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Well at least that's the majority of the introductory exposition done with. Now it's onto the action.And yes I'm aware the bloody vehicle has somehow gotten bigger from the inside.
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Hey, don't sweat it. I'm pretty sure MOST of Urpgor's vehicles were bigger on the inside. It's just classic cartoon "whatever's funniest" logic. The only problem I really see is that in the closeup of Urpgor's face, the transparency effect you used for his glasses also effects his eyes, making the background visible through them.
But still, amazing posing, faces and composition as usual. And I love the classic gag of a mundane action being given some official code.
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I think it may have worked better if I hadn't shown the inside already in proper size on the earlier pages.
Ah, that's because Urpgor(s) are entirely placed with transparent effect, so as to give the idea he's speeding around.
Thanx again. I was thinking of using it as running gag should I make more stories, with them getting stranger and more mundane or obscure each time.
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That's psudo-science for you.
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Oh lord their screaming faces...it shall forever haunt me in my sleep for years D:
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Glad I could place in a bit of Nightmare Fuel into my work.
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This is...you know what's coming.
You did an exellent job on Amberley's expressions in this comic and a great job at making Urpgor look more loonier then usual, as Frizz would put it. 
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Well tha...you know what's coming too.
You'll like the next page then, lots of 'flustered Amberley' gags there.
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The Urpneys will be putting their plan of creating a 'noisy diversion' into action takes off. I guess you'll have some idea of how to draw Amberley being tired from 'The Knitted Balloon' I take it.
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Yep, finally the stories got past the intro and is beginning to take off.
A bit, I like tinkering with my own unique expressions though. I do try to keep her design as close to her cuter Season One form as possible though.
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It's all coming together quite nicely indeed.
Cuter in Season 1? If anything I thought the Noops got cuter with each passing season and the Urpneys got well..more stupid.
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Glad you're liking it.
I sorta prefered the more streamlined designs from early on. The designs for Season Two onwards were too over the top cute, to the point of ugliness (sorta reminds me what Chuck Jones did to the Looney Tunes characters later on). There are elements I like of the later redesigns, but only that which make the characters more expressive (eg. Urpgor).
I thought the Urpneys got smarter (though not by very much). They seemed to have more 'Not So Harmless' moments in the later seasons (the nearest to the Noops 'losing' an episode was in Season Three), even if they were still usually trounced easily.
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Fair enough about the Urpneys, by then Frizz and Nug would have caught wise to Urpgor abusing them with each new invention each time they were sent to steal The Dreamstone and the later series did show off that Urpgor would betray Zordrak, if he ever had the chance to he would.
The change in animation studios would have partially explainned a few of the animation changes in later series.
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Most of the time they seem to know Urpgor is abusing them, they just give up trying to resist it. There also seem more instances they get back at him in later episodes (compared to the first season where he seems to be on the winning end more often). The same seems to imply a little towards their war with the Noops, there at least seem less points the heroes completely bombard them compared to the first season, and even a couple points they exploit when they get too cocky around them (eg. it becomes an outright running gag in Frozen Assets).
True, Moving Images had much better animation, but uglier designs. The same studios did Legends of Treasure Island and I feel largely the same.
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indeed the series 1 LOTI characters were more slimlined, Series 2's were slightily more 'cutified', if that's even a word. Oh how it would be interesting if one of the top Japanese studios got to animate these shows and no it would be like an anime, these studios are VERY versitile when it comes to alternate styles of animation.
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Moving Images work better in terms of fluidity and expressive animation but had uglier more gangly designs, while Fil-Cartoons had cruder stiffer animation but cuter design work. Both studios seemed to have the noticable tendancy to use all their budget on Urpney scenes however (usually ones with Urpgor, with were very zany and fluid).
True it's interesting to see all the style differences with different animation studios. Some Disney shows have similar erratic qualities for example (Talespin for example, they had animation exported from about five or six studios, their own unit in France almost rivaled their movies while their Japanese one was very crisp and slightly anime-like, they also got animation exported from other more low budget studios).
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Well anime was quite big in France during the 80's, and they imported a lot of anime then, in fact most of Europe had an anime boom at that time, but it never really caught on in the UK, unless it was an English dub of a show produced in America and brought over here...actually I take that back, Dogtabian andWilly Fog were very popular shows. 
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As said, Disney used exported work from overseas studios a lot. It was interesting to see the characters in the different design styles, sort of reminds me how all the classic era cartoons had different studios and art styles (eg. watch a Bob Clampett Daffy Duck short, then a Chuck Jones or Robert McKimson one).
I admit it may be due to animators not being given much personality to get to grips with compared to the Urpneys. I always wonder whether it was a case of the staff never quite gaining a passion for the heroes or them subtlely turning the show into a Villain Protagonist story (probably subtely so they could still market the cuter heroes for merchandise purposes). I feel the team Jupp got for his work had a much greater fondness for villains than heroes and sort of skewed his projects accordingly, the same thing happened with Bimble's Bucket from what I remember, which had the exact same team on it. Charismatic likeable villains vs somewhat bland goody goody heroes.
The Dreamstone pilot was the exception to this, likely because it was more directly based on Jupp's original story plans. It did seem odd though, they seemed to have a very good understanding of Rufus' character there.
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That's why both you and I lie the opening special so much because of that fact that Rufus was given more personality and character in that opening special and was certanly balanced with the other characters on the show. 
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I don't think it was just the personality changes that made the good guys less rootable though. Even outside they give the heroes so very few pitiable qualities, to the point they come off as outright unlikeable at times.
The show had a clear 'winners against losers' dynamic. The heroes always beat the Urpneys handily, and never really seemed to go much hardship or effort to gain a victory. Even the odd times the Urpneys did something competent, fate still skewed things so that they won with no problem at all (eg. The Nightmare Stone, The Spidermobile). Even discounting this, the potential for threat wasn't even there, and they actually had much less to lose than the Urpneys did (either the Noops get scary dreams or the Urpneys slowly get their numbers thinned out).
Add to that, as you said, the writers prefered the villains, but made them so they were practically nice guys, to the point I rarely thought they actually deserved their punishment each episode. Harmless villains are often sympathetic, but they are still usually ill meaning jerks who walk into each defeat out of arrogance or spite. The Urpneys are docile, impersonal cowards who are dragged kicking and screaming into each mission. This requires a lot of suspension of disbelief with the heroes, who seem aware of this, but have a very apathetic outlook of it and still feel they are as irredeemable and deserving of their punishment as Zordrak. It didn't help that they were much less easy going and pragmatic than most invincible heroes, and there were actually far more times they went out of their way to spite the Urpneys than vice versa.
Rufus worked in the pilot because he subverted pretty much all of this. Not only was he more vibrant personality wise, he was clearly the underdog and struggling throughout the whole thing. He was also pretty simplistic in his goals, only interested in getting the stone and his friends back safe than paying the Urpneys out for stuff they are forced into doing. I think the dynamic worked so much better at that point because it allowed both sides to be seem very sympathable, both being rather pragmatic equals who are only trying to preserve themselves and take as much abuse as they dish out. Making the heroes infallible and aggressively self righteous just spoiled the entire dynamic and made the show seem too mean spirited.
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I probably wouldn't go too in depth over the 'over analysis' of the show, since remember it was only there for entertainment purposes as fara s ITV were concerned, they merily wanted a series of episodes to entertain kids for 22 minutes, and they certanly got what they wanted. They weren't really in to tell a huge epic tale of sorts, that's where fanfics come in.
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I admit I'm probably overthinking it WAY too much, but in the end it's these subtle elements that play a lot into what makes a likeable cast. Just because it's a kids show doesn't mean it shouldn't have plausible depth, especially since it seemed like Jupp had a lot of passion for his idea.
Warner Bros went to intricate levels to make Bugs Bunny a 'defensive only' character for example, they actually created a lot of new more belligerent villains after they felt Elmer's pitiful streak made Bugs look like a 'bully'.
Have a Happy New Year too.
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Some people probably would have seen that between Elmer and Bugs.
At the end of the day Mike Jupp was just glad his creation(s) were on TV, though he had to sacrifice a lot to make it happen, who knows what The Dreamstone would have been like if Jupp had full control over the show from the start?
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And the thing was, Elmer was actually higher up the villain chart than the Urpneys were. He at least was trying to kill Bugs by his own free will. He even got to beat Bugs a handful of times.
Well The Dreamthief pilot gives some rough idea at least. I think it is a shame the team skewed his ideas so, and what's more annoying is that is was by such subtle yet effective ways. I've always seen The Dreamstone as one of those 'with just a few tweeks it would be perfect' type shows, maybe what obsessed me into making my own story of it.
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The Dreamtheif was OK, but I certanly apprciated a few of the changes they made, like re-desinging the Noops to be more simplier in design and not having children voice Rufus or Amberley as they're clearly not children. Yeah you do have to feel sorry for the Urpneys for the position that they are in, a similar thing can be said for Queen Kak's Sleasians in Bimble's Bucket. The Looney Tunes cartoons defenately had the creators have more say on how the characters shoukd intereact with each other.
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Yeah I prefered the newer designs. I'm mixed about the voices, the finalized ones, similar to the animators, didn't seem like they had a lot to work anyway with so came out a bit bland. This is especially so for Rufus' voice, in the pilot he had more personality to grip with so he seemed to give more emotion, without any personality later on all he had left to use was a slightly annoying semi falsetto. I thought they were children, or at least teenagers, they are refered to as 'children' and 'young noop' several times over in the show, just they have a matured lifestyle.
I think the problem was the writers were trying too hard to emulate a Looney Tunes dynamic, but oversimplified it and overlooked the basic rules of karma the shorts kept (Wile E Coyote was similarly very pitiful and much more likeable than the Road Runner, but the key rule Chuck Jones made was that he could quit anytime and he brought all his abuse on himself from his arrogance and bumbling). The shorts indeed had more creative freedom for the creators, or at least the directors, who usually decided anything and everything that went into them outside an executive (that they never listened to).
It did seem like they were trying to fix this problem at times, sometimes by changing the dynamic (in some episodes, the heroes didn't actually attack or even notice the Urpneys, who screwed up everything on their own) or utilizing a different character (eg. using Urpgor as the main villain, who WAS a willing sadistic bastard, or pitting them against Spildit, who was a much more playful heroine, and seemed more willing to help the Urpneys if they didn't decide to keep exploiting her instead). In the end though, I don't think they refined the dynamic properly and were too distracted in making the Urpneys funny and over the top pitiful than developing the universe properly.
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They did try to produce some kind of ongoing storyline which could have been dynamic for a kid's show like this, before the inclusion of the more cutesy and easier to handle stuff, but by Series 3's end that pretty much was thrown out the window, but then Series 3 and 4 were produced at the smae time just to fill in an order by ITV and thus why the rights to The Dreamstone were divided.
I like to think of Rufus and Amberley as both being 16 years of age, teenagers, but still at that age the 'young Noops' would still have much to learn about the world of creating dreams etc.
I never really saw The Dreamstone as being like Looney Tunes, so I guess they fell flat on their faces with that one.
Spildit did an an interesting twist, in fact it's Sploot from Bimble's Bucket reversed, with a good guy helping the bad guys inadvertently, instead of the other way like in that show. Though Spildit did came of as being the most annoying character in the eyes of quite a few fans, at a time where Sue Radley was trying to introduce many more female charcaters to add to The Dreamstone universe, besides Amberley. Bimble's Bucket had at least 4 female characters intruduced, so fortunately it didn't have that same issue that Dreamstone had.
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Seasons One and Two had continuity, but I think the later Seasons (or at the very least Season Three) executed the dynamic a little better. It had some of the better implemented episodes using their formula (eg. Urpgor's Great Adventure, The Dream Beam Invasion). I found a few of the later episodes less flawed than the orginals, and almost on par with the pilot (even if they still never quite reached that high point again).
Makes sense, while they have mature traits, they do still seem a bit childish. Amberley in particular is rather precocious while still being a little brat deep down.
A lot of episodes seemed very hyperactive and slapstick based, not to mention how Wile E Coyote-esque some of the Urpneys plans were.
I thought she was a good addition, and at the very least made the Urpneys' position seem less cruel. I kinda wished they'd tried more sympathetic exchanges between the good and evil sides, or even some team ups. In fairness, the female characters at least were a bit more vibrant than some of the original good guys turned out, and even then it seemed like they dialed things back to mostly just 'Rufus and Amberley vs Blob's men' for most of the later episodes.
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OK...just so we're clear, you're defending the later seasons I take it...if so, cool. I thought you would be one of those people who thinks a show goes into decline the more it airs or something?
Pretty much the antagonists of Mike Jupp are teenagers to say it best, at least they all certanly fir that description.
Very truie about the slapstick, but it's hard trying to compare Urpgor to ACEME though, the random product company, not the Detective Agency who is still trying to catch Carmen Sandiego.
Wow a pro-Spildit fan for once...again that's cool. Just so you know Spildit was an OK character to me, if anything I don't think she's as annoying as some fans made her out to be. I did feel sorry for her in Frozen Assetts though when she cut herself, though I found that scene a bit shocking as a kid I must admit.
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I think it's hit and miss. The later seasons waned a bit in story quality, and even the Urpney humor was running thin at times, but I think the formula was handled a bit better. The earlier seasons had higher points and the continuity was a nice touch, but they felt a bit pretentious since they aimed for some sort of epic story when all they wanted to do was Urpney slapstick. It also led to a lot of stories feeling anti climatic since the heroes always beat the Urpneys handily, so it's hard to really get a gripping battle between good and evil with that (Megattack and The Nightmare Stone are good examples of this problem).
Aiming for lighter more simplistic stories fit that idea better and they also could refine the dynamic. The Urpneys' treatment didn't seem as cruel in the later episodes (the Noops weren't as aggressive to them (or were more liable to suffer karma when they were) and Zordrak reverted to more harmless punishments, when he could even be bothered with those) and there was actually a bit more world building. They also reverted back to Rufus and Amberley's original comical personas at least a little (even if they were still less sympathetic than the Urpneys) which slightly toned down the problem that the hero scenes suffered from them never being allowed to say or do anything amusing.
The show did have a very 'Sam Sheepdog and Ralph Wolf' style dynamic though, a harmless villain trying to steal under the heroes noses, and failing miserably. All that was missing was Rufus and Blob punching clocks.
I can see why some see her as annoying, she was a bit obnoxious and tended to steal the spotlight in most of the episodes she was in, but her personality was still one of the more likeable of the heroes and had the most developed interaction with the Urpneys. I may have seen her differently if Rufus and Amberley had been developed properly, but as is she stands out rather well.
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You've certanly put a lot of thought into the analysis of thsi show that's for sure, of course having your opinions about the show itself will help you to shape your artwork and make it not only a nice way of continuing the series through your fan ideas, but improving on what could be improved.
Dare I say that Spildit may wind up in a cameo in your next comic idea, once Ruus' Bad Dream is finished?
Well Zordrak fighting agiant Planet Dreamstone and the entire Urpney Army invading the Land of Dreams is pretty epic in it's own way, so much so that all the Noops and Wuts had to fight back, but obviously they'll be some goofiness to keep things balanced, after all it's not like they're fighting Galactus from the Fantastic Four...or trying to liberate Mobius from Eggman-Robotnik in the Sonic SatAM universe.
The Nightmare Stone episode din't have much in a way of an epic battle, though it did make a nice change as Rufus and Amberley are trying to steal the Nightmare Stone, instead of it being the other way around for the Urpneys.
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I'm a very pretentious guy, I over analyse everything, though hopefully it may actually come in handy with my storytelling (it has to be useful for something I tells ya).
Not sure where to put her, but I would like to make a story using her prominantly at least once.
Megattack wasn't bad, but it still felt anti climatic. As said it never really felt like the heroes had to work very hard to stop the villains, even Zordrak the odd time he took part. The Urpneys were always the underdogs that lost easily to the heroes, be it due to being outclassed or their own bumbling ruining everything. Albert's Ailment was another example, it had something of a climax with the Urpneys actually overpowering them and taking the stone, but rather than having them work against the odds, their little cell conviniently had every MacGuffin needed to get the upper hand back easy. It doesn't have to be super epic, but it would have been nice to see the heroes actually be challenged a little.
I think that's part of the reason it flopped however, since Rufus and Amberley couldn't use the same slapstick 'loser' roles the Urpneys could and so just won handily at the same task they constantly failed at with little of the same humor value.
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Well you don't normally expect the good guys to lose now, especially on a kids show of all things, though I do agree what you said about Albert's Ailment, perhaps that story hbad too much of a climax which could have been uterlised for a end of current series finale or something. Well when you do get around to Spoildit, it will be interesting to see how she comes out in your own unique art style.
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I don't mean outright lose (a "Team Rocket Wins" episode may have been carthartic to watch though), I mean win with at least some amount of hardship and effort. I think it especially hurt Rufus, since a lot of what made him endearing in the pilot was that he was something of a downtrodden loser, and while he still succeeded in the end, he went through almost as much crap as the Urpneys that you really pitied and rooted for him. He didn't have the same charisma as Bugs Bunny and the likes. Making him an perpetually unscaved 'winner' to another more pitiful foil just seemed to take away from his draw appeal.
I might try some sketches off Spildit later on, she's one of the few characters I haven't done yet.
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I'm sure it will look awsome.
I see where you're coming from, you certanly want the hero to do more, so that there achievement is well deserved and such.
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Thanx, I'll give it a shot later.
*Potential SPOILERS to anyone else reading this*
It's exactly the balance I'm trying for with this story, in that Rufus will obviously win, but he takes almost as much comical abuse as the Urpneys, and while he is assisted here and there by outside interference and accidental buffoonishness, you feel his own resilience and competence is the key factor.
Maybe it's just because I like 'Fall guy vs fall guy' scenarios. It's more climatic seeing both sides take some lumps.
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It's certanly more cartoony in that aspect.
You're very welcome and I'll wish you the best of luck with your picture.
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Well the 'winners vs losers' formula can be cartoony as well (it was one of Chuck Jones' favorites) just I think it suits Rufus' character a lot less.
Okay, should have more sketches (and some more pages) in due time.
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That's fair enough, you don't want The Dreamstone becomming a Looney Tunes clone.
I'll look forward to whateevr you'll draw next.
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True, though most of my story ideas are admitedly very slapstick (I'd like to do at least one rather dark story where Zordrak has direct involvement though I'm not sure how to go with it).
Thank you very much.
By the way, have you seen a show called The Bluffers before? Apparently Jupp worked on the project around the same time he was thinking up The Dreamthief.
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Well just go with whatever you want to do, though so far I like what I'm seeing.
I'll admit that I actually had an idea about a story where Urpgor would come up with a plan to dig underneatyh the Dreammaker's castle to make it sink into the ground, so that Blob and his men, aided by a Noop robot, controlled by Blob would act like foundation inspectors and use this oppotunity to try and steal the Dreamstone.
Yes I have heard of the Bluffers, as well as owning an old VHS tape of it. Mike was really only involved in the character designs, rather then the story itself, it was the same story for when he worked on a film called 'Sabastian Star Bear', around the same time. The 80's was really Mike's time to try and branch out into animation big time, it would seem.
As always you're very welcome.
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I do like the idea of more satirical or off the wall ideas, reminds me of some of King Dedede's plans in the Kirby anime. I also had a robot idea, but Urpgor would instead make replicas of the Urpneys and have Blob's team replaced (cue lots of redunancy gags). They would end up working as maids for the Noops until the robots prove so competent they actually rebel against Zordrak.
I want to use lots of established formulas if the project keeps going (eg. a Nightmare Stone story, a Zarag story, a 'Zordrak gets off his throne and takes part' story) as well as maybe make new ones (I had the idea of doing sort of slice of life stories where the two sides would be 'off duty' and their scenes wouldn't interact, I also would like to try at least one or two instances the Urpneys 'win' an episode).
I heard he had a tad more involvement, still the designs are funny, if a little deranged at times (the animation doesn't help). It's similarly a very cutesy yet hilarious show, a recurring pattern for Jupp.
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He may have been in charge of some of the production of The Bluffers, but really didn't have too much involvement, he did say this to me in person at Jig It either 2007 or 2008 when I saw him in person.
LOL, it certanly would be interesting to se what the Urpneys are doing while not on duty and I wonder how they could 'win' with one episode.
LOL, funny you should mention King Dedede, as I was just listening to his Super Smash Bros. Brawl theme , not too long ago, sounds like he has plans that could rival Seymour Cheese 9The Big Cheese)'s plans from Samurai Pizza Cats.
I do admit that when I tend to write, I do try and uterlise a great deal of emotions, including drama.
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Didn't know you met the guy in person. Was he a nice guy?
We did see brief moments of them on holiday that were pretty funny to watch (eg. Zarag, The Dark Side) I do wonder how a whole episode would fare though, and how it would for the Noops without them to antagonise them.
I feel it work something like the odd instances Tom beats Jerry. He never succeeds in killing or eating him but there are moments he gets some small cathartic last laugh, usually when Jerry gets too smug or unprovoked to be considered 'heroic' anymore. They sort of this with 'The Dream Beam Invasion' even if Frizz and Nug still didn't get a happy ending from it.
I like quirky villains that actually have a somewhat realistic genre savvy way of manipulating civilians. Eggman had shades of it in the Sonic X comic as well.
True, though I tend to prefer comedy. I do like making some poignant 'woobie' moments though.
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Oh Mike was very down to Earth, a normal guy to chat to, despite the fact he dresses like he's on safari, at least when attending his Jig It competitions.
Ah I see what you mean now, well I guess that can still be possible for Blob, Frizz and Nug to have the last laugh, but truth be told, I think they would rather get their own back on Urpgor more then anyone else. Perhaps by deciding that they should have the week off or something, while Zordrak goes to the Nightmare Planet to try and find the Nightmare Stone again or something?
Eggman is certanly 'quarky' he and AOSTH Robotnik, could get along just fine, the more serious Robotnik from Sonic SATAM and Underground though...maybe he can get along with Eggman, but certanly not AOSTH Robotnik.
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Hah, sounds like an amusing guy to talk to, down to earth on the inside though eccentric on the outside.
Most the episodes Blob's team got a happy ending of sorts were usually when they got the last laugh on Urpgor (and at least one when they got to laugh at Zordrak screwing up in their place). I guess them outdoing the Noops at least once may have been rather cathartic since it's always fun to see a 'loser' beat a 'winner', both for the fun of seeing the loser coming out on top for once and for the humanization the winner gets from looking pitiful for once. Also they were still a catalyst for a lot of the Urpneys' abuse, and while they were usually rather justified about it, there were admitedly times they took their punishment way too far (their 'loss' in The Dream Beam Invasion was kind of karmic for that reason).
I guess I seem rather sadistic wanting the Noops to suffer constantly, but I think the fact they were so shielded and pristine in their lifestyle and never faced real problems was what damaged their development so much. Having bad things happen and being a 'loser' every once in a while is kinda vital for personality and pathos.
SatAm Robotnik is not a 'people' person. 
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I thought that Underground Robotnik was similar to SatAM Robotnik, as both come from similar timelines where Mobius was under his control for the most part, which is more then can be said for AOSTH Robotnik who certanly fills in the catagory of comedic villian.
The Noops suffering a serious loss, is something that I'm not certain will fair well with me, especially if it's something of great importance, I'll probably want to know in advance if the situation does change as soon as I see something like that, but I think you said that the loss wouldn't be so great in the end, but just enough to give the Urpneys at least one decent victory I guess?
That description does pretty much sum up Mr. Jupp to a tea. He is still currentily developing puzzles at the moment though he was hoping that ITV would take an interest in some of his other animated projects or renew their interest in his exsisting shows, but so far no dice either way, for the time being.
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They are very similar, however in execution and personality, Underground Robotnik seemed slightly more comedic than the SatAm version. Not nearly as much as AoSth Robotnik, but still he wasn't quite the level of creepy serious threat SatAm Robotnik was.
It didn't have to be a serious loss, just something that sort of significantly hinders them. Even outside the villains, they didn't even have much along the lines of basic conflicts, the exception being Amberley's occasional snit fits at Rufus and Mr Blossom's moaning, neither of which really had a long term effect on the plot. Everything was so bloody perfect and cheerful in the Land Of Dreams. Again a difference between the final show and the pilot, even before the Urpneys arrive, Rufus is clearly a fall guy and desperate to gain others approval. He has a plausible dilemma and motive to struggle and accomplish. After that episode though, his life is pretty much perfect and nothing bad ever really happens. He's always on top, which makes him a bit dull and hard to pity.
And yeah if I get a victory for the Urpneys in one story, something small or slapstick like how Tom and Jerry did it. Just something so the Urpneys get the last laugh. They will never succeed in getting the stone or killing a Noop or whatever.
Shame, would be interesting to see something from Jupp again, or even one of his old shows revived (it's sort of that era for loads of classic shows to be reimagined).
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Who knows, perhaps this could be the year where Digit 'n Dawson, Scuttlebutt or Lil' Bleep and Toaster will be reconised finally and become a new non CGI animated show for CITV, only time can tell, though I'm hoping 2013 will be a good year for the Space Gypsy Adventures; a series of stories for children's hospital radio I contribute to, which could become more then just that.
I see where you're coming from, just something that would give the Urpneys a cheap laugh and something that shows us that even the Noops are not perfect, but then I get that with Rufus and Amberley anyway, Rufus' daydreaming can sometimes interfere with his work and then there's Amberley's temperment, but you would want something that they can actually do 'wrong' so that the Urpneys feel that their victorious over them, I guess an idea will come soon.
Fair enough also about the difference in Robotniks, I must admit it's been a while since I've seen either show properily, though a couple of weeks ago I did watch a couple of episodes of Sonic Underground.
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Cool, didn't know you were doing some radio stories. Hope something goes through with it.
I think what I liked about the odd times Jerry or Bugs lost, is that it shown the writers knew the villains were a bit too sympathetic for their own good and that they wanted to enthasise karma worked into who won. One character usually always won but only when they played fair. The odd time they were the more callous side, they just as easily ended up the loser of the situation. I think this could have worked well with the Urpneys situation, which was very grey tinted (as I went into ridiculously overexcessive detail earlier 
I think it's more their flaws didn't do much into development or plot. There were only a couple of times Rufus' bumbling and daydreaming caused problems outside the pilot, while Amberley's temper rarely exceeded the point she made an error she had to learn from (eg. a point she was too harsh with Rufus or got into a feud with someone). They rarely learnt lessons or grew much as characters, and didn't seem to have much along the lines of ambitions outside the odd leaf race.
True, I haven't seen much of the Sonic cartoons in a while, the Robotniks tend to be rather memorable however.
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The couple of stories I wrote for are currentily on YouTube, the Space Gypsy Adventures is known for having John Leeson (K9 in Doctor Who) doing the voices for the characters as well as the narration.
I can actually see Rufus and Amberley perhaps allowing the Urpneys to win at something, though as long as it has no long lasting repocutions that will blow up in their faces later, or simply make them think that they did an achievment on their own perhaps? True this also happend in classic Looney Tunes/Tom and Jerry shorts, so it's bound to work with something like The Dreamstone. It would also prove that Rufus and Amberley are more then a daydreamer and someone with a short fuse.
Of course the Robotniks would have to be the most interesting characters on the shows as...well they are the bad guys after all and sometimes bad guys are more interesting then the heroes.
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