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Description Another one ispired by Mauricio AntΓ³n's book Sabertooth.

Thylacosmilus atrox was the most famous of the marsupial sabertooths. These weird predators lived in South America during the Miocene and Pliocene, when it was isolated from other continents and evolved a really weird and unique fauna.

The sabers of Thylacosmilus were so big they went all the way up the snout inside it's skull. The roots of the fangs are actually above the creature's eyes. It seems they grew continuously much like the incisors of rodents, which might work as a sort of insurance against breaking a tooth. Also, the bite of this 100 kg animal was apparently weaker than that of a domestic cat.
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awesomART22 [2021-04-21 17:00:44 +0000 UTC]

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Eurwentala In reply to awesomART22 [2021-05-05 18:26:48 +0000 UTC]

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awesomART22 In reply to Eurwentala [2021-05-07 00:30:31 +0000 UTC]

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acepredator [2017-10-12 00:04:35 +0000 UTC]

Shouldn't the teeth be covered by lips? Especially considering those flanges likely formed support for a lip "sheath"?

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Eurwentala In reply to acepredator [2017-10-12 09:29:39 +0000 UTC]

Quite possible, though there's no direct evidence.

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acepredator In reply to Eurwentala [2017-10-12 16:37:16 +0000 UTC]

Actually Mark Witton's take on the matter suggests that it should be sheathed.

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Eurwentala In reply to acepredator [2017-10-12 18:01:16 +0000 UTC]

I do find it a plausible idea now (note that this artwork is three years old). Though Mark Witton's opinion, however well-informed it is, is hardly direct evidence.

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Raccoondream [2016-09-04 17:37:59 +0000 UTC]

so detailed, i love the shading

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Eurwentala In reply to Raccoondream [2016-09-05 12:36:57 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!

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Raccoondream In reply to Eurwentala [2016-09-05 21:19:47 +0000 UTC]

your welocme

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acepredator [2014-12-27 16:31:05 +0000 UTC]

I have a feeling the sabre tooth design will evolve in birds.

We have sabre-toothed fish, gorgonopsids, therocephalians, dinocephalians, nimravids, felids, sparrosodonts, crocodiles, snakes, so a bird with pseudo-sabre teeth isn't too much of a stretch.

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Yutyrannus In reply to acepredator [2016-02-18 00:43:37 +0000 UTC]

Okay, so the crocodile is Pissarachampsa, but where did you get sabretoothed snakes from?

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acepredator In reply to Yutyrannus [2016-02-18 13:36:57 +0000 UTC]

I was thinking how vipers aim specifically at the throat and neck of their prey for envenomation.

Also the stiletto snake (which has two sabreteeth, which move independently to strike prey)

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Yutyrannus In reply to acepredator [2016-02-18 22:06:37 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, but they don't have sabreteeth. They use venom, rather than severing an artery and letting their prey die of blood loss.

I'm not sure I'd call those sabreteeth either...

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acepredator In reply to Yutyrannus [2016-02-19 13:24:06 +0000 UTC]

They still have to bite an artery (to inject venom) precisely which is the point of sabreteeth.

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Yutyrannus In reply to acepredator [2016-02-19 22:16:52 +0000 UTC]

Technically, but they are only considered sabreteeth if they are elongated (which the snakes have), but also flattened and used to bite an artery in order to cause their prey to bleed to death (neither of which are present in snakes). That's the same reason most therocephalians, as well as predatory dinocephalians are not considered sabretooths. Additionally, I am pretty sure they have to be serrated to be considered sabreteeth...

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PerfectChaos22 [2014-11-24 23:30:59 +0000 UTC]

so if I got bit by it wouldn't really hurt because my cat bite me and it NEVER hurts and weren't these guys wiped out by Saber toothed cats like Smilodon?

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acepredator In reply to PerfectChaos22 [2014-12-27 16:31:33 +0000 UTC]

No.Β 

It would hurt because it is the NECK that is driving the teeth, not the jaws.

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Eurwentala In reply to PerfectChaos22 [2014-11-25 10:03:35 +0000 UTC]

Umm, not exactly.

The bite of marsupial sabertooths was very weak, because they did not kill their prey by pressing their jaws together. They sliced the prey's neck (or some other soft and vulnerable part) open using their canines and their strong neck muscles. Kind of like a knife, or possibly a can-opener.

Current fossil record indicates that Thylacosmilus disappeared some time before feline sabertooths reached it, though that might just be because the record is incomplete. So yes, possibly.

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Sheather888 [2014-05-08 05:22:08 +0000 UTC]

This rendition is absolutely beautiful and just so very lifelike!

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Eurwentala In reply to Sheather888 [2014-05-11 16:51:15 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!

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TheBattyCrow [2014-03-31 00:32:50 +0000 UTC]

Funny, I just learned about this bloke over the weekend, from a five year old, no less!!
Quite a badass this guy!

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vasix [2014-03-23 01:16:16 +0000 UTC]

The marsupial sabertooth sometimes gets extremely exaggerated and long sabers and flanges. Nice to see a change from this, mwith a more normally proportioned creature

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Eurwentala In reply to vasix [2014-03-26 10:09:35 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I was specifically attempting to make it look like a real animal instead of a movie monster. Mammals often have really, really weird and monstrous skulls, but the amount of soft tissue their heads have masks almost all of it.

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vasix In reply to Eurwentala [2014-03-28 15:17:20 +0000 UTC]

I agree, Mammal skulls are the worst. So much muscle and fur and lots of extra stuff covering them

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Eurwentala In reply to vasix [2014-04-14 06:26:27 +0000 UTC]

Yeah. Muscular lips and fleshy noses and external ears and everything.

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vasix In reply to Eurwentala [2014-04-15 01:24:02 +0000 UTC]

Tch, tell me about it!

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AlexornisAntecedens [2014-03-09 17:23:12 +0000 UTC]

That is very good.Β 
Also, a quick question. Wasn't Thylacosmilus actually not a marsupial, but a closely related metatherian called sparassodonts? At least that's what I heard.

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Eurwentala In reply to AlexornisAntecedens [2014-03-09 18:56:43 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!

Yeah, it seems sparassodonts are not considered to be part of Marsupialia proper at the moment at least. They are a part of Metatheria, though, and could be called marsupials in the broad sense. The common name 'marsupial sabertooth' is pretty widespread, even though it might be a bit misleading.

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AlexornisAntecedens In reply to Eurwentala [2014-03-09 21:00:32 +0000 UTC]

Okay, thanks for answering my question!

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sketcherjak [2014-03-07 18:00:34 +0000 UTC]

The world needs more marsupial sabertooths.

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theflashisgone [2014-03-05 01:19:49 +0000 UTC]

What is it about the skull that tells us its bite was weak?

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Eurwentala In reply to theflashisgone [2014-03-06 16:59:47 +0000 UTC]

It's the muscle attachment sites. Their size and shape can be measured to reconstruct the muscles that were attached to them in life. You can see a comparison of the jaw muscles of a leopard, a saber-toothed cat and a marsupial sabertooth in this article: www.plosone.org/article/info%3…

The jaw muscles of saber-toothed predators are in general small compared to those of, say, modern big cats. Instead, they used their teeth sort of like knives, powered by huge neck muscles. Thylacosmilus takes that to an extreme, though.

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Paleohyperspace [2014-03-04 19:45:56 +0000 UTC]

So they would be good pets?

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Eurwentala In reply to Paleohyperspace [2014-03-06 17:00:31 +0000 UTC]

Well, it depends. They could still slice your throat open quite easily.

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Viergacht [2014-03-04 19:45:19 +0000 UTC]

Nicely done.Β 
I need to get that book - I have his fossil dogs and cats ones.Β 

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Eurwentala In reply to Viergacht [2014-03-06 17:01:22 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!
Yeah, you should get this one too. My boyfriend has the dog and cat books, so combined we have a full series.

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Yutyrannus In reply to Eurwentala [2016-02-18 00:45:35 +0000 UTC]

So which one of you will be getting The Big Cats of Africa: Past and Present ?

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Eurwentala In reply to Yutyrannus [2016-02-18 08:34:04 +0000 UTC]

Well, now we're just combining a shared library without claiming ownership to specific books.

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