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A friendly greyhound at the dogpark.
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kevjohn [2006-09-11 21:55:02 +0000 UTC]

I tried to get some shots at a nearby dog racing track (in North Florida) but they wouldn't let me take pics of the dogs. They thought I was there looking to do an article on animal cruelty or something.
It's a damn shame what they do to these dogs. Anything for money.

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SomberUpheaval In reply to kevjohn [2007-07-29 16:37:10 +0000 UTC]

I work in a racing kennel and we treat our dogs like gold. I am actually adopting one dog from my kennel. He's 4 years old and his name's Rock.
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Greyhound racing has VASTLY improved over the last few years. A woman I work with and I were just talking about this last night. We both hate when people get on their high horse and say that all kennels abuse their dogs and starve them and abuse them and the like and she said "You think that? Then you should come to my kennel!" We all love our dogs very much. There are cases in which the dog is so severely injured that it has to be put to sleep but other than that if the dog is injured and can no longer run the kennel will sit on it. Wait for it to be 100% healed. And send the dog over to the adoption kennel to become a companion. Some dog owners though, sadly, do only care about the income that the dogs bring in but others actually do care about their dogs and don't want any harm done to them. That's why if someone is reported to have injured or harmed any dog in anyway they are automatically fired for animal abuse. Tracks now have outreach programs so that if the adoption kennel is full they ship the dogs to Delaware or Canada where they have the space for the dogs. Or other places that don't have Greyhound racing.

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FantasyStock In reply to kevjohn [2007-03-20 22:20:29 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I agree. The dog tracks near here was closed due to such little business. Now there are all kinds of rescue greyhounds at the dog park each time I go. They had to put them all up for adooption and others got put to sleep. What a terrible crime!

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SoulFirePhotography [2006-06-23 00:12:34 +0000 UTC]

that's a beautiful Greyhound. great shot! its amazing to see them standing still. usually they're jumping or running... its so much fun to watch them.

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FantasyStock In reply to SoulFirePhotography [2006-06-23 10:36:55 +0000 UTC]

It was hard to get him on film because he was so active. This was a lucky shot. But his owner said that he's kind of getting old. Maybe that's why he stopped a bit for this pic. The greyhound, so I've heard, is the oldest domesticated pure breed of dogs.

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IceniFaoiltiarna [2006-06-22 04:18:59 +0000 UTC]

i tried photographing a grey hound at our local dogpark..... i managed ONE shot with his whole body in it... out of one hundred i would get either a tail, a foot, or his nose. he was playing fetch.... any other dog out there playing fetch would have been captured onthe camera.. but not him!!

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FantasyStock In reply to IceniFaoiltiarna [2006-06-26 20:14:11 +0000 UTC]

LOL! I can imagine that... because it's happened to me! Beautiful dogs though, even if they ARE always on the move.

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IceniFaoiltiarna In reply to FantasyStock [2006-06-27 22:33:17 +0000 UTC]

they're probably more fun to own than photograph lol
i'd love to have a greyhound some day. we have the dog tracks not far from where i live so i can probably adopt as many as i want lol

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FantasyStock In reply to IceniFaoiltiarna [2006-07-03 01:54:16 +0000 UTC]

That's a good way of putting it.
Yeah, there's a track near here that went under, and all of a sudden, all these dogs were in need of homes! It was so sad!! Some of them as dumb as rocks (so I heard), trained only to run.

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IceniFaoiltiarna In reply to FantasyStock [2006-07-03 02:29:54 +0000 UTC]

yeah they only how to run and chase mechanical bunnies. they have to undergo serious rehab before they can go to homes, but a lot of times they just get put to sleep. i watched a documentary on cable about grey hounds and the racing lifestyle. i was ready to attack the tv when i saw this woman give the lethal injection to a perfectly healthy hound because he was suited for racing and no one would adopt him. oh i was MAD!! people these days dont cherrish their champions anymore. it used to be you said a champs name and everyone sat up and listened. these days if a horse or dog wins the race no one knows except the gambler that lost the bet, or won as the case may be. i dont think they should outlaw the sport... i think they should outlaw the mass production of animals in order to get ONE good dog or horse. people are too impatient and too much in a hurry to put all their time in making an animal the best.

sorry didnt mean to rant...

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SomberUpheaval In reply to IceniFaoiltiarna [2007-07-29 16:43:37 +0000 UTC]

There is actually a law that Greyhound breeders are no longer able to breed mass quantities of hounds. Now they breed for quality. They look at each dog's racing performance and their bloodlines. Some farms only raise 50-60 puppies a YEAR rather than having hundred and hundreds of puppies to poorly raise. They'd rather have a few great racers than a mass of horrible ones. The litters are planned out LONG before they even think about impregnating one of the female dogs.

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IceniFaoiltiarna In reply to SomberUpheaval [2007-07-31 22:14:30 +0000 UTC]

i hope its nationwide. there are quite a few grey hound rescues in florida due to the dog track.

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SomberUpheaval In reply to IceniFaoiltiarna [2007-08-01 13:44:31 +0000 UTC]

It is. Laws about Greyhound Racing have vastly improved over the years.

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IceniFaoiltiarna In reply to SomberUpheaval [2007-08-11 16:58:03 +0000 UTC]

that is good to hear i wish people would take them more seriously... they arent soap box racers where you throw them out after the race....

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SomberUpheaval In reply to IceniFaoiltiarna [2007-08-12 15:07:41 +0000 UTC]

Agreed

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FantasyStock In reply to IceniFaoiltiarna [2006-07-07 03:14:21 +0000 UTC]

That's horrible!!! HORRIBLE!!
I'm absolutely motified by your tv too! Animals... they aren't just property to discard as we want. It's crazy!! I have a dog that I adopted. We're possibly his 4th home! He was born without ears (just tiny holes in his head) and a tail, and he has hip problems even though he's very young. He had been in sh3elters most of his life because each time an owner found out all his health issues, he got sent back to the pound. So we are committed to seeing im through his years, and we will take care of him as best we can, giving him ear drops and pills for his hip pain. I've also devopted a lot of time to training him because no one's ever taken the time to actually deal with his behaviors patiently...

So it sickens me to hear this story about the track dogs. It's sick and inhumane. Breeders (which is how I think my dog got s many problems... bad breeding) should be monitored somehow, like need a license or something. Especially those backyard breeders that think they know what they're doing, trying to create new breeds, trying to improve a breed... And I sometimes hear it too, people that can't believe I don't just put my dog "to sleep" because his meds cost money. That, in my opinion, would be soooo wrong!

Ok... now I'm ranting. Sorry. But it's a grave issue, and I hate thinking about it. I can onlyu do my part, but these dogs need more people to step up for their rights.

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IceniFaoiltiarna In reply to FantasyStock [2006-07-07 03:46:36 +0000 UTC]

i couldnt agree more and i respect you for actually taking that poor dog in. what breed is he actually?
right now i'm dealing with health issues in my dogs.... though i'm more than happy to say my German Shepherd does NOT have hip or knee problems. he's just a cry baby.. i'll take a cry baby shepherd over hip dysplasia any day. yet he is also the result of people crossing breeds trying to improve things.... he's half King Shepherd and pure GSD, and why people want a German Shepherd as tall as a Great Dane and as lanky as a typical pariah dog is beyond me..... people are desperately trying to ruin the german shepherds... making them wider, taller, or the sloped backs, or white or black or red/liver.... ugh!! its a working dog not a car!!
i agree totally about breeders being monitored. i mean.... at the least go take a college course in genetics and biology so they'll have some kind of clue as to what they're doing. its such a meticulous science that can either turn out perfect or turn out to be a complete hideous monster...... and who suffers? the dog of course!! or any animal for that matter. they are some people breeding cats to look like dachshunds now.... WHY!?!?! what purpose does a stumpy legged cat have in this world??
I can kinda understand crossing breeds, to an extent, to improve things as far as health goes. Labradoodles is just a stupid idea... supposedly invented for asmatic blind people.... uh... pure bred poodles dont shed.... so train a poodle. they're water dogs just like a lab!! I think if you're going to cross breeds you should do it to improve the health and mentality and overall benifit society. I would love to create my own breed, but thats just a fantasy. it takes decades to get "decent" results.. and what happens to the dogs you cull in the mean time? well some breeders put them down.... nice and quiet, no fuss no muss, no nagging conscience if it goes to a bad home. what a cop out!
There are some breeds i absolutely love, like the American Bulldog.. but even they are being distorted into useless lumps of extra skin and bad attitudes complete with bad health. i think i have the only working form of bulldog left in the US.... if i ever breed her again it will be to another bulldog that was just as good looking in health and stature as her.... a rare find, lemme tell ya!! but in the end.... i have the worry and stress of finding not good, but GREAT homes for the puppies. i wouldnt do it for the money, but because i love bulldogs and want to see them prosper and go back to their working roots as cattle dogs and family guardians. and despite what everyone tells you, Pit bulls were NOT origionally fighting dogs. let me get that out now lol, sorry but its true. pit bulls were cattle dogs.. hence the name pit "BULL" .. some guys were probably working their herds of cattle and bet that one's dog was better than the others..... like bull and bronc riding in the rodeo or horse and dog racing.... people making bets on who is the best, and now its a fad that exploits animals.

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FantasyStock In reply to IceniFaoiltiarna [2007-03-29 07:10:58 +0000 UTC]

The dog I told you about is half golden retriever, and we think the other half is either Aussie shepherd -OR- brittany. As I said - he has no ears or tail. Here's a photo of him if you're interested: [link] You can kind of see his hips are bad from how he sits. In addition to his hip problems, he cries a lot too, like your shepherd, but this is improving with time and patience in our gentle training. His barking issues are nothing like they were at first!! And he doesn't bolt out the door anymore or run away. He seems to understand now that this is his home, and he doesn't need to escape. Though, he is still kind of high strung. We're still working on this... Patience, gentle positive training... And love, lots of love!

(Though, I do admit that our other dog is a pure bred golden retriever, but I really shopped around for breeders, and I found one that is exceptionally informed and responsible in my opinion. She really puts time, effort and care into her breeding decisions, and her dogs are well cared for inside her home, not in kennels just for business. More about her below...)

As to your dog... I'm not sure what "GSD" is. But I agree; dogs aren't cars! Why do people try so hard to manufacture them? I know each breed is from other breeds... (For example, Goldens were originally bred from a mysterious "Russian circus dog" and a blood hound, among a few other breeds. The original Golden breeder mostly kept careful journals and records as he bred what he wanted in a perfect hunting dog. But, again, this was done at a time in history when breeding was a serious matter, and most breeders knew their reputations were at stake!) Some modern day breeders go too far, and they don't know what they are doing.

As you suggest, classes for breeders - or some kind of university degree - would be a good way to make sure that breeders know what they're doing!

Cats being bred to look like dachshounds - WTF?!? Wow! I never heard of this, but I have heard of house cats being bred with bobcats and other wild felines. The bob cat "pedigree", for example, is called a "pixie bob" - yeah, it sounds cute, but these animals have wild, hunter instincts! Many people buy them out of curiosity, and eventually release them into the wild because they don't understand the animal. It's terrible! Have you heard of Bangal cats? They only have about 5 or 6 generations right now. In my opinion, that's just too soon to consider them for domestic purposes.

Bulldogs, I have heard, are often bred to have such large heads that the dam must be cut open to give birth to her litter. Natural birth for many of them is not an option. That's not humane... It's too much human tinkering with a perfectly nice breed!! It's insane! So I commend you for keeping your eyes out for the healthy ones, bred as they should be.

Great homes for puppies... That made me feel good to read that you would care so much. Maybe this would be a good thing for you to research and learn. My golden's breeder interviewed me and had to meet me in person before she agreed to sell me a pup, and then she made me sign a contract, like if I get rid of him, I have to give him back to her... And I had to have him neutered. She gave me a 1 year warranty on his health. It was all very well thought out paper work. She called me each month until he was a year old! And she had 11 other pups that she was doing the same thing with those owners! In fact, at the end of my golden's first year, she called me and told me that if I wanted to do it her way, my next golden could be a male without being neutered. Well, I don't think I'm ready for all that responsibility, but it shows that she cared a lot about who would use her blood lines. THAT is an example, I feel, of a great breeder. I can still call her at any time to ask any kind of advice. And for the first 6 months, she encouraged all the littrer's owners to keep in touch with each other too, so we could track and compare our puppies' progress and growth. I'd never had an experience like this ever before with a breeder. I simple can't rave enough about her! I know who I'm going to for my next golden years from now, when the time is right.

Pit bulls, I agree, are not fighting dogs. That wasn't their original purpose. However, nowadays, some careless people breed these dogs for fighting and nothing else! I look for "American Staffordshire Terriers" or "English Bull Terriers" when owners tell me about their "pit bull" at the dog park. Those that say "pit bull" seem to have the attitude that their dog is supposed to be aggressive. (I say this in general, and I know it doesn't apply to all "bull" owners.) The term "pit" is genrally associated with a fighting "pit". "Pit bull" is a very general term. Many breeds fall into the category of "pit bull" - As far as I know, "pit bull" is not a breed in itself. A well bred pit bull dog is loyal and very obedient. Surely, these two traits are what these breeds were originally famous for! Now people want to breed them for sheer muscle, dominance, and high pain threshold. These are the original traits of the breed, but not the only ones a breeder should concentrate on. I have never heard that they were cattle dogs, but I have heard that they were partly bred to be good companion dogs. So it's a shame that the breed has come to be feared and sometimes loathed so widely.

At any rate, sorry for the looong comment. These are issues on which I can't seem to edit myself when they come up. I can tell that you are also very passionate about it. That's good to see. It's strange, but the more people I meet, the more I like my pets! However, every now and then, I rarely meet someone that gives me a bit of hope in humanity. You seem to be one of these people, and you have my respect and admiration!

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IceniFaoiltiarna In reply to FantasyStock [2007-03-29 20:34:01 +0000 UTC]

your dog is beautiful, but quite unique! i've never heard of a dog being born without his ears. i know australian shepherds are commonly born without tails, i used to have a dobermanXaussie/pitbull. his dad was pure dobie and his mom a pit/aussie mix, very sweet, but she was the Queen Bee of her property. the litter i got my puppy from was... different. some pups were born with doberman markings but the tan parts were brindle. their tails were either not there, half there, or looked odd. my dog had a tail that curled over his back in the shape of a question mark. He was super smart too, almost too smart. he got into more trouble than any dog i ever owned, and he had his own neighbourhood "Fan Club".... Where ever he went other dogs followed and mischief wasnt far off. Fortunately we lived so far out in the country with few neighbours.... most of them were forgiving

I'm finding out just exactly what you mean about people's opinions when it comes to health care for pets. My bulldog, the one i bragged about, injured her back a few weeks ago. She was playing with another bulldog ten pounds heavier than herself (she was 80lbs, all muscle and he was 90lbs mostly flab) but he played harder than she was used to. with our other dogs she would get too rough and knock them off their feet, which made them mad and they wouldnt play with her anymore.. Well, this other dog, belonging to friends, gave as good as he got. I had never seen her rolled off her feet before and he did it twice.... And the next day when i got home i found her sitting in the front yard, obviously distressed, almost in shock, and unable to move her hind legs or wag her tail. X-rays showed what looked like the pinched disk. Lemme tell ya, that stuff is EXPENSIVE! paying for X-rays, then paying for antibiotics (she had bitten the inside of her mouth) then anti-inflammatories, muscle relaxers, plus the extra pills to keep her stomach from getting upset from the antibiotics.... THEN we took her to another vet for acupuncture treatments, its cheaper than surgery, less painful and is said to have a better success rate over surgery.... My dog was free. a friend gave her to me about two years ago... But now she's worth about $500 in vet bills alone, and she is only JUST now getting her legs back. We took her swimming yesterday and all four legs work perfectly well, as long as she is in the water.... She can move them slightly out of the water but she cant support her own weight.
She is pathetic to look at right now, but when strangers come over they still wont get out of their cars. She's a good actress. She sits beside the steps to our front porch and barks or growls at them. They dont know she is crippled and she is smart enough to trick them into believing she is perfectly capable of defending her home. So far no one has called her bluff. I never thought animals had pride until this whole situation. The first few days of her injury she refused to use the bathroom. She had to have help, being lifted up so she could go, but she wouldnt. When she finally couldnt hold it any longer she looked so ashamed of herself, ears pulled back, head lowered, looking anywhere except at me or my husband.
Our friends and family dont know why she is still alive, why we havent "put her out of her misery" .. but to be honest.. she isnt in pain!! She still thinks she's normal. she just cant walk.... YET. Its been a learning experience for everyone. And its been a test of patience and perseverance. She truly is a bulldog. She still wants to explore, play fetch, wrestle with the other dogs, still has a healthy appetite, and she isnt showing any pain what so ever. The way i see it is she has a good chance of recovery and walking again. But even if she doesnt, she still has the ability to live a happy life. If we have to buy her a doggy wheel chair then so be it. We'll just build a ramp onto the porch so she can still come inside or go out when ever she wants.
Anyway, there's a reason i love the American Bulldog. they are the epitome of "Living Life to the Fullest". My husband wasnt a fan of ANY bull breed until he met Kaydee. In fact, he didnt want to even bring her home but i insisted. Now she's as much his dog as she is mine. He had only heard bad things about bulldogs, like most people. Fortunately he has an open mind and was willing to give her a chance. Doberman's are my second favourite breed, but right now i'm not sure i could own another breed after my experience with the American Bulldog

And your Golden's breeder is everything i could hope to be. I'd love to meet someone like her in my area. Its recommended that if you want to get into dog breeding that you should first get a mentor and learn as much as possible from them. Everyone has to be a novice at some point. we're not born being experts at anything, but i really believe in learning from others past mistakes and not repeating them yourself. It just saves time, money, and you can avoid the heart break that comes from common mistakes with breeding. My cousin and her mom like to think of themselves as breeders... they specialize in chihuahuas and german shepherds... but they could care less about the dog's home. The cry baby shepherd i mentioned before was the product of their "breeding program". His mother was purchased from a local breeder that was quite famous for her time and hard work in the breed. not sure where his dad came from, probably someones backyard. But the results of their union were horrible. one puppy i know of had hip problems, another has attitude problems, and the one i RESCUED had a weight problem.. he was thin as a rail and would not, could not keep any muscle OR fat on him no matter what you fed him. My cousin was at a loss with what to do with him. She went out and got a new male puppy knowing she couldnt keep one or the other. She was going to take the old dog to the pound. Of course when i found that out i got upset and told her i wanted him.... health issues be damned. I couldnt keep him either (at the time we had three other dogs) but i was willing to take time to find him a home. And i did! it took me a year to do it but a friend of a friend fell in love with him. She even solved his weight issue.... turned out to be an infection in his reproductive area... getting him neutered has solved the problem. Now about my cousin.... the new puppy is a kennel bound wild child...and a father of ten puppies. She doesnt have the "want to" to work with her dogs. She'd rather be on the computer and dish out advice to other people rather than make something of her dogs. I believe the dogs should have a job or at least be good at something. how else will you know if they're good breeding stock? otherwise you're producing dogs to be sent to the pound. what a waste! Just because you have a male and female doesnt mean you should breed them. and breeding for looks alone should be a crime. My dog Kaydee is beautiful, smart, can learn anything, and she has natural guard dog ability.... she does things instinctively that takes most other breeds years to learn when it comes to protection. But even with all those good things, it still takes more to make her breeding worthy. most people these days want to see papers, titles, bloodlines etc. natural ability doesnt count for anything these days... which i think is sad and prejudice. Thats the same as telling a healthy competent young man that he cant go to the college of his choice, or work at a particular job or that he isnt good enough to raise a family just because his mom and dad arent rich and famous.
I'm not a fan of kennel clubs at all.... not even a little bit. its the kennel clubs that have caused the damage to our favourite breeds. And did you know that closed registries (i.e. AKC for example) have only been around for the last hundred years?
thats really not all that long, which is why its so amazing when you look at the damage that has been caused by closed registries. And the majority of diseases that plague pure breds are genetic! Why? Because closed registries is just a fancy way of saying "Inbreeding". Think about it... it took several different breeds to make the Golden Retriever, right? but after so many generations and the dogs breeding true to type they are now considered a breed. so those dogs breeding true to type are then bred to others that also breed true to type.... but the gene pool is still the same... its small. and with each breeding it gets smaller and smaller....
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these people say it far better than i ever could.... when i read that article it really opened my eyes and confirmed everything i suspected.
I dont condemn the AKC and other registries.... their purpose is to preserve history and show off the diversity in dog breeds to the public. but the people in charge of running things have ruined a lot of good breeds. The english bulldog is, like you said, unable to give natural birth. if it wasnt for modern science that breed would become extinct in just a few years as well as others just like it!!
Its amazing, the differences, when you look at vintage photographs and paintings of different breeds and compare them to today's dogs. there used to be a museum in the UK that had just dogs in it.... stuffed ones from the 1800's or there abouts. its just surreal to see some of the breeds, some of them now extinct. i would love to see that museum in person..... some people think i'm strange because i'm so fascinated with dogs. my husband did at first..... but he realised its the same fascination he has with cars. he knows the make and model and everything there is to know about most cars, and i am the same way about dogs

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