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BlackBatFan [2014-12-07 12:55:06 +0000 UTC]
Really well done.
Even though the actress is not my first choice.
Lucy Hale is in the shortlist. But is is better X-23 can play.
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BlackBatFan In reply to DriftingSnow [2014-12-07 18:50:04 +0000 UTC]
Well Lucy got in with me Let's say place 4 of the possible
X-23 actors occupied. 3rd place is Summer Glau,
2 Marie Avgeropoulos, and 1st place India Eisley.
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DriftingSnow In reply to BlackBatFan [2014-12-08 06:17:13 +0000 UTC]
Summer Glau is on my short list for Dr. Sarah Kinney along with Eliza Dushku. I don't think she fits for Laura anymore as much as she did in her Firefly days. (Keep in mind we are talking actresses that can portray a 14-17 year old girl.) Plus either one presents an interesting passing of the torch symbolism because of their film libraries.
India Eisley could do well, but her filmography is already so heavy with these kinds of roles, there's no surprise factor to it and would evoke quick comparisons to her roles in other films of similar natures like Kite and even her role in Underworld.
Marie Avgeropoulos is an interesting choice though, and her role as Octavia over in the 100 really does showcase how well she could do in the role of Laura.
Hale I lean on personally because she fits all the criteria. Has some interesting side cameos like in the Scream series. Was also in the Bionic Woman remake(which even has a 1023 reference that could be capitalized on in fan circles!), and has a strong enough audience base with Pretty Little Liars and her music. She gives off an additional layer of no expectations, and presents a wide variety of aspects to the character overall. Also need to keep in mind that super hero roles are star vehicles. So already big screen established names can be skipped over because this is the kind of movie that would make a name immediately top tier established. Like Hunger Games and X-Men First class did for Jennifer Lawrence. Or like the role of Wolverine did for Hugh Jackman.
She's also shown previously on screen to have good onscreen chemistry with Ashley Benson who would make a perfect Megan Kinney. And Ms. Hale also has onscreen chemistry with Shay Mitchell who presents interesting potential as Kimura while also fixing a few plot hole points about Kimura herself.
I've been leaning away from Naya Rivera as Kimura lately, because I honestly think that role might begin to typecast her into the same personality types too much, and for balance she needs something more along the lines of White Tiger instead.
Gomez would make for an interesting young Morales though, or Kimura. And I definitely think America Chavez is perfect for her. Same to Hale as Kate Bishop.
I've been really digging the idea of a more rookie agent for Morales, to let Domino fill Captain America's role in the origin for a better bridge gap to an X-Force feature series. This allows for a rookie Morales to take over Domino's former case load with the MRD (SHIELD is in marvel rights) when she goes rogue to form X-Force. And it creates more interesting dynamics for Not Forgotten by having the characters closer to age, and also creates better story by not having Morales' veteran status seem like she's inept by being deceived by the Facility at first. It's such a rookie mistake anyway, so why not make the character a well trained top of her class rookie anyway? Being newer to the job alleviates that story point, and gives her that experience moment of deciding what she's doing with an agency like the MRD for better character growth and story usage later in an X-Force serial franchise.
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DriftingSnow In reply to BlackBatFan [2014-12-08 17:06:38 +0000 UTC]
I've been thinking about this way too much.
There's still some stuff that needs to be ironed out.
But personally, I'd say for X-Force they should follow marvel's avengers example, and with Deadpool's movie coming soon, they have a chance to do that.
Personally, I'm hoping they go Deadpool, X-23, and a Wolverine movie, then bring the v3 X-Force team together with a small dab of uncanny X-Force but start off with a mix of the Old Ghosts story and Leper Queen story, to build into a not forgotten sequel, and then the 3rd movie should be a more original story. (Which I'd want to add Blink to, because portals and X-23's acrobatics/tactics would be fun!)
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BlackBatFan In reply to DriftingSnow [2014-12-08 17:36:46 +0000 UTC]
I hope also the X-23 in the third Wolverine solo movie
occur that would be so cool.
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DriftingSnow In reply to BlackBatFan [2014-12-08 20:02:23 +0000 UTC]
I'm hoping it's code for her movie.
Ideally, it brings his story full circle because of the speech he gives her at the end of Target X, and makes for a fitting parallel ending to his initial trilogy.
Deadpool is already set, and there aren't many other stories for wolverine solo left to be told that are worth filming. The ones remaining need her to established prior to those tales too. Daken is best suited for a 4th wolverine film. They need a movie away from Japan before diving back into that story line. A back to roots science one would be best since it'd also cover his 'updated' origin thanks to Days of Future Past. So really hope it's her origin story next. Makes the most sense to establish Domino as well as start setting up the pieces for X-Force. So keeping my fingers crossed.
Hoping they don't do the completely idiotic idea of merging X-23 and Daken to make the cinematic version both of their character traits combined. That'd kill both potential franchises, and completely ruin the character dynamics alongside what they represent.
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BlackBatFan In reply to DriftingSnow [2014-12-09 19:52:20 +0000 UTC]
No please no Daken and not Romulus.
Rather cool villains such as Omega red.
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DriftingSnow In reply to BlackBatFan [2014-12-09 20:14:49 +0000 UTC]
Romulus is a no. Thankfully X-men origins completely wrote that out entirely and for good. The early part of the movie is before the DOFP time reset, so that thankfully stays intact and kiboshes Romulus entirely.
Daken could be used, but he'll need major tweaks. His film would mostly be a revenge for his abandonment type story though, but it could pull in a ton of side Weapon X cameos and other similar projects like Omega Red among others. The problem with Daken's story is it focuses so heavily on the Muramasa blade even without Romulus. And that aspect would have to be entirely written out. So if his story is ever approached, it's best saved for much later.
X-23 should definitely come first. And it really isn't that hard to adapt either. Changing Steve Rogers to Domino(as an agent for the MRD), Matt Murdock to Cypher(as a mutant rights lawyer that works with the MRD), and SHIELD to the MRD, pretty much fixes all the problems of a straight up adaptation.
Then all that's left is some minor dialogue changes and additions in spots to elaborate on Kimura a bit better, and make X-23's origins clearer for a general audience to understand instead of using such heavy innuendo and implied aspects even comic readers miss.
With Kimura, changing her character slightly to having been 'rescued' from a human trafficking ring she fell into after her grandmother passed away gives her more dedication to Zander Rice and also explains better why she vents her anger at Laura. It also adds an additional layer of anger when Zander is taken out of the movie at the end of the first act and gives her character more drive for the vendetta later too in Not Forgotten when she turns on even the facility itself finally.
This also adds another sub tone that helps fix a few other small issues to the character like the girl on girl abuse that's constant in the film and pushes it back to being more male caused.
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BlackBatFan In reply to DriftingSnow [2014-12-10 19:13:20 +0000 UTC]
The problem is that X-men comic book fans and X-23 fans but what can do with X-23 start, but the Nomalen cinema viewers hold not. They are the ones that are the most money have.
Des because X- 23 währe solo film rather badly.
It would be better to incorporate them in a movie with Logan.
Sara took Kinney that a DNS test Straker him for example that finds Logan. The villain of Malcom Colcord had created a "weapon" from this sample. This weapon is X-23. This story of kind of not quite prepared as in the X-23 comics is tragic. But the normal cinema would visitors they just understand.
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DriftingSnow In reply to BlackBatFan [2014-12-10 20:01:05 +0000 UTC]
Cinema goers would understand it more now than a few years ago. The main two origins can be used for best effect because they have the most to draw from with symbolism.
Since DOFP has reset the timeline of how weapon x happened, the innocence lost origin works fine. Mostly what's needed is a better explanation of Dr. Rice's innuendo when he tells Dr. Kinney she has to be the surrogate. The rest of the drive is there with the corporate espionage aspects that movie-goers can easily understand corporate greed. And thanks to other movies like Species, Hanna, and Splice, there's already film precedent for the majority of the story to stay intact. With modern science the way it is and how it's progressing, it also hits that underlying fear. The main problem with Splice is it went too heavy for disgusting shock factors, and Hanna was done amazingly well but it didn't have the audience it could have had because it was an entirely new intellectual property that people were unsure of and because of it's more independent film nature it didn't have the budget for the marketing needed. Species gained two sequels and even a TV series though.
Colcord I'd save for a later story. Sticking to the X-23 origin doctors works best because then it isolates most of her origin and they aren't needed for any other story which creates a more satisfying outcome for cinema goers anyway that would want to see those characters dispatched because of the child abuse within the story. So Colcord would be best saved for a sequel.
X-23 is lucky in that regard since the majority of her story is self-contained there's really no need to change her origin outside of the rights issues. Colcord comes into play for too many other stories so he's also one of those best saved for later characters.
And Logan is in her origin. Mostly at the end, but that creates a fitting full circle finale for him anyway. If needed they could also up his appearances by adding him when he got the letter, and went to look for Laura and Sarah. But as an art form, and cinema techniques, it's better to leave the framing point as the letter being read in Dr. Kinney's voice for the first act with the transition to Laura's interview voice over for the 2nd act, which brings it all together for Wolverine with the 3rd act. This keeps the film techniques in place and gives audiences easy entry-ways into the overall franchise. Too many changes for changes sake won't help audiences, and instead may lose the audience like X-Men Origins: Wolverine did. The idea is to avoid that kind of mess, and at the same time stick to the comics while also providing new aspects to draw upon to branch out the cinematic world without directly impacting too much yet. Subtle cameos are the best way to go for that with Domino, Cypher, Dazzler, and whatever students are at the academy when she goes to wolverine.
The dramatic tension of scenes, the action, and the metaphors already in place will pull viewers in pretty easily.
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BlackBatFan In reply to DriftingSnow [2014-12-08 21:25:23 +0000 UTC]
In my fantasy, I had even written a screenplay.
Like a third Wolverine movie from X-23 might see.
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DriftingSnow In reply to BlackBatFan [2014-12-09 06:01:53 +0000 UTC]
I did write one that was adapted from Innocence lost and target X, but it needs the new implementations and some small fixes. It was a straight up adaptation using Morales in place of Cap, and Ramsey in place of Murdock. The Ramsey to murdock bit can stay, but the morales bit should be switched to Domino to better use Morales as a slow build into Not Forgotten which could even give fox an MRD tv show. Primetime NCIS with mutants could actually do really well. Wicked as a coroner could be fun too.
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