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mclj10 [2015-02-04 22:22:18 +0000 UTC]
I would remove the crowns too monarchistic for a true socialist nation.
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dlink97 In reply to mclj10 [2015-02-05 19:33:33 +0000 UTC]
is a mural crown vice the royal crown. The royal crown symbolice the monarchy, but a mural crown symbolice the People
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Van-Dunkelschreiber [2014-11-03 20:47:26 +0000 UTC]
the International Brigades for Ukrain logo looks lime the logo of a car brand
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ramones1986 [2014-08-05 07:21:17 +0000 UTC]
You forgot RTVE and/or FORTA...
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dlink97 In reply to ramones1986 [2014-08-05 18:25:09 +0000 UTC]
I don't forget it, but they don't change when Spain is a Republic
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ramones1986 In reply to dlink97 [2014-08-11 04:02:16 +0000 UTC]
Oh, OK.
Nevertheless, you should make their alt-logos (if that's possible).
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dlink97 In reply to ramones1986 [2014-08-12 09:08:58 +0000 UTC]
You're right, whatever. On a nextΒ alternate historyΒ work I will try to include that. Thank you.
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ramones1986 In reply to dlink97 [2014-11-02 13:44:52 +0000 UTC]
Can we see an updated version?
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dlink97 In reply to ramones1986 [2014-11-03 17:44:29 +0000 UTC]
not know what to upgrade
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ramones1986 In reply to dlink97 [2014-11-04 11:00:10 +0000 UTC]
I mean the updated version of your post (alt-RTVE and FORTA logos included).
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dlink97 In reply to ramones1986 [2014-11-04 19:26:18 +0000 UTC]
I said, RTVE don't change when Spain is a republic
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ramones1986 In reply to dlink97 [2014-11-05 11:23:32 +0000 UTC]
Oh, OK. I understand...
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ramones1986 In reply to dlink97 [2015-03-22 22:39:14 +0000 UTC]
Thanks a lot!
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Xanthoc [2014-08-03 03:51:07 +0000 UTC]
I'd say nix the crown. I doubt it'd be a symbol kept by a Socialist/Communist/Stalinist Spanish Republic. Also, what's with the Ukrainian stuff? Is that referring to current events there in OTL?
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dlink97 In reply to Xanthoc [2014-08-03 10:08:49 +0000 UTC]
The crown not represent the monarchy but the Republic, because it's a mural crown, not a monarchical crown. The mural cronw was a symbol of the Second Spanish Republic.
(by the way, socialist/communist/stalinist are three words to exactly the same meaning xD)
About to Ukraine is for militia Donbass, Donetsk and Lugansk (Novorossia): That region or state has no sovereignty recognized by any capitalist country (except Russia) but yes it is recognized by North Korea and Cuba. Does not that tell you anything? Militants there want to proclaim their independence to escape the fascist-capitalist state of Ukraine who commits atrocities just as Israel it massacres Palestine
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Xanthoc In reply to dlink97 [2014-08-03 22:49:30 +0000 UTC]
Well technically Stalinist is a (brutal) form of communism, and socialism is (supposed to be) a separate ideology entirely. But I digress. As for the crown, it may have been used by the Spanish Republic, but this is supposed to be a Republic after a Communist revolution, no? Mural or monarchical, a crown is still a symbol of the elite and royalty.Β
As for Ukraine, I meant that little badge there next to the post logo. I'm a supporter of the Federal State of Novorossiya, personally, I just meant that I wasn't sure if that badge/logo was referring to the situation in our timeline (OTL) or one in some alternate history. I was mainly confused by the fact that it says 'for Ukraine & International Ukrainian friends'. Wouldn't a communist Spain support the FSN (Novorossiya)?
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dlink97 In reply to Xanthoc [2014-08-03 23:08:04 +0000 UTC]
oh, come on -_-
every good communist should know that "stalinism" is a falace, a capitalist and fascist propaganda. Stalin was marxist-leninist, and that is the socialism everybody believe.
no, a mural crown is a symbol of PEOPLE, not a elite o royalty (there is royalty in a Republic?)
The name is little confused...Β I recognize it's not the best name, but the other side is all the more confused
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Xanthoc In reply to dlink97 [2014-08-04 17:00:18 +0000 UTC]
Well Stalinism would refer to his political tactics and implementation of programs, as well as the focus of those programs. Further, socialism is the concept of using government as a means of sharing wealth and enabling equality, although ideas of enterprise and free market are still in use. Communism is supposed to be the complete removal of the free market and eventually the removal of the state itself.
As for the crown, I was saying that a crown added to a coat of arms, while not used to represent the wealthy, is still a symbol of them, as it is a heraldic symbol often placed to reference the size of the area controlled by a lord. And a Republic would use such an item as they were mainly moderates and using that crown in place of the royal one on the coat of arms was a nice fuck you to the monarchy. However, a communist regime would try to do away with any relation to old aristocratic ideas and symbols.
And really, if it is the same situation in this timeline as ours, then make it the "International Brigades for Novorossiya & International Novorossiyan friends".Β
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dlink97 In reply to Xanthoc [2014-08-05 18:31:32 +0000 UTC]
Continues to be a fallacy. Stalin was a Marxist-Leninist, and that's the socialist current most requested. Of course, in my opinion, is better than Maoism or Trotskyism.
I think you're right. But I still think that the coat of arms represents its own territory, an independent people. What sets this republic of feudalism is not the coat, but there are no oppressors. Of course it is another personal opinion, so you can change the symbol if you want.Β
Is true. No objection, this has indeed been a fault of mine. Thanks for correct me.
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