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ZephyrTheFox24 In reply to ??? [2015-06-06 03:39:21 +0000 UTC]

XD

Marines don't die, they just go to hell and regroup!

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ZephyrTheFox24 In reply to DiscJockeyCandy [2015-06-06 03:39:43 +0000 UTC]

XDD

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ZephyrTheFox24 In reply to thetnknownbrony [2015-06-06 03:40:04 +0000 UTC]

'MURICA!

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bullshark45 In reply to Trelewis3 [2013-01-16 15:38:12 +0000 UTC]

nah, too small and way too close, rocket or grenade maybe

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Naotachai In reply to Gargu [2010-03-20 07:32:56 +0000 UTC]

The machinegun is a FN MAG/M240.

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Distilledwasteland In reply to Naotachai [2012-11-30 00:54:40 +0000 UTC]

Is it a bravo or November? I can't quite tell.

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Gargu In reply to Naotachai [2010-03-27 11:38:35 +0000 UTC]

What were you guys against, Mahdi Army?

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ramusx In reply to Gargu [2010-10-07 00:47:22 +0000 UTC]

yep

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Trelewis3 In reply to fighterace2688 [2011-04-26 22:56:07 +0000 UTC]

looks like it.

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extremerebirth1 In reply to marcozambra [2012-09-11 00:59:32 +0000 UTC]

You consider those terrorists innocent people?

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shivand In reply to extremerebirth1 [2014-05-10 22:07:12 +0000 UTC]

Terrorists? lol

You invade a country, start killing their people, start killing anyone you suspect, you invade their homes, killing the fathers, sons, even the women. On the pretense of liberation, liberation from someone you sat in power, even the CIA has confessed that. And they are the terrorists. This is hilarious. No wonder the whole world thinks you are ignorant. 

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overseer In reply to shivand [2015-06-01 06:55:28 +0000 UTC]

There is plenty of propaganda to go around on either side. Let's not forget that governments make decisions and that it's a soldiers job to follow orders. It's their job. Calling every American ignorant is no different than calling everyone else a terrorist. It's wrong. Doesn't change the fact that soldiers on either side pay for decisions made by their governments. Political or religious, right or wrong.

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shivand In reply to overseer [2015-12-29 02:03:26 +0000 UTC]

Don't sugar coat this terror invasion. Why the fuck would you invade anyone's home and expect respect? If someone breaks in to your home with a gun and start shooting, what would your reaction be? Fuck anyone even trying to justify this invasion. Its just plain logic. Fuck the politics and religion, there is no logic in this; invading someone's home, killing family members and then expecting a welcome party.

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overseer In reply to shivand [2015-12-29 03:50:05 +0000 UTC]

I'm not sugar coating anything. I am not arguing politics, that is entirely beside the point. That is not what soliders are doing. Soldiers do their job, on either side. It's not a clean job, it may not even be justified, but that is not the solider's concern. The U.S. solider has family as much as the solider fighting on the other side. Of course there are always victims, but most of the time civilians are dragged into the line of fire for no reason. It's not a black and white, right or wrong situation. Of course I wouldn't want someone to invade my home, but for the burglar there is a justified reason; war never changes, there are never winners.

That being said, a soldier goes where they are sent, the decisions are made elsewhere. I'm neither condoning, nor condemning any actions taken, and usually there is more than one side to any medal. The bottom line is that the decisions are made at some kind of government level, and the pawns are then sent in to do the dirty work. I have respect for anyone who chooses to be a soldier, no matter what side they fight for, because living in a constant state of fear of death requires a strength of character, and ultimately the mastery of fear. That deserves respect.

If you're bitter due to a personal loss in the family, I am sorry, life is never something that should be wasted, but until our backwater race gets in their thick skulls that fighting over some idiotic faiths, territories, wealth and resources is not worth the hassle, it's nog going to change. And people that choose to put their own life on the line, especially if it's not some misguided idea of 'God told me to do it', but indeed just 'a day's work', then that deserves respect. Ultimately no one wins in a war. There is loss, pain, and in the end when the dust settles, everything is fucked up. Blaming the soldiers is not going to accomplish anything, they don't make the call, they carry out orders. And yes, blindly following orders doesn't help etc. bla, well, for them it's a job, it earns money to feed their own family at home. You can condemn any invasion all you like, and you can rightly do so, but there have been bad deeds on either side, and like I said, blame the politicians, blame the old men that shout loud and don't lift a finger while they send solider after solider into war to - potentially - die.

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shivand In reply to overseer [2016-01-27 00:16:25 +0000 UTC]

"War never changes", the fuck is this, a Fallout trailer?

I am not sure if you are serious, and I hope that you don't really believe what you just wrote. Because I can very easily draw a parallel to what you said and follow the same logic, which would lead us to the conclusion of ISIS terrorist pigs being respectful soldiers. They just follow orders, it is a job. 
But hey you have already said:

" And people that choose to put their own life on the line, especially if it's not some misguided idea of 'God told me to do it', but indeed just 'a day's work', then that deserves respect. "

In your view, that would be misguided, to follow some imaginary God's word, a man made creation. But then what the fuck isn't man made in this particular domain? Fighting for "your people"? That's nationality, man made bullshit, I don't give a fuck what country a person is coming from, a human being is a human being. Fight for race? Hey why don't we give Hitler a call and see if he can give some advice on how to create efficient concentration camps. Fight for any other type of ideology, capitalism, communism, anarchy? All man made bullshit. What do they fight for that is justified? Resources? Then they are thieves and murderers, gun for hire, nothing more nothing less, kind of like ISIS but with better media coverage and PR. 

This is very simple, it is extremely simple. All the ideologies, beliefs and anything that gives legitimacy to a country invading another country for no fucking reason, and killing over 500 000 children, is fucking bullshit. Anyone who commits this act, whether it is a politician or the actual murderers that carried out the attack, that made the useless words on paper into reality. That is basically what you are justifying, hey this makes an assassin being completly respectful occupation:

1- They put their life on the line.
2- It is just a job.
3- Goes where they are sent, the decisions are made elsewhere.
4- It's not a clean job, it may not even be justified, but that is not the assassin's concern.
5- I have respect for anyone who chooses to be an assassin, no matter what side they fight for, because living in a constant state of fear of death requires a strength of character, and ultimately the mastery of fear. That deserves respect.
6-  And yes, blindly following orders doesn't help etc. bla, well, for them it's a job, it earns money to feed their own family at home.

As I said, we can even exchange assassin with ISIS, Al-Qaida or any piece of shit terrorist organization you want. 

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overseer In reply to shivand [2016-01-27 04:20:42 +0000 UTC]

Man, talk about overshooting. You are WAY over interpreting everything I've said, and are twisting it into what you think you read; maybe I should've been clearer, but let me say this: If you take a moment to look at my art, my interests and what they stand for, you'd know that I'm neither condoning random killings, genocide, or any other form terrorism. You are right, everything is man made. There is a difference though to a "holy warrior" following a misinterpreted doctrine that anyone can just make up as they go along, or a political agenda that is, at least in official capacity, out in the open for people so see. The reasons may be lies, the cause may be wrong, but it's different when a group of soldiers are doing what they were trained to do as part of a profession, or a single person following some shady, unsupported ideology. Sure, a mercenary can also be a solider, or an assassin. Sure, you can parallel what I said, but you can draw parallels everywhere. That's all a matter of interpretation. Maybe for you that's one and the same thing, but in a world where everyone's pretty much gone nuts, you sometimes, not all the time, but sometimes have to make a distinction.

And yeah, nationalities, 'races' (meaning cultures), skin color, all that is bullshit. I agree. But neither yours, nor my opinion will make that go away. Humanity will push itself to the brink of extinction, and then some, before we are realizing what's going on. The "fighting for your people" argument was more meant localized, not in terms of country or government. When you're with a group of people - in this case soldiers - and you're pulling on the same string, or, if you happen to be their commanding officer, then you are entrusted with their lives, and your primary objective is to keep the people under your command alive; no matter what. You are fighting for/with your people. And I respect that. It has nothing to do with the overall mission, what the cause, the idea, or the goal is. Soldiers don't know that either. They were given a single mission, the greater picture is not decided on their level. If you really want to argue about no differentiation, and state a "human being is a human being", then you have to acknowledge a human being on all levels. Since you brought him up, let's use Hitler; that undoubtedly was Germany's darkest time in recent history, and anyone not acknowledging the atrocities that happened is, above all else an idiot, but the mass murder aside, his 'government' did rebuild the economy, and Germans still drive on freeways built during that time. If you start using examples, you have to look at all aspects. There is always going to be someone who's a hero to one, and a bastard to another. That's the problem with history is, it's written by whoever thought is on the winning side; except there rarely are winners.

That being said, there are plenty of people who are happy that foreign soldiers are in their country, because in case you haven't noticed, the locals are equally at the mercy of whatever religious extremism happens to be going on in their vicinity. There are plenty of independently made war documentary movies/books that explain just that. Soldiers aren't just there to fight, they also provide aid; whether it's food, medical, whichever. In a country that is war torn, there are indeed no winners. Period. And it's not as simple as one country making a call. Most of the decisions are made at NATO level. 28 countries that all take part in operations. Unfortunately that's as global an effort you'll get these days. I would be the first to rejoice in a "United Earth", I'd gladly see the entire idea of "different race/ethnicity" abolished, and replaced by the word "culture", because that is all it is. There is nothing glorious about war, and yes, the quote "war; war never changes" was coined by one of the original people behind the Fallout franchise. I used it, because it's true, not trying to make war out to be a game or however you might have understood it. Nothing has changed in centuries. Whether you march armies across the globe on foot, whether you ride on horse back, whether you drive into battle with tanks, or fly in a fighter yet. Methods have changed, and the ability to kill has become easier by the use of "distance through technology", but the end result never changed. The bottom line reasons never changed. . . .

The truth is, all we can honestly care about are the people in our immediate lives. That's the conclusion I draw. Elections are bogus, the "playing democracy" every few years might as well not happen, and if you know families that have lost people through war, in whichever way, then the people that make it through such an ordeal deserve respect. It's not clean, it's not glorious, but as much as a police officer, who puts their life on the line to uphold the law, a solider does the same thing on a larger scale. Ultimately the policy is made by the respective government, and the decisions are made on an international level. That can be translated into any profession. If you have a superior in your job, you sometimes have to do things you don't want to do. Not all of those tasks are life changing, most of them aren't, but still. That's how it works. Even if you're self-employed you have to abide by regulations, at the very least by the part of the government that deals with taxes. You cannot escape that. Humanity isn't fit to live without laws, because we are bunch of greedy, self-righteous morons. And that is why we have law enforcement, why we have military, why soldiers are doing what they do. They decided to be what they are and are fighting to uphold laws. Political, governmental, human, whichever. Not everyone is honorable, but neither is the human species as a whole.

You may not agree with me, and that's also your right, thankfully in our respective countries there is still such a thing as freedom of speech, but yes, if a person willingly puts their life on the line for something that was decided is the right thing to do by 28 countries (NATO), then to me, that deserves respect. You can argue about nuances, sure, but ultimately war still never changes. The small people, those that do not care about territory or grandiose agendas, suffer. Whether it's a solider or a civilian. And yes, I see a huge difference between representatives of several countries discussing a situation and making an informed decision in a council meeting, or some random band of people abusing, and misinterpreting a religious (and yes, man-made) text. That's the same with any religion; don't get me started on the Holy Inquisition of days past, otherwise I'll type until my fingers bleed. . . . .

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Trelewis3 In reply to marcozambra [2011-04-26 22:57:27 +0000 UTC]

We just follow orders.

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