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Chibiolivi [2014-10-02 16:13:30 +0000 UTC]
good drawing,
Does YJ refer to the cartoon universe of which her Freddy and Kit would have been part of if their comic arc in the related comic hadn't been scrapped due to time?
Seriously it Irks me to no end that the Young Justice Fandom doesn't seem to give a hoot about who was part of the team during the five year time skip.....well OK that's not entirely true(Jason Donna Tula and Garth do appear in quite a few different stories and fanart) but still aside from two stories over on fanfiction.net (excluding my own which I'm heavily revising right now) and a few different fanartsΒ I've yet to see someone actually use Mary and Freddy as team Members and actual legit main characters(even in season three style fics that included the other time skippers!) like seriously they were on the team around the same time as Jason and Donna! personally i have a headcanon where the reason why they and Donna left was because of Jason death(kinda like a parallel of how Dick and Artemis were/acted when Wally died....dunno how or why but somehow I've developed a liking for Jason/Mary and a OT3 involving the forementioned couple and Freddy Freeman)
Greg Weisman the cartoon's producer actually said on AskGreg that both Mary and Donna were planned to appear at Rocket's bridal shower(or whatever that was) in the show but the people behind the character designs didn't have enough time to properly develop either girls so ultimately they were both scrapped from appearing.
sorry I'm just somewhat of a huge fangirl of the Marvel/Shazam family heh so I'm really passionate about the subject so to speak.
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Heckfire In reply to Chibiolivi [2014-10-04 03:52:01 +0000 UTC]
Actually, "YJ2" was a sort of blanket reference to a DCU comic-book universe idea I had where the second Impulse, Irey West (daughter of Wally West), was assembling a team made up of other "forgotten" young heroes, mainly those I'd personally felt had been mishandled in the comics, under the equally defamed "Young Justice" team name (in the comic universe, Young Justice was an actual team but when they took the blame for a rogue Superman robot murdering two Titans, Donna Troy and Omen, they disbanded so they could become part of a new Teen Titans team). As you probably got from the desc, I felt/still feel Mary has been BADLY mishandled and I wanted to try and restore her without resorting to the cheap tactic of erasing everything and rebooting again (she's already been rebooted at least three times IN THE MAIN DC UNIVERSE ALONE since DC got ownership of her, and that's not even counting stuff like the Jeff Smith comic and "Magic of Shazam").
Honestly, I LOVED how Billy was handled by the YJ cartoon, especially the episode that was an homage to the "World Without Grown-Ups" comic that lead directly to the original YJ comic series, and I was looking forward to seeing the other Marvels show up, but c'est la vie...
This design and the stuff mentioned in the desc actually tied mainly into my personal Captain Marvel "relaunch" idea, "Billy's Quest," but after the "New 52" reboot, I retooled that story into one centering around Mary and Freddie's daughter, who I named Billie Freeman...you can find a couple of sketches about her in my gallery, too. If you want to use this uniform for Mary's in your story, though, please feel free to.Β
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Chibiolivi In reply to Heckfire [2014-10-11 02:04:45 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for offering but right now i'm attempting to draw and color how i see her myself
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OneWingedShark [2013-10-01 01:25:51 +0000 UTC]
Nice - I'd like to see the subsequent iterations and/or the colorized version[s].
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Heckfire In reply to OneWingedShark [2013-10-01 07:41:14 +0000 UTC]
Actually, in light of the "New 52" reboot (and a friend's suggestion I "sand off the serial numbers" and make the story mine), I revised my story to center around a semi-OC: Mary and Freddie's daughter, Billie Freeman ( heckfire.deviantart.com/art/YJ⦠heckfire.deviantart.com/art/Bi⦠).
The idea that it was actually a continuation of their now-Public-Domain Golden Age Fawcett stories: after growing up and Mary and Freddie marrying and having a daughter, the Marvel Family vanished in battle and their infant daughter Billie was raised by Uncle Dudley and his daughter, Mary "Freckles" Dudley. Around the time she turned 10, she ended up being contacted by Athena and, otherwise, the "Billy's Quest" story this design was originally from became "Billie's Quest" instead, still going pretty much the same as I'd originally planned it.
I haven't given up on it, but I've been trying to focus my attention on my own original creations. I still plan on doing SOMETHING with it, though.
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Kairu-Hakubi [2011-08-01 03:20:12 +0000 UTC]
loving the pose!
I'm afraid the desc was tldr ^^'
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Heckfire In reply to Kairu-Hakubi [2011-08-01 03:27:11 +0000 UTC]
Eh, it was mostly rant anyway, NP...LOL
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Kairu-Hakubi In reply to Heckfire [2011-08-01 03:29:37 +0000 UTC]
oh my god I just noticed your icon is that.. guy.
I have a weird fuzzy memory of drawing that guy for someone, once..they had a fullsized reference.. and.. I lost that picture when I lost that folder in a reformat.. just that folder.. so very few half-remembered pictures..
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Heckfire In reply to Kairu-Hakubi [2011-08-01 03:36:38 +0000 UTC]
LOL, you are the first person to have EVER seen him beyond my icon other than the cartoonist whose strip introduced him to me. I named him "Captain Freespeech" (since said comic was a satirical one about "the dangers of Free Speech on the Internet")...I even have a couple of drawings (including a horrible funny-at-4AM Hostess Fruit Pie ad) buried in my gallery somewhere. Worst part is when people assume he's ME, though, LOL.
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Kairu-Hakubi In reply to Heckfire [2011-08-02 00:29:42 +0000 UTC]
holy crap.. now I really wish I had that old picture..
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Heckfire In reply to Kairu-Hakubi [2011-08-02 05:09:40 +0000 UTC]
I still have a copy, if you want it.
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Kairu-Hakubi In reply to Heckfire [2011-08-02 22:06:34 +0000 UTC]
I meant the old one I drew ^^ hehehe.
God these are old memories.. like 10 years ago..
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Agent00Soul [2011-01-24 18:20:35 +0000 UTC]
Very cool! I have to say, my favorite version of Mary was the 1970s incarnation; when DC first started publishing new stories with the Fawcett gang. Mary was a teenager then, she looked about 16 or 17, and stayed the same age when she said "Shazam." I really liked that particular costume with the slippers. Actually, since Billy still looked like a kid, maybe Mary was supposed to be his older sister at the time. I can't remember. Her personality during those issues was pretty relaxed and some Spiderman-level wit in her dialogue.
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Heckfire In reply to Agent00Soul [2011-01-24 18:58:37 +0000 UTC]
Glad you like her! I know a lot of people tend to dis the 70's book, but that was the decade where the Marvels got the closest to mainstream success; in fact, that's probably where a lot of Mary's fans were first introduced to her, if you check some of the ages. I even tried to incorporate some of the elements from the "New Adventures" era into my "Billy's Quest" story, particularly in the identity of one of the supporting cast and one of the villains.
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djgaijin In reply to Heckfire [2011-01-25 00:37:48 +0000 UTC]
Nitpicking here, that's probably the closest they've been to mainstream success under the DC banner. Remember, the Big Red Cheese was whupping Superman's ass in sales under Fawcett, which was the main reason for the huge, drawn-out lawsuit that eventually killed Fawcett off. Even had a successful movie serial.
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Heckfire In reply to djgaijin [2011-01-25 04:19:04 +0000 UTC]
My bad. C'mon, seriously, you think I DON'T know about their Golden Age success? Seriously? Hell, I've been making plans based off of the fact that many of their original appearances and foes are in Public Domain now, even if DC owns the Batson and Shazam names (and Marvel Comics owns "Captain Marvel")...like I said to Jpalo up there, if I don't use this design for Mary, I'll use it for my own "Billie Freeman" character.
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djgaijin In reply to Heckfire [2011-01-25 04:37:39 +0000 UTC]
LOL, sorry, I get OCD about these things. I'm just a know-it-all at heart I guess.
Hey, now there's an obscurity for you: Captain Thunder, the ersatz Captain Marvel that Superman met once as DC testing the waters for fully integrating the Fawcett characters with the DCU. That's almost as obscure as Protector (at least Captain Thunder was briefly canon).
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Heckfire In reply to djgaijin [2011-01-25 05:15:04 +0000 UTC]
Heh...funny you should mention "Protector"...
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djgaijin In reply to Heckfire [2011-01-25 05:23:10 +0000 UTC]
Oh dear lord...you didn't...
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Heckfire In reply to djgaijin [2011-01-25 05:26:53 +0000 UTC]
Well, Gwen Harper needed an identity, and it's not like Jason Hart's used it since the PSA comics anyway...besides, it's a red-white-and-blue costume and her "dad" is already a shield-slinger, it just seemed a good match.
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djgaijin In reply to Heckfire [2011-01-25 06:57:11 +0000 UTC]
Poor Jim Harper. His DNA must be tied in knots by now.
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Heckfire In reply to djgaijin [2011-01-25 11:25:19 +0000 UTC]
How else do you think they made a 10-year-old girl out of it?
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djgaijin In reply to Heckfire [2011-01-25 17:08:04 +0000 UTC]
LOL, true.
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djgaijin [2011-01-24 18:07:18 +0000 UTC]
I thought Jeff Smith did a pretty good job with her in that "Shazam and the Monster Society of Evil" mini a few years ago. But then, that was an origin retelling and she was a little kid in both forms (really little, she and Billy were both preteens).
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Heckfire In reply to djgaijin [2011-01-24 18:26:37 +0000 UTC]
I haven't read it, and it HAS been recommended to me a few times (besides, I am a HUGE "Bone" fan), along with the all-ages "Billy Batson and the POWER of SHAZAM" series...but I'm not sure if going so DRASTICALLY in the other direction is any better than turning her fully adult.
I'm just...I have a thing about reboots. It's like the cheap cop-out way of dealing with a character, plus, and I fully admit I'm probably reading too much of my own situations into things, it feels like the message is "If it got damaged or isn't perfect anymore, it's irredeemable garbage and needs to be scrapped and restarted or ignored completely." You'll notice most of my K-Girls are pulled from the dregs and outcasts of the Godzilla canon; that's because that's what I like to do, take the stuff nobody wants and make something worthwhile out of it. Garbage sculpture on a meta scale, I guess...
Anyway, I'm sure they're both excellent comics, but they still don't address the brutalization done to the main continuity Marvels...of course, you could say the entire CU has been run through the wringer sideways the past decade, too, but one piece at a time here...
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djgaijin In reply to Heckfire [2011-01-24 19:49:43 +0000 UTC]
I wouldn't really call it a reboot, because it doesn't really change things in mainline continuity. It's more of a revisiting, sort of like Matt Wagner's Batman minis retelling early stories (Batman and the Mad Monk, Batman and the Monster Men).
I don't mind reboots if there's a real pressing need to clean up some particularly garbled piece of continuity or a character that's been rendered effectively unusable...as long as it's done well. They rarely are, though, and with continuity so intertwined these days it's almost impossible to seriously reboot something without causing havoc (see: Byrne Patrol, status of Beast Boy in regards to)
And yeah, I hear you. I have a thing for obscurities myself.
(But yeah, read Smith's Shazam. It's good all-ages stuff)
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shadowblade316 [2011-01-24 16:32:02 +0000 UTC]
I'm going to guiltily admit that I kinda liked the Superbuddies era Mary Marvel. It was my first real exposure to the character, and I thought the wholesomeness she had, while over the top, was nice change from how the vast majority of superheroes seem all grim, dark, and angsty. Really didn't like when they made her evil.
I'm guessing that your version of Mary won't get an adult body when she's powered up, right? Might look a little out of place on a team of kids called Young Justice.
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Heckfire In reply to shadowblade316 [2011-01-24 17:09:52 +0000 UTC]
Well, that's the idea...thing is, her real age has been bounced all over the map so much recently. I think in-canon she and Billy are supposed to be college-age now (in the Superbuddies stuff, she and Fire were room-mates even, I think), so it might be a moot point if she's adult in hero form since she's an adult powered down, too; however, both "Countdown" and "Final Crisis" made her and Freddy teens again (which makes her cameo in "Blackest Night" where she and Billy share an apartment and moon over what they used to be...which, well, is as out-of-character as everything else involving them these days...even more confusing).
See, part of the problem is that she originally didn't turn into an adult like Billy; that was an element only brought in during the 90's reboot. Before she just turned into her teen form in a costume like Freddy did. However, all you have to do is bounce around the galleries here so see that she's become as highly sexualized a character as Supergirl and Power Girl have, ESPECIALLY after her "Black Mary" phase. It's just, with "age of consent vs. actual teenage sexuality" and the idea of the sexualization (why does my spell checker keep saying that's misspelled?) of teenagers such an international hot-button topic (dude, even JAPAN has outlawed loli/shota porn recently, and they created the TERMINOLOGY), I just figured it'd be safer, as well as potentially more entertaining, to read and write about a Mary Marvel taken back to basics with all the fetishy stuff set aside.
...funny how this never comes up with Billy. I mean, like EVER...it was even a running joke in the Golden Age about adult women falling for him without knowing he was really a kid and him totally freaking out about it. Of course, they were all ten or eleven back then. The most recently it was addressed was when he and the current Stargirl started dating in JSA and the adult members of the team almost put him through the fucking Source Wall over it, so, rather than give up his secret identity, he broke up with her and later quit the team entirely. If public politics weren't the "bread and circuses" bloodbath they are nowadays, I can imagine the story going differently (amusing sidenote: this was ALSO a plotline for the Ultraverse's "X-TREEME 90's" Cap knock-off, Prime, only in his case, it was him and Chelsea Clinton).
I suppose this would HAVE to be a reboot, then, or maybe the hero form of a different Marvel...after learning the original Golden Age versions of the Marvel Family are in Public Domain, I briefly toyed with reworking my "Billy's Quest" story to center around his niece, the daughter of Freddy Freeman and Mary Batson (I named her "Billie Freeman"), so I might end up using this as HER possible "hero form" instead.
Ugh...the Marvels have become just as continuity toxic nowadays as the Hawks were in the 90s, haven't they? *headdesk* AH just wahnt mah Marvels bahk...
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shadowblade316 In reply to Heckfire [2011-01-24 18:38:35 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, Mary's in-canon age is pretty confusing. I thought she was already grown up in Superbuddies since I she looked at least college aged to me when she wasn't in costume. Came as a surprise to me when you said the idea of her losing her virginity was nixed because she was still a kid.
Which brings up another question. How young are you planning your Young Justice to be? The original Young Justice looked early-to-mid-teens to me, but the current Young Justice on TV seems to be in the mid-to-late-teen range.
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Heckfire In reply to shadowblade316 [2011-01-24 19:09:07 +0000 UTC]
Frankly, I got no idea...Hell, I've discovered at least three pre-teen super-heroines-to-be (four if you count the current Blue Beetle's kid sister, Milagro, who has none of the skills or powers but all of the heart and guts needed...maybe I'll put HER in the Kid Devil suit..?), one of whom (Iris "Impulse" West) was supposed to be the catalyst in the initial idea anyway, so it seems to be a 10-16 range, which is probably insane.
Hell, considering I'm having so much fun with just the girls, maybe I'll make two teams, one co-ed teens and once 10-16 females, like a young version of "Birds of Prey" (slogan: "DON'T call them 'chicks!'" LOL)...I mean, they already HAVE a teenage Oracle (Proxy, aka Wendy after getting mauled and wheelchaired by Wonderdog in "Teen Titans") apparently, so why the Hell not? I just don't wanna leave Lagoon Boy and Son of Vulcan in the proverbial crisper drawer (he said, mangling the "in refrigerators" metaphor further) the way they've been...all my bitching about "diversity," it'd be outright hypocritical not to do something with them.
At any rate, I'm mainly using these as creative "wind sprints" to try and get myself back up to fighting prime again, so we'll see if I can do anything with them.
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shadowblade316 In reply to Heckfire [2011-01-25 00:15:25 +0000 UTC]
Well, if you can't reasonably squeeze them all in one team, I don't see why you couldn't do two teams.
So that's what happened to Wendy...
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Heckfire In reply to shadowblade316 [2011-01-25 04:23:24 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, apparently she and Marvin are the kids of Oracle's evil counterpart, former Bat-villain The Calculator; while he kidnapped and tortured Kid Eternity to try and bring Marvin back from the dead, Babs took Wendy in and trained her as an assistant Oracle. Considering I haven't even touched the "Junior Birds" Sin and Misfit yet, either...
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shadowblade316 In reply to Heckfire [2011-01-25 18:48:22 +0000 UTC]
Dang, I had to look up Sin and Misfit to know who you were talking about. I gotta try to get back in the loop on this stuff...
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