personally curious about what Other pearls look like. Jasper mentions that pearl was defective in some way. I am hoping she meant merely that she worked for the crystal gems instead of the home world gems. It could mean however that she lacks some fundamental ability that other pearls have. One potential is that pearl is just not as good as transformation as other gems. We see her change her outfit, and that is about it. Every other gem (including steven) has gone through some radical form shift, while pearl has not. 

Or the more likely reason she would never be this thick to me:

Is that it is not that pearl cannot shift, but simply chooses not to. She generally disdains transformation as a whole. I think this may be a hold over from homeworld gem society, of which she seemed to have the most elitist view of the crystal gems. And i can see why. On earth it is easy to tell them apart because there is only one garnet, one pearl, one amethyst. But imagine a planet where there were at least two if not multiple gems running around who were all the same type of gem, and could all constantly shift form. It would be a pain to pick anyone out and would have caused all sorts of problems. 

            We see the sort of problems it could cause in the episode where Greg and Amethyst spend most of it watching little butler..and we see Amethyst turn into a copy of Rose Quartz. Thats emotionally scaring and if it happened all the time potentially devastating to any society. Also notice how amethyst, the only gem who didnt personally visit homeworld and grow up in general gem society,  is the one who transforms the most. She has had to deal with the consequences of transformation the least. 

......actually i really like that second theory. Like a lot. If he had put that to me before i had thought of it just now i would have been squealing like a little fanboy. 

But he didnt. He literally used the least likely and least valid reason.

All of which shows two things that led to all this.

1. it should be obvious, i love looking deep into things. This is likely what caused some of the problems in the first place. 
          his first comment didnt bother me and i replied with the intention of clarification. Pearl and the other gems have several traits that distinguish them from humans. His second comment confused me because i wasnt sure where he was going with it, since it lent less credence to his idea about why pearl is skinny. His third comment is where i actually got angry since he wasnt actually offering a well thought out critique, and i ended up getting angrier and angrier because he kept trying to make himself out as a victim.

2. Take a peek in my gallery
         After you wander around for a while you will probably realize, i tend to draw girls pretty damn thick. I wont lie i was nervous about drawing someone thinner. In the end i had been happy with how thin she came out, so when your friend said she was still to thick it made me sad, but if he had a more extensive thought put into it, i would have been fine. He left himself really open to someone like me who pays attention to some of the littlest details in the show.

All in all i do apologize. He was definitely out of line by the third comment, but that doesnt excuse me overreacting. 

Thank you for the actual critique. Yea, i didnt like her skin in this one. I was kind of cringing waiting for someone to comment on it. As for her design it was semi intentional. I used the out line and was originally going to color it blue but then i saw someone do bits of her outfit as a transparent...and i couldnt resist. Ended up being beyond my abilities it seems, you are right it would have looked better if i just stuck to her normal outfit. For the skirt at least. I personally like the bit around her neck. 

Apart from that though i really like the colors. Or more specifically the colored lineart.

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alligatorteeth In reply to D3-Damage [2015-04-08 14:03:00 +0000 UTC]

Oh my god when did I insult you? Are you kidding? I LITERALLY just said that Pearl is skinnier in the show because she doesnt eat food, i never said that your Pearl that you drew looked bad. And maybe it wasnt a critique sure my bad but you didn't have to be such a jerk about it. And maybe the food doesnt affect her size, maybe i'm wrong about that too, but still, you could have just simply said whatever your point was and you didn't have to make the longest comment ever trying to attack me and why i'm wrong. This is not the way to respond to a comment.

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D3-Damage In reply to alligatorteeth [2015-04-08 17:28:31 +0000 UTC]

Ok I realize that you don't know why I am insulted. Originally I was fine.

You continuously insulting my intelligence by at toting to use faulty logic is what is pissing me off. In your original comment all that bothered me was that your were wrong about pearls form: it's not based on food it's based on her whim. This is fact and what is further insulting is that you continue to try and defend it with more bad logic.

You never further explain your logic or apologize and fix your logic you simply keep repeating the same illogical thing over and over again. Originally all I did was correct your logic and you have made me consistently angrier and angrier by continuing.

What is the goal if not to insult me? If it's to provide feedback you did that in your first post, illogical though it was.

What am I supposed to think when you never amend yourself but keep moving forward and cannot take my own critique on your comments?

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D3-Damage In reply to GeneralSewerRat [2015-04-03 23:33:59 +0000 UTC]

Lol slightly is an understatement.

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