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Published: 2015-03-07 02:55:58 +0000 UTC; Views: 941; Favourites: 7; Downloads: 1
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Description I've been doing quite a bit of research on Nazism, WW2, the Holocaust, the Interwar Period...all in preparation for a map I'm creating and for teaching my classes.

When we want to separate ourselves into groups by identity, this can easily be what we come to. Is it what we want? I would hope not. I would hope it never comes to this. But I can see it getting to that one day in the not-so-distant future.

Note: The document on the left is a work pass for foreigners, specifically for someone of Polish descent. The document on the right is a travel passport for someone of Jewish descent. 
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UPDATE (Jan 10, 2016): Identity politics can also lead to a limited view of history as per: pjmedia.com/instapundit/223518…
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menapia [2015-11-23 02:34:43 +0000 UTC]

This would really bring the point home for students, better than using dry statements from a history book.

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ebturner In reply to menapia [2015-11-23 22:53:30 +0000 UTC]

It's a touchy topic since it also deals with contemporary issues and, right now, people here are stupid sensitive about identity politics.

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Zeonista [2015-03-19 01:39:16 +0000 UTC]

"Divide and conquer."

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ebturner In reply to Zeonista [2015-03-19 01:40:19 +0000 UTC]

Pretty much...

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boshthehedgehog [2015-03-07 07:12:32 +0000 UTC]

The divide and conquer strategy at its worst.

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D5z [2015-03-07 05:15:26 +0000 UTC]

Identity politics won't lead to Nazism but it almost always has an authoritarian stink about it. Today the most notable players of identity politics are feminists, ethnic movements and LGTB rights groups. You don't have to look very hard to see their authoritarianism, just look what they are doing to free speech with their political correctness and speech codes.

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Graeystone In reply to D5z [2015-03-07 15:15:37 +0000 UTC]

Look at the fires stirred between Blacks and Police in the US. In my mind, if something right isn't done it'll lead to a possible Race War.

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willcraft In reply to Graeystone [2015-03-07 18:24:03 +0000 UTC]

What if that is what they want? Black people in America complain that they disproportionately suffer police violence, even for crimes which they commit at the same or lesser rates than other demographics. So why doesn't your government simply end the militarization of the police and have federal prosecutors deal with those cases? White people complain about disproportionately paying for other peoples food stamps. So why doesn't your government simply end that programme? The very concept of race as we know it today, was not around in ancient times. The Greek writer  Herodotus knew of people as far south as Ethiopia and as far north as Germany (or to be more accurate, the lands which would one day become the nation-states of Ethiopia and Germany we know today) yet he did not divide the world into "races". The concepts were largely invented by the owners of indentured servants in the sixteen hundreds to ensure that they could divide people and face no unified opposition.

Identity politics makes it easy to lead people without actually having to follow any of their demands.

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Graeystone In reply to willcraft [2015-03-08 17:41:49 +0000 UTC]

Frankly the only sane solution is what Martin Luther King Jr talked about. Things like judging a person by their character, not their skin color.

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willcraft In reply to Graeystone [2015-03-08 18:07:12 +0000 UTC]

I live in the UK, so I can't really comment on the American University Application system, but through www.ucas.com/ ">UCAS The people deciding whether to let me in to University did not know anything about me except for my academic record and a personal statement I sent them (the contents of which were mine to decide). I know for a fact that I was not allowed in as a result of racial privilege, they didn't even know if I was British. Unless an interview is needed, jobs and academic openings should be made colour-blind.

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willcraft In reply to willcraft [2015-03-08 18:07:44 +0000 UTC]

Apparently I cannot hyper-link properly.

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willcraft In reply to Graeystone [2015-03-08 18:00:55 +0000 UTC]

BINGO!

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ebturner In reply to D5z [2015-03-07 10:59:15 +0000 UTC]

Exactly my point.

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willcraft [2015-03-07 04:44:10 +0000 UTC]

The elites are not prejudiced. They only support prejudice because it prevents cohesion amongst those who might otherwise unify and impede them. Identity politics is a way for bad politicians to gain power. "it doesn't matter that I am an insane power-hungry occultist, what matters is that I am one of your people and not one of them". 

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EdenianPrince [2015-03-07 03:04:17 +0000 UTC]

We all have distinct ethnicities and cultural identities; saying that leads to Nazism is stupid. 

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Kajm In reply to EdenianPrince [2015-03-07 08:30:10 +0000 UTC]

Ok, here's two other possibilities which also happened, take your pick:

Slavery (Pretty much anywhere on Earth, starting about 10,000 years ago. Egypt. Rome. China. Mongolian Empire. etc)

Dhimmi (Anywhere islam is in the majority and all else are 'second-class')

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EdenianPrince In reply to Kajm [2015-03-07 13:49:09 +0000 UTC]

Neither. 

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Kajm In reply to EdenianPrince [2015-03-07 15:40:47 +0000 UTC]

EB's point also fits. And he chose the one closest to us in time, if you don't count ISIS or today's gender-bender mentality. 

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EdenianPrince In reply to Kajm [2015-03-07 15:42:58 +0000 UTC]

What does any of that have to do with people having cultural identities? 

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Kajm In reply to EdenianPrince [2015-03-07 15:52:16 +0000 UTC]

What does that have to do with being FORCED to wear your cultural identity on your sleeve, as Jews were forced to by the Nazis, and as a sign of inferiority? That's part of what EB is getting at, above.

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EdenianPrince In reply to Kajm [2015-03-07 16:04:11 +0000 UTC]

No one is forcing you to wear a cultural identity but white people can't deny being white, and asian people can't deny being asian. 

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Kajm In reply to EdenianPrince [2015-03-07 16:08:41 +0000 UTC]

Then you have completely missed the point of the above piece.

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Ghoti657 In reply to EdenianPrince [2015-03-07 03:17:15 +0000 UTC]

the keyword was "want to separate". 

It does lead to nationalist stupidity such as categorizing everyone in entire nations, cultures, religions, and political parties, as "good" or "bad" like we are nothing but a bunch of insects in a different hive rather than individuals.

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