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Published: 2017-06-20 19:03:13 +0000 UTC; Views: 699; Favourites: 1; Downloads: 0
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Disclaimer I'm probably not going to be too nice to people as this is a subject that deeply offends me as a human freaking being.I was on the road thinking about this yesterday and I recently started analyzing it again. I'm sure you're on that forum you like with all the pretenders and what not and you're all having a merry time. One of you starts talking about how you don't agree with certain practices and aspects of a new game as you get to see more trailers learn more information and you just don't think this is an experience that is right for you. Then you got that one guy who calls you out and calls you ungrateful and says people of your fandom are just unpleasable and all you do it complain and all of this bullshit. THIS....is what it feels like a Sonic fan currently.
This kind of unpleasable thing does not fly anymore GONE are the Sonic 4 days where you can make that arguement against certain people not wanting what they're given but we've had more than a decade to be grateful and in my opinion Sega has BARELY showed for it. Part of this is because these fucking critic jerkoffs who don't even like Sonic games being able to dictate what direction the franchise can go. But I think the real problem is from inside our own fandom and Sega and Sonic Team themselves. Like it or not these kinds of unpleasable ungrateful people do exist but not in the form of what people would like to believe. But there's still some ignorance in the world that thinks a small loudly vocal group is the entire fandom.
I shouldn't have to say this to intelligent human beings but these people DO NOT represent a fandom but themselves. You can't blame everyone for what a few people are doing but where I live (in America) that's the standard. People think in absolutes and it just SO HARD to just pick out the bad apples in the crowd so just call out the whole bunch as spoiled. But this ungrateful shit is actually wildly wrong. I was chatting with good person and in the conversation I said this
"It's kind of distressing as it shows their lack of communication with fans instead assuming what they really want. You can't please everyone sure but at the same time you can't assume everyone will be ok with what you do and in this fandom it's like sometimes we're told to force interest in a game even though it won't make sense."
And that's truly the beautiful fallacy in this argument the notion that you don't know what you want Sonic fandom and the fact that you won't accept these gifs Sega keeps giving you
Bollocks!
Let me ask did ANYONE go on record in the entire fandom every wanted Sonic to be slowed down and have a basic ability he can do naturally turn into a bizarre clunky gimmick that is more of a hindrance to the twisted level design than an application in Sonic Lost World. Who actually asked for Sonic Boom to be rushed out the door to meet a vain and arbitrary deadline instead of telling people what is happening and hold the game in the studio to finish it up. Who keeps asking for Classic Sonic to be in EVERY fucking game ever no matter if it makes no sense for him to be there or not. And what pinhead keeps asking for Iizuka's opinion (personal question) the whole in joke is that he doesn't know what he's talking about and is a LIE!!
So I apologize to anyone who disagrees but spare me the "I'm being ungrateful" for speaking ill of Sonic Forces because I don't like some aspects of it and am still unconvinced. You know what will truly kill off Sega some time in the future if we keep from advocating this Yes Man behavior that we should buy every game they make because even if you don't like it you brought the fucking thing and therefore already sent the message that this is ok for them to do again. There is no ungrateful behavior but people tired of being told they are unpleasable and ungrateful when they actually DO ask for what they want and Sega slams the door in their face. These are the same "ungrateful, unpleasable" people who are told on social media that if they are an Adventure fan or any fan of anything but the over glorified classic that what they want cannot be made and they should just do themselves while they gleefully get thrown classic nostalgia. These are the same people who do have right within their critique and are STILL being shut down by years of ignorance and vitriol from people who get to make rules but don't even like the franchise.
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This is true about every fandom. I shouldn't need to be grateful their making something I should be grateful they made something and did it right. They had no problem talking bad about the Adventure games so why is it suddenly an issue when others do it towards upcoming games or any game in the Classic/Colors era and because most people in this fanbase don't seem to have function brains they'll think everyone who's in a select group ask from games like Unleashed or Lost World or 4 when that has never been the case for as long as a franchise existed.
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That's really the dichotomy nowadays that the fandom is so split up that there's a fandom for every single thing. People just assume that there are staunch labels we all abide by and that everyone is just a hard Adventure fan or hard Classic fan with no middle ground.
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I also hate the "be Grateful" argument.
I usually reasons to them I don't have to be grateful because Sega is trying to sell this product that there made to me so that there get money so if anything should there the ones to be grateful that I buy the game even when its not going to completely fill my needs.
Its after all not like its a present that Sega is making no there want to Sell the game to the customers and a Costumer doesn't have to be grateful unless the product was specifically optimized for one self for Free.
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Gamers seem to not have much of a back bone if they say things like "be grateful" or "give everything a chance" (which is subjective). You can't buy a game and 100% regret your purchase they already have your fucking money. If you don't like a direction a game is going or it doesn't interest you then you're well within your right to just skip it. Who has the time to literally get every single title that comes out that isn't someone payed to review them.
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I really wounder what kind of persons are the ones that say stuff like Be grateful.
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People who have no business making decisions for this franchise. You can't tell people to be grateful if they don't want what is given to them plain and simple. Not every Sonic game will be in the taste of everybody and it is fucking idiotic to think as Sonic fans we just accept everything.
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Unfortunately seam however exactly this backbone less people to be the ones Sega is (or at least was) listening to since 2010 together with the "Sonic is 4 kidz Elite".
So a lot of yes mean and people that can't understand that what there want from Sonic is a heavy deviation
from what he was mend to be and was for around 15 years instead of its routs as there claim them to be.
Lets hope that Forces will be the reverse unleashed that many hope it to be.
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I'm not going to put my money on it but it has to change something because you can't count on Mania for anything at this point. Forces has to (no pun intended) force some change or at least some deviation which we need. I don't understand this need to make Sonic such a Mario like clone by making him more inoffensive.
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Well the Sonic be like Mario thing started with Colors which by takashis admission was designed with many non sonic like featured.
Why he did this you may ask well going by the interview to lost world do I believe this was in the hope because of the Nintendo exclusivity to cash in on the Mario fans unfortunately was Colors rather successful (even though not as successful as one would may thing given in online reputation at the time (over both versions not even twice the amount of secret rings sells)) especially with critics followed by the even big success of Generations with even less story and similar ton to Colors did pollute the mind of Sonic team that the Mario like style is actually really successful.
So now the big question is will there realize that it was not imitating Mario that made Colors and Generations successful or will there continue the ways of colors or will there now fall into the equally stupid believe that it was the usage of classic imagery plus Classic sonic that sold the Last few successful games and try to now go superficially exploit this (and maybe even dare to try to use the same strategy for adventure fans).
And I guess there are 2 things we can count on with Mania
1) It will mostly be just a level pack
2)It will most likely lack with sonic fitting originality
(but I hope that I am on both wrong because I like good games)
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Mania's problem is the direction of less new stages and more Classic stages. Sonic rom hacks and fan games do exactly what this game is failing to try and that's using the full potential to make a fresh experience instead of a familiar one people are ALREADY been familiar with at this point.
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apparently is the stage ratio a demand from Iizuka (I also heard that he told Dimps to make Sonic 4 so nostalgia heavy I have no conformation for it but given is other actions does this sound believable to me).
I also have beyond the stages with Mania the issue that it doesn't seam as if there want to innovate all that much (just look at the hidden BIG rings in the levels with will no daub lead to a spezial stage) the biggest innovation are going to be the drop-dash (and how knows how useful this ability really will be) and that knuckles can punch (its not like a GBA game from 2001 already had this function and yet to people still call this new).
So I really fear that it will end up as nothing more than a classic rom hack with a little bit better Grafik and physics thanks to a bigger budged. While the Sonic Advance games (which I for the most part prefer to the classics) did so much new thinks and used older concepts most of the time in a new and unique way (especially advance 3 is just fantastic and the only reasons I don't see it as better than Sonic 3 and knuckles is because are 1)no playable super sonic outside the final boss and S3&k is just much longer but even this is only so when I count them together individually do I thins is advance 3 better then Sonic 3 and sonic and knuckles.)
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It just looks like a level pack any way. Literally is the only stage they showed off that is original is Studiopolis and that Mirage Saloon level. I think that is really it if I'm to observe only TWO """"""""original"""" levels and I use quotes because Studiopolis looks like Casino Night and Mirage Saloon is based off that cut level Dust Zone I believe was the name.
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I actually will admit that Studiopolis is rather original I at least can't remember any other Tv Studio themed levels in the series and it isn't really out of Character for Eggman to have one (even though the amount of References is just ridicules with things like the Pop corn machine and such(Also does this level feature the weakest version of the Orbonaut Badnik to ever exist)
And while Mirage Saloon is based on a level designed for CD 2011 remake with in themes was based on a zone originally planed for Sonic CD's actual release (leftovers like a unused boss or a dessert like area in the final cut scene can still be found) are desert level something rather rare in Sonic games funnily enough so there would be at least that.
But Yes 2 some what new zones with at times really out of place looking gimmicks especially for a sonic game are certainly not enough to justify this games existence.
But I do have heard that the game apparently actually going to have a story complete with a Eggman plan hat is going to backfire.
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I know it was something with the Mirage Saloon thing as I remembered a cut desert level from a Sonic game but I thought it was Sonic 2
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Yes many believed it to be Dust Zone but no CW did confirmed that its based on a scraped level for the CD 2011 remake (by the way the reason the level together with a new final boss were scraped by because Sega forbid him to put them in) which in themes was based on a scraped level for Sonic CD from 1993.
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oh ok thanks for clearing that up
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well sammy himself had a change of opinion in how he acted later on so he's not necessarily the better example there
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I was more using him as an example of infamous figures when it comes to what people see when they look at Sonic fans. I know he changed himself but people are ignorant enough to thing we really act like people like Sammy or MarioTehPlumber who is widely known as a troll and isn't real.
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The worst is when these morons act condescendingly and treat you like you have no idea why you don't like it.
Seriously why don't they just come out and say, "You're just confused. Let me show you the light of our Lord and Savior Sonic Forces".
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I'll have to look at the comment later as I'm on mobile at work and I don't have access to me like my PC.
But I did see a little bit of it and I can tell you from the
"What's wrong with Forces"
That he and people like him have no fucking idea why they even play these games or understand the criticisms towards them. What do you mean what's wrong with it do people NOT understand what Sonic even is and remember these are the people we now share a fandom with and Sega is making games for them.
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"...world that thinks a small loudly vocal group is the entire fandom" - Agreed.
Years ago, when I was a total novice at the world-wide-web (family was cheap on tech) I let out the statement that I'm a Classic Sonic Fan and my immediate response was something along the lines of: "(insert endless complaining) Frickin Frick!"
I laughed it off, but this beggs the question; do you think Sammy's for real or does he just really enjoy trolling? I've met a few who seem incapable of objectivity and agreeing to disagree, but this youtuber' is on a level all his own. The other three I haven't looked into and don't plan to.
Even if I'm a bit put off by the angry tone (I read the disclamer, so no problem) I will readily admit that the classics get over-glorified. It sucks when anything gets over-glorified because then people get amnesia about WHY they liked it. I used to know a guy who treated Archie Sonic like that. I'm not against the intricate world that comic set up but it has its flaws like anything and this naturally leads to questions of sincere interest that are taken as criticism.
My advice to Sega would be that if they're going to make a modern game=make a modern game, if they're going to make an adventure game=make an adventure game, if they're going to make a classic game=make a classic game, but don't mix them all up. Mixing and matching on a visual or mechanics level is a large part of what makes us seem "unpleasable", except for those less interested in playing a well crafted game or elso too optomistic to consider the quality anyways. Some ideas don't work together but could work on their own.
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I think people accentuate what they want to see. They see Sammy and believe this is what all fans must be like as even logical people fall victim to the mindset of throwing everyone under the bus especially true with the Sonic Fandom. People want to see this kind of negativity because it is fun to see but there's a line of seriousness that shouldn't be crossed where you treat everyone like you treat select few people.
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