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Published: 2017-07-25 06:32:37 +0000 UTC; Views: 13181; Favourites: 101; Downloads: 64
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Here is the flag of an alternate Roman Empire that managed to survive the Middle Ages, reclaim its territories, and became a global superpower. It is a Catholic empire that accepts that the Earth's orbit around the sun and embraces evolution as God's greatest invention. It is also a highly militaristic, xenophobic, homophobic, anti-Semitic, technocratic, Social Darwinist, and deeply religious fascist state that gives the Emperor complete power whereas the Pope has, since the early 20th century AD, become a mere figure head and can only be the leader of its state religion (but in reality, he is just a puppet of the bigoted Caesars). It conquered the British Isles (thus, ending the predominately Protestant British Empire) and the whole African continent, leaving only the United Cherokee States, the Pueblo Kingdom, the Mayan Federation, the Japanese Empire, the Nordic Confederation, the Finnish Republic, the Arab Kingdom, the Aztec Kingdom, Great India, Imperial China, and Tsarist Russia to deal with. Although multilingual, its official language is New Latin (Italian according to the OTL). They are the most advanced of the nine ruling superpowers of the world, controlling huge chunks of Europe, the Caribbean east of Puerto Rico, Australia, New Zealand, all of Africa, and the entire Middle East except Iran, the Arabian Peninsula, and Afghanistan. Gender equality is encouraged within the Empire, seeing both patriarchy and matriarchy as equally "insane". Just to let you know, their White supremacy involves a Pan-European brand, not just Italians alone. However, not all Roman citizens embrace the totalitarian ideology of the modern fascist regime, although most of these opponents are remain silent out of fear of being made an example for "race treachery." A very small collection of people have formed underground resistance movements including the far-right Britannia Reborn movement (founded by Oswald Mosley), the Revolutionary Workers' League (founded by Karl Marx), and the Alliance of Free Nations. Despite these, the countless attempts they had made against the Empire end in failure with the government demonizing them as terrorists.ΒSince around 600 AD, the enslavement of Jews, sub-Saharan Africans, Arabs, Celts, and Slavic people has proven to be a harsh reality as they, despite being only one-fourth of the population and forbidden to mingle with Romans, are vital to Rome's vast industrialized economy. Africa is a giant food factory that is used to feed the Roman population and Protestantism has been declared illegal since 1567 AD. Germanic peoples, Kurds, Ethiopians, and Greeks are considered "Honorary Romans" by the government
Anthem: The Light of Rome (www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xSuIs⦠)
Slogan: Deus Vult (God Wills It)
Capital: Rome, Italy
Government: Totalitarian Dictatorship and Technocratic Theocracy (since 1923)
Ideology: Fascism, Social Darwinism, Anti-Semitism, Anti-Communism, Anti-Capitalism, Theistic Evolution, Scientism, Clerical Scientism, Eugenics, Homophobia, White Supremacy, Gender Equality, Militarism, Anti-Celtic Sentiment, Anti-Slavic Sentiment
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I wonder how "Gender Equality" fits in with the rest of the ideology.
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Well, someone does have to fill u- the workforce while the men are fighting.
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I'm surprised it's not slaves, POW, or people who have been put into labor camp for one reason or another. Women can't work while they're already busy nurturing the next generation of soldiers.
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Slaves and POW's are put into labor without pay. Women get paid in their jobs, but they still breed the next generation.
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Still, I deeply wonder how they got to the very modern idea of gender equality, from their ideological point of view.
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Love it, this Rome is equal parts terrifying and semi utopian
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Romans weren't really racist. I mean local foreigners in Roman occupied lands were generally left alone by authorities, allowed to maintain their culture and becoming citizens (Through military service) so long as they paid their taxes.
The same with Homosexuality, there weren't anything against Homosexual since their are a list of well-known Roman that were. Of course this is Pagan Rome were talking about.Β
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Yeah, but I bet the Greeks of ancient times thought themselves superior, calling the other races "slavish barbarians".
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First off, two things:
One, the Romans and the Catholic Church were never big on white supremacy. Xenophobia was not a trait of the Roman Catholic Church or the Roman Empire. The most xenophobic the latter were was towards Germanic barbarians, and the Church put an end to that after the Empire fell. Germanic-related peoples are more into white supremacy, but Italians are not that alerted when white and black peoples co-habitate and reproduce. Also, the Catholic Church baptizes any and all humans that come to them, and are even prepared to baptize sentient aliens if those ever pop up. They even had allies in Africa before the Muslims separated them from Ethiopia.Β
Two, the Empire would not be on board with gender equality. Traditionalist Catholics and Romans would roast modern feminism alive. While some quarters of Catholicism would tolerate females having power or going to war, even going so far as to support female generals and politicians, the Roman Empire sure as hell won't. The most they would tolerate is women exercising military or civilian power on behalf of a man.Β
Also, Italian Catholics are not that big into anti-Semitism, and the Romans were more tolerant of Jews than most powers (like the Diadochi) were. Jews fleeing the Spanish Inquisition managed to find a home in Renaissance Italy, where they prospered under the watchful eyes of the papacy and the Italian princes.Β
Not so sure about capitalism. While traditionalist and progressive Catholics hate it, some parts of moderate Catholics like it, and Renaissance Popes were obviously capitalist, with even some Popes coming from banker families like the Medici.Β
Darwinism would be a big no-no for any Catholic social order. The most they would tolerate would be trial by combat, and the Church eventually banned that. Darwinism is against Catholic social teaching, which teaches that even the poor must be taken care of, not snuffed. And Rome's political system is about the strong being held in check by the weak, hence why they overthrew the kings and had the Republic so as to have the people represented, and when that became too corrupt, Emperors with popular support kept the senatorial aristocrats in line.Β
As for homophobia, the Catholic Church, while outwardly banning homosexuality, has always been soft on the ban, allowing homosexuality to exist behind the scenes in both laypeople and clerical circles. There's even a "gay mafia" within the clergy that the current Pope today has been trying to crack down on, but towards regular homosexuals, the most the Church does is a stern finger-wagging.
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Well, this is a different Roman Empire in an alternate timeline so its not supposed to be like the actual timeline. Also, the Roman Empire in this alternate universe is a belief in a united European people rather than just exclusively Italians. So its likely that the Catholic Church in this universe may have a more different approach than the one we know of.
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That doesn't make sense. Romans are based in Italy, and the Roman culture is decidedly Italian. And Italian culture was more accepting of brown people than they were of blonde people. You know the stereotype of blonde people being akin to angels because they were beautiful? Propaganda from the Church, to remove the racism against blondes that existed in many corners of Roman and post-Roman society. Also, the Catholic Church is Catholic, which means universal. They had Popes from Africa long before they even got legalized. If there was one Church that started off as anti-racist, it's the Catholics. Latino Catholics were mocking Americans for their "struggle" over race rights because by that time, Latinos had mixed-race societies for centuries and had no problems with blacks and whites cohabitating, let alone fornicating. Racism is a heresy in the eyes of the Church. One that was embraced by Protestants, but officially condemned by the Vatican, and many corners of Catholic society that had mixed races. Some Catholics are racist, but they have to keep such sentiments to themselves, lest the Vatican come down upon them like a lightning bolt of judgement.Β
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That is true that Catholicism today forbids racism, but in the universe in which the United Roman Empire is in is one where the Emperor, not the Pope, has power. The imperialist attitudes of the empire, fueled by religious zealotry and colonial racism, are the driving for of this empire and the Catholic Church in this universe is basically a puppet of the Caesars. And for the Caesars in this timeline, Christianity is a Whiteman's religion. That is the tragic thing about government controlling religion.
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But again, even removing the Catholic Church from the equation, the Roman Empire and its Italian culture was not as racist as the Germanics whose descendants would later preach white supremacy. In fact, the Romans would have a laugh at such a notion, because they saw blacks down south in Ethiopia as more advanced than the German barbarians. They willingly accepted Ethiopian visitors and even soldiers, but they treated Germanic soldiers and emigres like shit. A Roman culture would inevitably be Italian, and Italians were rather accepting towards blacks while hostile towards Germanic peoples. When the Italian city-states recovered in strength, they joined forces to drive out the Germanic Emperor from Italy because they'd rather be reduced to a squabbling mob rather than have a German rule them as Emperor.
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Not sub-Saharan Africans, but maybe Ethiopians. But again, this is an alternate Roman Empire, not the OTL Roman Empire we know of.
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But again, the Romans tolerated blacks more than they did blondes. Even in the Medieval days, there was a hatred of Germans and a longing for the old Rome.Β
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