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flomacaroon In reply to barbitone [2013-03-23 13:07:53 +0000 UTC]

aww!! your description are the best! yes, that's totally what I wanted : D it's both very personal and at the same time completely universal! YES <3
you really really have to :333 it's a brilliant film!

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barbitone In reply to flomacaroon [2013-03-25 00:19:58 +0000 UTC]

FINALLY WATCHED IT. Not what I was expecting at all, actually, but daymn it was good. Heart-breaking on so many levels, but good

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flomacaroon In reply to barbitone [2013-03-25 00:32:37 +0000 UTC]

yay!!!!!!!!! sorry for my enthusiasm, I'm a little bit consumed by the stories of Cloud Atlas! haha
yes! so heart-breaking indeed! especially for my poor babies *o* Aww, Robert Frobisher is such a poet! he's like Keats in a way, so romantic (and here I'm stressing the romantic movement...even if he's talking of love as well, and what a love *o*) which leads me to Bright Star in which Ben Whishaw plays Keats and is a wonder as always. (Have just watched it again tonight...cried twice again! such a fabulous aesthetic and powerful love story)

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barbitone In reply to flomacaroon [2013-03-25 01:39:06 +0000 UTC]

Oh GAAAAWWWD Robert Frobisher. I simultaneously love him and hate him D: I thought his role was very interesting actually. He didn't feel as "integrated" into the whole movie as most of the characters did, because aside from his role as Frobisher he only had very brief/unimportant roles in the other stories. On the other hand, though, he wrote the Cloud Atlas, based on the idea of meeting Sixsmith in other lives, and ironically, it feels like the stories all slightly revolve around Sixsmith (as in, he's not always the most important character, but he's always THERE somehow)... and obviously Frobisher was important to Sixsmith, and therefore he becomes important to the whole of the movie. And what's the deal with the shooting star birthmark?!?!?!

Originally I thought that all the couples were essentially the same couple (with the "frobisher" of each couple bearing the mark) but dismissed that idea relatively quickly.

SORRY IF THIS WAS LONG DX But yeah, basically I have to go watch the movie again haha!

Anyways, I'm totally down to fangirl about it if you are

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flomacaroon In reply to barbitone [2013-03-27 21:29:39 +0000 UTC]

your comment is awesome! Yes I totally agree about the love and hate; Frobisher is like these main characters in Grecian tragedies. For us, he could always have done something to survive: leave the country, change identity, hide..anything. It seemed possible. But he doesn't want that, he doesn't want to flee or hide or change of identity. He's got such a huge ego that he prefers dying like a legend - young prodigy, in a tragic way, master of his fate. And this is terrible, and he should be more of a coward than brave (in his own perspective of the word), but he just wanted to be his own master. And he realised that boundaries in life can also be boundaries between life and death. And he decides to cross the border. Such a bold person. Maybe if Sixsmith was there he would not have the courage to do it. It's terrible! omg I want to cry again :'o and thanks so much for the links on your tumblr! I'm watching it again : D D D
About the birthmark...I was thinking about it and I have a theory, but it's hard to find words to explain it... I've got the feeling that the persons who have the birthmark are the "chosen ones" who will have to make the most tremendous choices. Choices that can change the world dramatically. It's like they were touched my destiny. I don't know...what do you think?
Don't ever worry about long messages, I love novel-like messages \o/
Hahaha!! Let's fangirl \o/

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barbitone In reply to flomacaroon [2013-04-05 04:33:48 +0000 UTC]

Hmmm, that's a cool theory, and I think it makes a lot of sense!
As for frobisher... IDK I guess I can kind of see that he wanted to "go out brightly" as opposed to fizzling away, but I don't really feel like that's why he did it? (And, sadly, he never achieved fame anyways, the sextet became just another obscure piece of music in a record shop...)
I feel like maybe he killed himself out of guilt, or that was a part of it, for shooting whatshisface.
Also, I suppose I kind of dislike him because I don't feel like he loved Sixsmith enough. That seems like a really unkind thing to say, but to me one of the worst parts of the movie was Sixsmith coming to the hotel/building/whatever and seeing the other dude wearing the waistcoat.
Like, I can forgive Frobisher for running off to write music. I can forgive him for sleeping around, and for killing a man (honestly I thought that was kind of great, that composer dude was a complete dick and I thought Frobisher was actually very brave in that moment). I can sort of forgive him for avoiding Sixsmith at the tower, and, maybe, I can forgive him for killing himself.
But trading away that waistcoat? AWWWW HEEEEELLLLLL NOOOOOO.

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