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Nichrysalis [2015-03-05 13:16:16 +0000 UTC]
been a proud member of that group for 3-4 years now.
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Fourpony [2015-02-17 08:23:50 +0000 UTC]
Oh wow, I feel for you. Would give hug despite my rule against hugs (people are icky).
I have always been financially minded, least in the area of not spending movie when it is not needed. (Side effect has been poor eating habits and the negative freshman 15.) I am in California, fortunately; and we have a good junior college program here. I have been in school for 7 years now working towards a mechanical engineering degree and only look to owe about $4000 in student loans, and I might finish the term with $5000 in my credit union account. I would use a bit of a racist word rhyming with "yew" about how I have treated money, but I'll just let y'all make the inevitable connection.
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MuddyFudger [2015-01-23 04:38:24 +0000 UTC]
Reminds me of the "business" school I attended, which was run by a descendant of Stalin.
Not literally, of course. The school and it's admins were just total communists.
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The-Art-Claud [2015-01-21 00:44:32 +0000 UTC]
*sigh* I've always considered schools like these to be "revolving doors" You go in, hand over your money and they shove you out with a so-called degree. While other BETTER schools get mistaken for these for-profit financial sink holes, there's nothing more I can say about just how much I absolutely despise these institutions. I'm currently at a State university who's animation and art department are pretty much living on the prayers of all the hopeful students transferring from the local 2 year colleges hoping to stay close to or at home while pursuing their Bachelor's and despite the amount of bureaucratic bullshit that this school has put us all through (SRSLY, HOW THE FUCK DO YOU MAKE MAJOR CHANGES TO ONE OF YOUR DEGREE PROGRAMS AND NOT TELL EVEN THE FACULTY MUCH LESS THE STUDENT?!?!?!!) I'll only be about 50K in the hole with TWO Bachelor's degrees as opposed to the A.S. you'd get at AI for twice that price.
EDIT Hold up, you're in GEORGIA!? WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T YOU GO TO SCAD!? You'd pay just as much but get WAY more out of it. Honestly, it's not too late. No matter HOW deep in the hole you are, might as well go for the long haul and get a better education for it. Also, I've heard so many horror stories from fellow graphic designers who graduated from AI (New York and Ft. Lauderdale respectively) and neither of their career departments have been able to help them shit for dick to get employment. The Ft. Lauderdale guy had to literally harass his career services office until they stuck him in a low paying part time position that used the remote definition of the title. He ended up quitting and now he's at my school taking up 3D Animation. As for NY, you wanna know where he got hired at? Staples Copy Center. Yeah, great help career center.
Being in Florida, we're well aware of AI and most notoriously Full Sail, but even FS shows more love to their students. Sure its the same revolving door concept, but it doesn't wear you into dust and it's way more accredited than most AIs. Like I said, it's not too late to swap out. You will most likely retake a LOT of courses because of it, but the way I see it, in the long run, you'd be better off. At least that way you can pace yourself. If you're worried about your age, don't. I'll be 28 this year and I'm still going at it rocking a $37K debt and mounting. Take your time, reevaluate your choices and do your research. If you need help, let me know. I'd be more than happy to assist you cause what I've just read is some serious bullshit that NO one should ever have to go at alone. You've got friends, fans and a fairly supportive and understanding family from what you've written. You're not alone in this. Ask. You'll get help. ^-^
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Weirdness-Unlimited [2015-01-19 05:25:45 +0000 UTC]
My husband got sucked in RIGHT out of highschool as well. Heck they started the enrollment process before he'd even had his highschool diploma in his hands. And now we will be paying the loan for the next thirteen years. Thanks art institute, fuck you I'm not capitolizing the letters in the name of your factory line style 'education" dungeon.
He also stopped drawing and painting thanks to them.
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M00N-CHASER [2015-01-17 10:22:41 +0000 UTC]
Sorry you got captured in the education bubble mam. If it is any consolation remember this: all of the generations from Gen-X to now were lied to about college by both private AND public champions of each institution just like we're being lied to now about the Community College thing.
Quoting Edward R Murrow: 'Good night, and good luck.'
Good night and good luck to you Grievous-and be careful.
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Netbug009 In reply to M00N-CHASER [2015-01-18 02:46:14 +0000 UTC]
How are we being lied to about community college? Elaborate.
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M00N-CHASER In reply to Netbug009 [2015-01-18 05:34:35 +0000 UTC]
Remember this rule:
Political entities do things for two reasons: The one they tell you and the truth. They rarely, if ever are the same thing.
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Netbug009 In reply to M00N-CHASER [2015-01-18 21:34:30 +0000 UTC]
While a witty proverb, that doesn't answer the question.
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M00N-CHASER In reply to Netbug009 [2015-01-19 20:54:24 +0000 UTC]
Do you have a problem with a PM? The reason I ask is that it IS Grievous' page and my answer will be frankly very VERY long. If she wants it up, she can read it and decide. Composition takes a while too....and no there is no "Quick and Dirty" answer to encapsulate with other than my 'witty response'. BTW-If you want to call me cynical...I am guilty because I've PERSONALLY seen (on the TV in real time) EVERY president since Nixon lie for political advantage.
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Stigma-Photon [2015-01-14 15:29:06 +0000 UTC]
This had been going on since the early 90s. Every college ready artist i talk to says they want to be in art institute. Basically i tell them to spend 2 years at a community college and pay for it themselves (about 2500 here) before considering the now staggering 90k bachelor's degree. I went to ai in 2004 and dropped out early 2005 on a technicality. Ai tried to sue me and dropped charges later when i made a claim against them (hiring teachers who gave me an A+ when i was absent) I'm pretty sure most AI graduates either have happy rich parents or are considering suicide.
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NekonaHisaki [2015-01-14 14:58:31 +0000 UTC]
Colleges like this are predatory as all get out. They find ways to saddle you with huge debts and just care about money.
I was looking at doing culinary education at one point and almost got roped into one of these. :/
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uncontrolled-fire [2015-01-13 23:58:50 +0000 UTC]
I am currently attending the Art Institutes International Kansas City. I have some of the same problems but the money doesn't scare me so im still glad im trying. I too had hardly 2 months of no school when i graduated from high school in 2012 and started college in 2012. I graduate this year in the summer quarter and am excited. I think the main problems comes from the different areas because this branch of AI is really nice although it caters to the culinary department. Our parking is free but thy are getting rid of student housing. I did have one major problem with the school is that soon my degree will be removed, luckily after i graduate, and will no longer be Graphic design but a typography focus degree and a web focus degree. I wish you luck and pray you be happy with your decisions, If you ever feel you want help i would be glad to. Good luck and thanks for the new information.
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DonotcrossKilliRoss [2015-01-13 02:59:57 +0000 UTC]
i was thinking about enrolling into that i graduate next year, but after just seeing the tuition fee's i changed my mind with some hesitance...but after reading this, I'm glad I changed my mind!
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BluStarJellyfish [2015-01-13 02:26:58 +0000 UTC]
Hi I dropped out because it got too expensive and they sucked my loans dry
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vindurza [2015-01-13 01:50:06 +0000 UTC]
a lot of this is also to blame on our country not seeing art a legitimate subject
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pinkiteru [2015-01-13 00:46:42 +0000 UTC]
Oh no ;o;
All my plans are shattered. I have no idea what to do now. Im lost. They told me all these things. Does anyone know any good art school? I want to go for character design and concept art D;
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Stigma-Photon In reply to pinkiteru [2015-01-14 15:32:32 +0000 UTC]
Local college brosky. The more you apply yourself the better you will be. Companies don't care about your specific college for art, just your portfolio.
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beasert [2015-01-12 23:50:26 +0000 UTC]
Geez...
I honestly understand a lot of what you've been through and what you're going through. Even though my school is far behind me now I'm still struggling with the consequences of going there and being a guinea pig for how a program should be structured. I've since changed career paths in order to have a living.
You are very self-motivated though, and that's why I believe you will find a way to make things work for you in the long run. I see young artists struggle, their doubt turns them from their work and I tell them not to be like me, but you don't need that.
I look forward to seeing what you create for a long time.
P.S.
3D is a bitch, isn't it?
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lastlasagna [2015-01-12 22:37:44 +0000 UTC]
I feel your pain. I, too, am a student at AI.
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rem-dog [2015-01-12 20:23:39 +0000 UTC]
I have been of the opinion that most art schools, be they private or public, are horrid places. Most companies that hire artists aren't really interested in their potential employees' school, or their grades, but rather their portfolios. a good many of my friends in the biz aren't there because of a spectacular academic record, rather their portfolios got them their jobs. You can strengthen your portfolio by going to an atilier, which is far and away more reasonably priced, about one tenth of what Ai is. It won't teach animation, though. But yeah, I have not been impressed with art schools in general, with the exception of Cal Arts, but that is the exception.
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aphftwb-tches [2015-01-12 18:27:58 +0000 UTC]
thank you for that warning!
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Athelind [2015-01-12 11:53:52 +0000 UTC]
I am really, really sorry to hear that you got pulled into this quagmire.
My best friend went to a for-profit university to get his education degree. It was an education, all right; almost 20 years later, he's still buried under student loans, and as for "placement assistance", he got out of there having no idea how to write a proper resume.
This post needs to propagate far beyond DA and the fandom. You need to find a new site that accepts column contributions. Everyone needs to read this.
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majicfrog [2015-01-12 05:15:35 +0000 UTC]
Well, that royally sucks. I never realized you were from the Atlanta area, though. Probably just because I am oblivious, but you know, weeeee, one of the artists I follow is from my area! Wish I could recommend my school for you, but Georgia Tech doesn't do much in the way of art/animation degrees. I always knew I'd want to stay away from private universities, though... education shouldn't be for-profit. Best of luck.
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D-Rock92 [2015-01-12 04:57:13 +0000 UTC]
Near the end, I was tired of the school. I'll admit, with how open and vocal the students were at pointing out the many problems (and believe me, ask anyone there for at least a year), don't think I've heard of that lawsuit. Finished it up recently, and now have a lot of money to pay back. In the end, the school is a business, but I hoped they wouldn't resort to tricks like that.
My absolute biggest issue was the lack of communication between the different offices. You'd think you'd be able to hear the audit at the place you go to pay the bills, but nope, different department.
After graduation, I was speaking with my mom about my little cousin, who really wants to get into computer programming and game design. We both agreed NOT to recommend AI.
I've had good times there, I'll admit that, but there's so many issues.
And people there just to "check it out"? That school is much to expensive for that.
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Jon-The-Hillbilly [2015-01-12 04:09:01 +0000 UTC]
Huh...My girlfriend goes to an Ai school...I should let her know and see what she thinks...
I might reconsider going there now too...Only because, while i do want to get a degree in animation, if theyre going to cause problems for me, it's just better for me to stay put i suppose.
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Mavraster [2015-01-12 02:54:02 +0000 UTC]
Dear grievousfan,
I'm sorry that this place pulled such shenanigans on you.
<(I'M CALLING SHENANIGANS!)
I dodged the bullet with a DeVry-like institution with some help from my brother, informing of their own shenanigans. I wish you had the opportunity to mull things over. I wish that higher education was free to any citizen of the US if they were able to hold a certain GPA. Costs have gotten absolutely ludicrous since I was able to escape with only a $35k debt back in 2001.
Best of luck with this, I and I know from reading comments, many here are behind you.
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S0L0ngP4rtn3r [2015-01-12 02:49:04 +0000 UTC]
Education of America:
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Re-Dash [2015-01-12 02:47:28 +0000 UTC]
So according to what you wrote, after all this bullshit they feed, it seems like you have no choice in the matter whether to finish this or not because you can't just "quit" or all that money invested would be a waste and you'd have more piled up on you if you moved to another college. Very frustrating indeed. I really hope you can push through this dilemma and at least get your degree.
It's also frustrating that people (from high school or otherwise) don't mention going to community colleges first before heading to other colleges. It's a great way to save on money before moving on to the main "university" or college. I feel like institutes specifically for art seem like a rip off to me (imo) and I'd rather would have taken an art degree at a certified public university (or private if you have the money).
Here's hoping for a better year. :/
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GTX-Media [2015-01-12 02:36:44 +0000 UTC]
I made a huge mistake in going into college.
Before anyone misreads me though: I'm not saying college as a whole is a bad idea. I'm just saying that 99% of colleges give the rest a bad name. There's certainly nothing you can learn at college that you cannot learn at home, and all college does for you is gives you a piece of paper saying "You did the thing."
Personally, I think actually DOING the thing is far more valuable than a piece of paper that pretends you can do the thing.
Bleh. I wish I could undo college. 12 years later, I'm still stupidly broke over it, and it's only getting worse.
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dreamergirl15 [2015-01-12 02:24:36 +0000 UTC]
Thank you for this warning. When I was in high school some people from Ai came to our school and tried to promote it. Of course, me wanting to go into game design and animation thought this would be an awesome start, but my parents and I agreed that I would get a working diploma at the local college first. After 3-4 years I was drained mentally, physically, psychologically, and emotionally. So now my new plan was to find a job (which is really hard if you have no work experience), save enough money in a few years to be financially safe, and go to the Ai in Fort Lauderdale, FL (because they were the only one with the program I wanted), and earn a degree. But recently I've been depressed about my art and no longer have the drive or motivation, because I no longer get any feed back or have any audience like I did in high school and college (even my family doesn't care for my art), and more and more Ai was looking like a lost dream. I'm not completely done with art, but at least I can get past the Ai problems thanks to you.
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mourning-dreams [2015-01-12 00:19:44 +0000 UTC]
I've also had issues with them. I also had to leave *after they accepted me so fast* I was in it for about four years and am still going through a divorce that caused me to have to leave it. They are STILL bothering me about coming back, after they full well know I can't afford them, they're so expensive, and now I owe loans for over $50,000 because back then I was on my own and young and stupid. It's been over 7 years and they still won't leave me along about coming back, though I've already told them my situation.
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ZoPteryx [2015-01-12 00:01:55 +0000 UTC]
Wow, so they're just changing the programs on you while you're still trying to finish your degree?! You'd think they'd at least let continuing students continue on their current path as originally told.
While I haven't been swindled quite this bad (as far as I know), I was told years ago by a college representative that my AP credits from high school would be transferable to the same classes in college, it was implied that because I took the AP classes in high school I wouldn't have to take the same classes in college. Well, apparently that wasn't entirely accurate. The units I earned just count as general units for the area of study (science, lit, econ, etc.), rendering them all but useless because most of those classes are prerequisites that must be taken at the college in order to move on to the classes I really need! What's more, my goal is to transfer on a specific degree (paleontology) to a university soon, but the confused councilors are still telling me I need general education credits, but the relevant units (fulfilled by the AP units) don't get added to my academic history until I actually transfer! I'll be applying for my AS in geology in March, can't wait to see how that goes!
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Dalia1784 [2015-01-11 23:55:42 +0000 UTC]
I actually tried to go there for their 3D animation program in the San Antonio campus and didn't even make it past the filling out the registration papers cause I found out they were going to charge me $23,000 for tuition for one small semester. What made it worse was that they denied me for financial aid even though I was approved. I backed out and moved on to community college, at first community college's 3D Animation program was nice but unfortunately it was all "VIDEO GAMES! VIDEO GAMES!! IT'S VIDEO GAME ANIMATION OR NO DEGREE!!" After the third semester I changed my degree plan to Digital Art on an emphasis if Illustration and design.
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bobshmit13 [2015-01-11 23:42:40 +0000 UTC]
I hope things gett better. We're all here for you!
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EvanOakTree [2015-01-11 23:35:15 +0000 UTC]
I am thinking about studying Graphic/3D design at a school, but I haven't decided where yet... I'm already a decent artist, so I was thinking that would help out.
I'm not sure if this is a problem with The AI or just something more personal, but I will definitely consider not choosing the Art Institutes.
It seems that going into art school is definitely risky, (but so are a great majority of other Universities/ studies... in terms of not finding a job/getting stuck with debt.)
The thing about traditional animation/ a degree in animation is that it isn't really in high demand, and you need to really be good at what you do to get hired.
Though, a lot of artists now days are also lucky in some ways , seeing that the standard of what is considered "art" is pretty subjective. The Modern art world is precisely that...A world of modern art/ expressionism where an "artist" can quite literally throw shit (yes, literal shit) on a canvas and make thousands off of it.
It seems like you want to have some kind of creative ambition/plan before even going into art school...A game design for example...Most of the best games were thought out before hand by a day dreaming dude in high school, who had a true passion and vision for what he wanted to create.
But of course, I'm talking about computer/3D based animation for the most part, which seems to be the better choice to study...Because there are all kinds of jobs nowadays that need someone with those skills...I met a guy just the other day who is making more than 100,000 dollars a year just being the 'video/graphics and sound guy' (for lack of a more accurate title) for a company.
If you have any thoughts about 3D/Graphic design based on your experience with Art school, I'd love to hear them.
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grievousfan In reply to EvanOakTree [2015-01-12 03:21:13 +0000 UTC]
If Art Institute is anything to go by, actual artistic talent has no affect on enrolling in art schools. They legit don't care if you can't even draw a stick figure (evidenced by some of the new students' portfolios), as long as you have money falling out of your pockets.
And going in with a plan is always a good idea. One of my mistakes was going in, then not making a definite plan until two years into it
With the new curriculum at Art Institute, students have to have either a 2D OR a 3D focus. The old curriculum, the one I started on, let us focus on both...but it was in the Animation program, which only has a Bachelor's degree available. Graphic Design is the "beginner" degree for anyone who has a GPA below 2.5, has an Associate's degree available, and is decidedly easier to complete than Animation, though has no 3D courses (unless you take them as extras to add on to all of the Graphic Design courses you'd already be taking). This is just at Art Institute; I really don't know if courses would be laid out like this at other art schools/schools with art programs
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StrayFlame [2015-01-11 22:06:35 +0000 UTC]
i had no idea about the recent history behind that school until i read your journal just now. im a lil concerned now for my brother, whom is currently in his 2nd year there for Game Art (pardon, i can never remember the full title, but it's essentially game programming). he did start out in a crappy apartment complex (their 'dorms'), shared with 3 other folks, his 'room' being a....loft? or something? he had no privacy and shared the 6ft wide space with another roommate. and 2 of his old roommates were arrested for dealing in less than a few weeks after he found a new apartment...but i digress. and he was paying nearly $1000 for it if i recall correctly. i dont think he's had any issues with the admin yet for with the financial aid folks, but not every school's admin is perfect. his work load has increased just since his second quarter. now i dunno what exactly constitutes as a reasonable workload for game programmers, but it seems like making a fully functional flash game-with 2 other people-with features and mechanics that you would normally see in a game you would PAY for-in less than one quarter's time--i feel like they're dumping a lot him/the student body. my guess just based on my personal experience at Uni. as a drawing major, my workload was fairly hefty, too. generally everyone in the drawing program was taking about 4-5 other related courses, each requiring at minimum 4-6 hours outside effort to get just a single class's project done in 3 weeks. LOLF*KTHAT. that's how i translate his homework/projects whenever i ask him :/
wow sorry for also ranting there a bit. thank you for sharing your story and for giving some insight to such a "prestigious" school. i'll pass this info along to my bro, not to change his mind about attending, but to remind him to take a step back and look at what he's doing there and if he's still happy with everything. cuz i would hate for him (and anyone else) to endure what you and i have gone through (my experience being much different, but with a similar outcome). do hope that everything will work out for you and that you find happiness in what you wanna do most
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mourning-dreams In reply to StrayFlame [2015-01-12 00:20:35 +0000 UTC]
Issues doesn't even begin it man. *funny to see you here, hahaha* I was in this school, and it's definately extremely fishy, it has injured me financially, really really bad, and it's not helping the issues I already am having.
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LiathBlack [2015-01-11 21:49:52 +0000 UTC]
Two years ago i was planning on going to the AI in Houston to finish my degree ( i study what might be called Culinary Management in the states, i study in Mexico and was planning on transfering) i was fortunate enough to take both my mom and dad with me to check the curriculum and financial plans, not even 10 minutes into the interview my dad told me this was not the school for me. At first i was a little bit pissed but after researching more about it i am sooooo glad i had my parents there with me! Now after reading this i am sure we made the right decision. I am so sorry to hear you had such a hard time and thank you so much for writing this down, maybe it will help someone else to open their eyes before they commit with out fully researching any school.
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Template93 [2015-01-11 21:42:03 +0000 UTC]
After my graduation (June of 2014)(Schaumburg, Il), I'm not going to suggest the "Art Institutes" to any one. The stories I heard from other students about the BS they pull, and my personal experience with a few thing, I would not recommend it. I had no choice but to do house. as nice as it is, it's not worth the price. There financial department sucks. There class scheduling is a joke. And many other things that are wrong. I did love the people there, and loved the instructors. But other then that, I would probably not go there again if I wanted another degree.
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Nichrysalis In reply to Template93 [2015-03-05 13:17:08 +0000 UTC]
That's the exact AI school I was recruited too. Yah, definitely going to be avoiding.
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iamli3 [2015-01-11 19:58:28 +0000 UTC]
gonna copy/paste this from your previous journal as it still applies....
you (along with anyone else reading this) might wanna check this out to get a more comprehensive understanding of why and how the situations you describe are how they are , and what can be done about it
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EewGMB…
would like to hear back from you on this....
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QwixLochflow [2015-01-11 19:52:58 +0000 UTC]
This makes me count my blessings that I managed to be on the grace of my parents' pockets for 2 years of college before putting it on the sidelines. I went to UNO, partly because it's as close to me as Ai is for you, but also because I had no clue what I really wanted to do. ...I still am not entirely sure, but aiming for a commercial art degree of sorts is my lead. I'll just chip away at the required classes one class at at time out of my own pocket... whenever I decide to go back at least.
But damn, yours is a story of hell ascending. I don't think anyone would blame you for bowing out when you did, you more than deserved that break.
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Crazyaniknowit [2015-01-11 19:38:45 +0000 UTC]
Ugh! I know exactly how you feel, and I'm not even the one who went, it was my dad.....over 10 years ago!! And we still have like $4,000 at LEAST to pay off from his $30,000 enrollment fee. *Gag!* it's pretty damn annoying, it's been eating our money since I was about 5 years old.
Btw, my older sister is almost 19, and she just barely graduated last year, she's been in a Massage Therapy class since a few months after that and graduates from it in March! It's a really good school, she has a lot of fun and she's the top of her class. It was a $16,000 enrollment fee($8,000 of which was paid by various family members eager to see her get a good start in life) the rest of which is being paid over time. For her it was well worth it, so I think it definitely depends on the quality of college you choose. I've never considered college since art is mostly a hobby to me, something I just enjoy doing. And, it's a very unpopular opinion, I just wanna be a stay-at-home mom. :/
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AleximusPrime [2015-01-11 19:20:16 +0000 UTC]
Damn. I'm glad I didn't go to this school now. Is this just your school or is it all of the AI schools?
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