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I am very unoriginal>not my character
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This remind me "Breakeven" soo much T----T Dirk i'm here for you sweetie <3
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Reminds me of the line "I dont mind, falling to pecies" from the song Unknown Soldier by Breaking Benjiman. This is amazing ;-; and sad q-q
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Your art makes me hurt. Both with feels and with its beauty.
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Thanks! That's a really nice compliment imo :>
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Beautiful! I love the orange heart glow around the hole :33
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Thanks!! Glad you like the detail!
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Ah look, it's some stuff I never saw because I left five million years ago.
I really like the shattered look. And side burns? SIDE BURNS ARE THE MOST GLORIOUS THING. I actually like that it it's a heart shape anywhere, how the orange is just kind of upside down egg shaped. It gives it a better feel.
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Haha don't worry, it happens!
Glad you like the idea! I love to leave sneaky symbols or elements related to the characters I draw in some of my work, I think it looks nice...
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I really like it the coloring and the style is great ^^
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Thanks! Glad you like it :>
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You claim to be unoriginal here but I must disagree. No Bro is not your character but this is a deep and moving piece, masterfully composed and balanced to evoke emotion. I've stumbled across it several times, and it took me that long to compile what I wanted to say about it, that's how much it got me thinking.
I won't re-hash everything I said in my comment to but if you'd please look at that response it explains at length about what I see when I look at this image.
Very well, done. My compliments.
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Sorry for taking so much time to answer such a nice comment ._. But I've been busy studying for my finals... X(
Thanks a lot for your words here!! Making people feel/think something with my work is kind of amazing...
Ahhhh, thanks againnn!
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Wait shoot that was a mistake ignore that XDD
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Ironically, Mom died with the one she was attracted to, in love with someone who loved her back(Or at least they showed affection towards each other.
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Actually learning what we have about the Alpha Kids this makes sense, and it's quite sad as well. If you'll pardon my extrapolating here a little bit...
We know from learning about the pre-scratch trolls that in the post-scratch world, Kankri (for instance) turned out to be The Signless, thereby creating a path of safety for Karkat to grow up (as opposed to being culled on sight). On top of that, it's mentioned several times that Karkat was actually Kankri's ancestor on Beforus, at least in implication by mentioning other Alternian trolls as having been originally ancestors on Beforus, if not explicitly stated.
Logic (which is a dangerous thing to apply in a game like Sburb/Sgrub) clearly states that the pre-scratch humans would be the guardians of the post-scratch kids. E.g. Dave would become Dirk's Bro. To follow that line of thought back, Dirk would then have been Dave's Bro in the pre-scratch session. (Yes, this is fairly obvious, but it really hasn't been stated explicitly.)
So, if we apply this logic then to your statement here, Mom (i.e. Roxy) died with Dad (i.e. Jake), someone she, in her post-scratch self, mentioned she was attracted to, and actually had a shot with. Dirk flat out admitted he was gay, because he felt bad about not being able to really give Roxy a chance back when it was only him and her as humans on the planet. (This was just released in the last update before the hiatus where he's talking with Jane before ascending to Godtier.) Thus, Roxy died with Jake, and Bro died alone, much like their affections, as during Trickster Mode, Dirk broke up with Jake.
Granted, we have no idea how Jane fits into all this, as she's something of an anomaly since the pre-scratch session had 3 male guardians and 1 female, whereas the post-scratch session kids are 2 of each. So, unless we're getting into genderbending and trans* situations, I don't quite have a place for Jane. Hopefully, Hussie will provide us with a solution?? Nvm, I just remembered that Jane is supposed to be Nana and John is supposed to be Poppop. Thus, Roxy didn't die with Jake, but with Jane's son, whom through use of shipping goggles we can assume was Jake's son, given the affection that was going on there at least on Jane's side.
My apologies for rambling on like this, but I still think your comment fits quite well given the relationships we already know about the Alpha Kids. Poor Dirk is left rather torn apart and on his own. Talking about his pre-scratch iteration, he never even got the chance to meet Jake's pre-scratch iteration. So, to have him dying here with his heart broken and stabbed to pieces is both allusive to the fact that he was empty in romance, as well as a nice slide into his post-scratch title as the Prince of Heart.
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Before I read any of this I hope you've noticed how I said in a comment right afterwards that this comment was an accident...
The only thing I can actually think of when reading your comment, however, is the game sessions. 'Our' Dave is not Dirk's Bro- as Karkat explain to John about how his sessions Jack is not the Jack of Johns' session- they are variations.
In that manner one could think that while, for example, both the pre and post sessions have a Dave, they are not the same- Everyone in the post-scratch grew up in a much harsher environment, and as such their personalities and psychologies are different.
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I specifically commented because you said the comment was a mistake. My entire point was that while you consider it to be an accident, I don't think it's wrong.
You are correct that each session's characters (players and NPCS [e.g. Jack]) are different, but, as I said, by following the logic of the way the session was rebooted with the trolls we can assume that the session with the kids was rebooted in the same way. Thus, although the ectobiological parents and children have reversed places (as with Karkat and Kankri) and the world is vastly different (Beforus vs. Alternia) the essence of each player/NPC is the same. In other words, Jack Noir is still Jack Noir in every session, even if his circumstances change. That's what I meant by Dirk being Bro.
No, pre-scratch Dave is not the guardian who raised Dirk, BUT the guardian who raised Dirk IS Dave, post-scratch Dave. As Kankri becomes the Signless post-scratch due to Beforus becoming Alternia. The reason the Signless (and Alternia) is so different though is because Doc Scratch messed with their universe using Damara's powers as the Witch of Time. So, I would agree that their psychologies are different, but I think I have to disagree that their personalities would change. Case in point, in spite of the way that Doc Scratch messed with Alternia, Rufioh is just as insecure as Tavros, he just functions better because he had a better support system with which to build his confidence, because Beforus' environment was better suited for the troll disease friendship.
((Off topic, can I say how nice it is to have an intelligent person with which to discuss such things? ^_^ Also, if you feel uncomfortable continuing this conversation here, feel free to PM me.))
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Well, I meant that while creating the comment I suddenly had to leave for somewhere, so I had acciedentally clicked 'Add Comment' instead of cancel.
That's true, although you should also think about the differences between the races- Trolls are racially different from humans in several ways. They are not fundementally 'made' the same ways as humans are- they have no parents, and their ancestor is the only person they are connected too. They are more or less much alike to their ancestors. We all know how diverse humans are. Another gigantic thing that is often overlooked -and that is the biggest pointer of this- are the classes. Everyone who plays Sburb/Sgrub has a class and aspect that goes with them. But the thing that is overlooked so much is how the humans share no classes- each person specifically has a different both class AND aspect, while the trolls share aspects with their dancestors- the aspect being what defines them the most. The human ancestors do share many traits, but not on the level of troll ones.
I understand what you mean about them being, in the essence, the same, but I can also use Jack for this- the two Jacks, while technically the same, chose different paths.
It's true, their personalities are very much alike, to the point of being almost completely alike. There are minor differences, but that can be put up to exposure and age.
((Oh god, yes! It's so nice ^^ I've only done something like this once before and that was just me with a friend arguing about word and punctuation placement in a speech. If you can think of any things to discuss I'd love to do so over PM! Even non-Homestuck, if you have anything outside of that that I'd know. Anime, world, really anything.))
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Ah, that makes sense. I have done that on occasion.
I think the reason there are no duplicates among the humans regarding class and aspect comes more from there being fewer humans playing the game than trolls. (Which in and of itself poses an interesting side thought regarding shaping the game and the future with the say there was mention of 48 [I think] Squiddles that created the Trolls' universe originally.) The point of what you're saying, however, is exactly what I meant. Time, age, experience, and environment define the differences between Pre-Scratch Dave and Post-Scratch Dave, but at their core they're both Dave. The same can be said of all the characters, I think, with the exception being that in John and Jane's case, Nanna is Jane and Poppop is John. Though really that's actually said explicitly in the comic itself, even more so with Roxy and Rose, where both Lalondes looked at the other and immediately said "Mom?"
I suppose my point of view would have been more easily explained if I had gone that route, using the logic of inference based around the interactions between Alpha and Beta kids that we actually have seen in canon. But still, I'm glad you made the original comment you did. Please, do me the favor and add me on Skype (I'll PM you the name) because I'd LOVE to continue talking. However, I don't want to take over the comments section any more than we already have.
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Yeah, XDD
That's true, I've thought that. But yeah, 48 Squiddles! That's the number! So either there are other classes, or there were four of each class and aspect. It also makes sense, considering the world they made. The pre-scratch world was super peaceful and all. Although, the post-scratch made a world of relative peace, i.e. humans, more or less, so that's something to think of.
Yeah, I can agree. Fundamentally they are the same person. Even with Nanna and Poppop, you can still see their characteristics alike to John's and Jane's. I mean, Nanna loved cooking and pranks. Jane loves cooking and pranks. They laugh the same and talk more or less the same. I don't think we saw anything of Poppop, really, but we can guess it was the same with him to John.
Oh, well I'm not that sure about that XDD for one I don't have one. I'll reply to the PM with a couple reasons and questions of time-zone, since that's a factor.
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I believe Jane mentioned at one point that Poppop was a great prankster and magician in the vaudeville circuit, which is a bit like John. What with his prankster's gambit and all.
And I think the worlds are designed to be that way. Like Sburb only shows up when the world begins to dissolve into horrible violence and needs to be destroyed. Thus, the world that is created from a successful session would be much more peaceful than the one before it. As it's brand new and shiny.
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Yeah! My point! ^^
Hmm... but, what about the humans pre-scratch, and the trolls pre-scratch? I don't believe reading anything about some abnormal violence there.
Pfft shiny XDD
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I love the way you've presented this. The spreading of the cracks from the stab wound, the shattering at the bottom of bro, it makes me think of a memory, or an ideal shattering after being dealt a blow that it cannot handle. I can almost see this as a nightmare Dave is having.
Great work, and very emotionally charged.
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I just have to say really quickly that what you said up there ^ was incredibly beautiful and thought-invoking. Thank you for saying it!
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Gladly. The work itself provoked thought.
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Ohhh thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
Since I usually work with kind of subtle symbols I really like to hear if they make people think/feel something...
Wow, thanks a lot!
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I'm glad to have shared if you were happy to hear them. It really was wonderful and motivates me to write.
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Oh that's great! Good luck with your writing then!
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this is really cool! If you zoom in you can see his eyes behind the shades
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Thanks, glad you like it!
I like drawing eyes... -v-
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no prob man. You're eyes are very pretty. There gateway to the sole,you know.
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Thanks a lot! And yeah, they can express so much!
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Oh I guess? I just took some key ideas for the character and worked with them... Happened to be kinda sad!
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