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Commission ExamplesPlease check out this journal for my commission details. But now you all have a working example!
Complete with cute little stickers ^-^ All prices are in CAD.
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hmm.. do you still have problems with getting commissions?
Just curious, cause I've read some comments now. o:
I think they might be a bit too high, but on the other hand, you do very good proportions, you seem to have a steaddy hand for lines, and you make clean and nice work.. o: hmm..
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My commissions will be reopening as of Monday 19th, after a necessary hiatus, but yeah, I've only had 1 request thus far XD;
I should like to state that these are just guide prices. Depending on what you want, what you get could be cheaper, or finished to an improved quality (because my style's always improving). It's all quite variable, and really it's driven by how much a request deviates from the examples set out here.
Personally, I strive for (if not perfection) believability, with a strong sense of personality in everything I do. I believe in capturing the essence of a character, within a context, and trying to convey some more complex concept through expression or posture. I put a lot of effort into making the character speak volumes. So while we have the visual end product as one thing, what I actually do during the process is much more involved.
^_^! Thank you, I do work hard at producing presentable results ^^! I would be more than grateful for a commission, but of course the decision is entirely your own. I merely provide a flexible service.
In any case, many thanks for stopping by and commenting. I appreciate all the feedback I get and endeavour to ensure no comment goes unanswered.
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What sort of prices would you expect for these outcomes then?
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well its just way 2 much 4 a detailed peice not 2 be rood or anything
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I don't consider it rude 
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well like in the real world i have found that their are a variety of prices so can you tell me a amount of pictures are bought weekly
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Are you asking how many commission requests I'm getting per week?
Can't really ask for a fairer deal than that
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ha i got a very detailed and animated for only 5 pionts so 25 cents tell me a better/fairer deal
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I'd love to see this piece you're talking about to gauge an appropriate response.
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will do once i find my fd
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In between times, kindly keep in mind that I do not accept point commissions, as they are wholly useless to me. I only accept money commissions, because that's what'll keep me going
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I think you're way too expensive for what you offer. $30 for something without a background is too much.
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Ok, what would you suggest?
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I'd search out commission pricing guides on deviantArt and Fur Affinity, making note of skill level and the popularity of the artist. Popular artists overcharge by a lot because they can.
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Helps when you draw nudes and porn (and have an FA account as I've checked).
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doesn't seem very classy to take a stab at someone because they disagree with you Vaporeon249. especially with out properly looking into what your talking about ^^
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I did the reference rounds, and commissions for a year. I'm just not into furries, or actively watching people, so pulling out the stuff I looked at from over a year ago is a bit long ago.
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I started out on DA. For your information :3
With no adult works. Thanks ^^
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Most popular commissioners on FA all draw porn to some extent.
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Actually. No. Lizardbeth is a great example of a VERY popular artist who does not draw smut at ALL.
Also, you missed what i said. When i started off, I didnt draw anything of adult nature. At all. I was starting out just as Denizen is.( i didnt start drawing adult content up until a few years ago.) My prices were similar to his. Negotiable just as his are right now. Etc. As much as you do have some good points in your posts, i find that some of your assumptions that popular artists can charge whatever they want is not true as well as a few other things but i wont get into those. You sound like you are stating fact. not 'oppinion'. Do you know each and every 'popular' artist? I doubt it. :/ Just sayin~
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#149 [link] . Popular web comic, go figure. Okay, so within the 100, there is a few web comic creators, the odd newgrounder, and about 3 traditional artists that inspire envy, and several fetish artists. As for costs. #150-155. $60, $40, $80, $100 for flats, $50 for con badges. #6-11. $125, $35, $80-$200, ?, $110 (though they auction slots, and someone maxed on $900 once). And yeah, some of them kind of do, but some are rather reasonable for their skills.
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I'm sorry, I don't understand why you're looking on popufur. I'm on there at #58702, but I don't particularly think very much of Zaush at #1. Some of his work is ok, but the majority of it (even for being porn) isn't too well finished. If you just used it to find Lizardbeth, then you could have done that here, unless you suspected she posted porn on FA - but then that would have been a poor call by Temrin, negating the whole point.
The only reason for me to compare my skill level to that of others (especially top artists) is to identify new techniques and methods for capturing a mood or environment. Other than that, it's immaterial because the artist will have their own way of expressing a given concept.
All this is proving is that the top artists are charging a bit more. According to your website, you actually charge more than I do for comparatively similar, by a good $15 more. I could add a simple background to my work for an extra $5 and still undercut you, but then the difference is going to be popularity, efficiency, communication and the size of the finished piece - just to name a handful. I don't know how popular you are, but I imagine you have a fair share of followers who like derivative pokΓ©mon art. You speak with authority, but you don't seem too supportive of my potential. I note you don't seem to approve of the amassing amateur art on dA, either, and I've got to ask: do you feel my work lacks decency in quality and/or content? If so then I'm happy to receive suggestions on how to improve.
I appreciate where you're coming from, for the most part, but it truly confuses me how my prices can be considered "way too expensive" when you charge more than I do. I've carefully read the whole conversation and it bothers me that I'm not being offered actual solutions or constructive advice, even though I actively welcome it on everything. I take your point that we simply don't know yet if people will be interested in what I offer. But if not at the moment, then I'll expand on my skill set, offer bundles and packages; I might just do something to convince someone it's worth their while.
Please don't misinterpret my stance in this conversation. Imagine if you will how you might have responded if someone said what you said to me, but to you, and without the benefit of knowing your intentions
I had something to say. I remain receptive to criticism of my work and services
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So... long...
That Lizardbeth thing being brought up was not by me. For me, that tracker is a tool, and a potentially less subjective point of reference for what is deemed as a popular furry artist.
My inked images with coloring and shading are $18, which is an undercut. As for popularity, I have no idea. My few Pokemon images are scary popular (as in top 5-25 of the Pokemon Popular search), so I can advise you on dA and the chance of images giving you business.
Simply put, dA is not a commission community. $20 bucks can get you an ad spot on FA, and gain you at least a lot of pageviews, and hopefully some business. Cruddy artists do it there, and it seems to work. Try that.
If you do this all the time [link] then you're charging relatively on par to your skill. If you're charging on the skill in this posting, I'd cut it down a bit. It's a little over-blinned (shiny), and lacks a semblance of background. (Most people throw in a splash of something.) A description under each, and in your commission link would be helpful (like how much extra characters or backgrounds, or adult material is). Also, currency conversion of some kind there. Most of my buyers have been Americans and Canadians. A lot of furries are also North American. Go on that. Appeal to the masses. And porn and nudes and fetishes still sell better than others. (Let's put it this way, in most galleries on FA, the best ranked pictures are not the most G. Adult images get more views, and thus more exposure, which could mean more commissions.) Don't bother with people art. No one wants or cares about them, and too much gets you banned on FA anyway.
Maybe that will be more useful for you.
(And if you need to know how I found you, I was checking my pictures on the Anthrolicious Group, and wondered why the Commission category was so small, and clicked on the only two images available there at the time. One was this image.)
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Yeah, that commission piece for has been my most successful/most viewed piece thus far. But I can do a lot better than that these days!
The audience I'm targeting with this piece (and pretty well all of my stuff) is the North American market, hence putting it into CAD, as there's so little difference between USD and CAD. But by currency conversion, do you mean I should include USD/GBP/EU anyway? If so then I have a fairly neat idea as to how that can be done without having to rearrange too much.
Personally, my ethics are that I don't do adult pics. There's too much of it as it is, and most of it is very cheap and shallow. In this case, I did this picture knowing that such pictures attract attention. If I draw nude chars, then I won't draw anatomical details. I want to try to keep my pictures as accessible and tasteful as possible. They might be a tad risquΓ© at times, but I'm not about to go Dr. Comet/Max Blackrabbit/Crowchild on everyone. It's just a boundary I have in place. I'm very aware that this is likely to badly impact my chances, but I believe in delivering quality content and, hopefully, being recognisable for that fact.
Well, my intended profession is character design/concept art, which'll include creature art. I don't need to explain that to you as you're very skilled in creature modeling. I am continually trying something new; if that means I end up doing a couple 'people pics' then that's just what happens, y'know? Ultimately it means I can bring more skill to my work, professionally or as freelance.
As for this picture being very over-blinned XD A) good thing I use 3DS Max otherwise I wouldn't have gotten "blinn", and B) I agree. This is really shiny; it almost has a marker feel to it (on the hair). It was done quite quickly which I feel is part of the selling point.
Anyway
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Do the USD. Canadians know what that is. Your Journal had pounds the last time I checked.
It sucks that I know of those artists... You can always go for really, sickengly cute. Furries though don't buy people art much, but by no means you can't draw them. The best monster creatures are ones that betray some sense of human-like characteristics. (Just play/watch Silent Hill.) Got a bit more of an alien thing going on your end, so it seems. Concept art is a bit different, and you're going to have to start loving loads of backgrounds. Commission work is commission work in the end, and anything else you do will likely be seperate and for practice.
If you use Photoshop, the other term would be "Dodge and Burned". Creates the same overly incadescent sort of look, and is really intended to spot edit bad exposures in photos.
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Yeah, I use Photoshop. I use Linear Dodge (Add) as a layer blending mode, and then set my Opacity to about 3% and my flow to 12%, just to get a nicer finish. There are many other layers that build up a finished piece; combinations of screen, overlay, linear dodge, multiply... just normal, too, which helps to make some ambience in the scene. Sometimes I use soft light but that's a bit of a pig to get right, as is screen. But when it works out it looks great.
My journal needs some updating but now I at least have some pretty good direction with it all. It ought to be fairly straight forward to organise it.
Silent Hill - my goodness D: I tried to play that once and was so taken by the atmosphere in the game that I had to stop. Being such a classic it'd be a shame to not pick it back up again! Watched it though; I feel it was somewhat over done in the end =/ but otherwise very enjoyable!
Backrounds and environments, they're things I'd love to be very good at. I have an eye for composition and perspective (you kind of need it when you do animation). I currently have 2 pics that have experimented a little with envs, but I feel there's some technique I'm missing - some hidden professional jewel - that'll bring it all together. I intend on going to Vancouver after I graduate to build up that side of my skill set - or firmly establish it as there'll be much practicing between now and then ;D
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Lizardbeth was well known before her comic. Her prices are based upon her needs. She has to pay her bills. Prices are also calculated by how many an artist will take at one time. Some artists do not take very many because they may be slow, or do not have the time to do more. Therefor it is reasonable to charge higher prices to fill those needs (in this case bills that need to be paid.) Lizardbeth was the first example to come to mind. There are other strickly PG artists out there who have cheaper prices and are popular. Lizardbeth is also an established professional. Those prices are LOW for graphic design standards. She has a big enough base to get her needs filled. But that is not the point. She does not draw adult content and was able to get where she is today. You dont NEED to draw adult rated things to become popular. THAT was my point.
Your assumptions for popular artists charging an arm and a leg are not accurate. YES, there are a good handfull of the top top artists who do. But again, this also is to fill their needs (for some) or for the fact that the quality of the artwork is actually EVIDENT for the price. Therefore people are willing to pay. But i have commissioned artists that are popular and i dont HAVE money to spend. Yet, i am able to get commissions from them because they are cheap. -shrugs- This is just to show you that not all popular artists charge overpriced prices for artwork. And honestly, artwork is still a job and we SHOULD be getting paid minimum wage, but that is not how this day and age works.
As i said, some of your posts had very valid points. It is just not entirely fair that you group people together when not all do a certain thing, etc.
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Most are by adult works. Not all. And not all of them charge an arm and a leg, but a lot of them do. That was a blanket statement, so my apologies for that.
I think at that point some people are idiots and will buy anything if the person is popular, no matter what the cost or quality is. Unless you're that type of person, you can't charge anything for everything. Well, have to see how it goes for Denizen. Only time is a good indicator.
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A appreciate your apology. Thank you. It is never fun when grouping all people of one kind together. When, no one is ever the same :3
Hmm not sure if its idiocy, but that they want it enough, they have the money, so they get it. I know plenty of commissioners who have ridiculously well paying jobs and so they have no problem paying, for example, Strype's commission prices. (like 300+ >. > single character. He does have talent, EXTREMELY good talent. But its not something i could ever afford. He also doesn't have open commission slots. He normally auctions off his commission spots. One of them went for $800 a year or so back o.O crazzeeeey)
Denizen is very adaptable and has been trying to gather input not only here, but other communities as well. So he is not without open mindedness. :3
He's been commissioned before, but now, i guess its time for seriousness with it :3 I do have a good feeling about his work though~
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Can't justify the expense. Just can't.
I gave him a couple more useful pointers. Hopefully something from that list works.
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I can justify it, because the guy does work long hours and the detail (and the fact this guy is one of very few artists who can draw armor, mechanics, cyborgs, ships, and other sci-fi stuff to a detail that i've not seen from anyone else.) But i'd never purchase it. Its justifyable for the detail and ammount of effort that goes into the art. They are breathtaking. But, its not something i'd ever be able to purchase. Nor would i feel comfortable with it XD
Well, we'll have to wait and see~
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Ok, I've just taken a good long look at commission pricing guides, and I must say that I don't think I'm too far off with mine. Some people are charging more than double my full coloured option for clean line art. I saw one on FA that had a price of $85 (where I'd charge $30), and some would charge +$55 for additions.
I don't aim to over charge people, because I feel that, in many ways, may be dishonest. I aim to present prices which reflect the amount of work, care and attention that goes into a picture. Of course, I also need to consider profit (as we all do) and so that's also balanced against my current needs.
I've priced this up in CAD, as mentioned in the description, but I live in the UK; it wouldn't be practical to price things up in pounds sterling as the greater capture range is in the States and Canada
I am carefully considering what you're saying and I'm more than happy to reassess these prices if need be
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Note popularity. Also if you're searching by "Popular" in either case, most of those people are 'top' artists, and unfortunately most people reference that. It's not realistic.
Truthfully, charging minimum wage for art, based on how long you take isn't particularly realistic. If you take 3-4 hours, and minimum wage is roughly $10 cad, then usually it's lower than minimum when it comes to art. Most people can't survive on an artist wage. And most people aren't willing to pay big bucks unless a.) you're really good b.) you're really popular c.) you excel at something really kinky. You may get the furries on Fur Affinity to buy for what you charge, however, you simply will not get that on dA. People on dA are stingy, and it's simply not a commission culture.
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Perhaps you're familiar with the exchange rate between Canada and England, but in the off chance you aren't, then $10 CAD = (after PayPal) Β£6 GBP. Relatively speaking, there isn't all too much you can do with Β£6, but a few of those will get me to University and back.
The really good artists here and on FA started somewhere. They probably started off super cheap, with raffles, gifts, prizes, contests, that sort of thing. Once they built up some following (and after much effort) they probably introduced commissions and pricings that were equally questioned. They probably attended cons and gained some attention that way - though I appreciate not all - and slowly, gradually built a reputation
I think in some way you may be both misinterpreting what I'm trying to achieve here, and underselling the culture on dA. I know a friend of mine at times receives a lot of interest and commission requests - enough that they were able to help her survive, though it wasn't easy by any means. So I think the -interest- is there, but the community needs a lot of convincing because the target audience is relatively young, and/or has very high expectations.
Which brings us onto your first point: being really good. Yes, if you're really good, then chances are people will be more sold on the idea of paying for your services. I acknowledge, too, that drawing kinky stuff attracts a lot of attention.
I'm quick to improve and experiment, and I don't believe in doing just one thing. If someone wants something smutty then I'll well receive the request, but if I feel that those services may be better served elsewhere then I won't mislead the person asking just for the sake of a few quid.
To clarify exactly what I'm trying to do here: I'm looking to offset some of my weekly expenditure, by a comparatively modest percentage, while I apply for jobs. I have no intention, and nor am I under illusions regarding the profitability (or lack thereof), of trying to survive by doing this. I simply want to, in a small way, lessen the impact of the out-goings.
I should also like to add that what you see here is simply an example and not to be seen as the be-all and end-all of the quality on offer. There is a high chance that a finished piece will be higher in quality than that shown here
Would you have any suggestions on what would help qualify the prices here against their respective examples?
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My stance for you is the two things 1.) You're probably ripping someone off when I know better artists that are cheaper. 2.) That if you start off high, you might scare off people and not get any business.
I wouldn't be able to provide valid examples, unless I link to the very few people I even know of on FA (and I'm not linking to that porn infested, insta-ban thing). And as for dA, few people I know of have much success, then again, I'm associated with the Mewtwo community, and most people low ball and aren't successful still.
Try with what you've got, and if you've got no nibbles in a few weeks, maybe you will have to consider taking it down a few notches. That will be the best indicator in the end.
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That's fair enough. I'll take that all as advisory and will see how it goes
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Wow...you're an amazing artist...I'd love to commission you if I had the cash...unfortunately I'm broke as it is
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thank you! I hope everything goes good for your artwork
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Thanks ^^ Fingers crossed for the both of us! ^^!
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Hmmn. Perhaps when I get paid next.
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