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Published: 2015-08-31 13:34:07 +0000 UTC; Views: 11643; Favourites: 96; Downloads: 0
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Please, spread the word. Do not let some sexy snake-lady take away the name of a mythological monster that killed children. She deserves better. (By the way, this is a joke rant. Don't get your monster panties in a twist)A lil' something I got the urge to do, between a batch of FF Lesson comics. Not often that I do this, of stopping progress on an ongoing work to indulge in something elseΒ that tickles my fancy. Wish I could do it more often... one day, Cintiq... one day... xDD
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yep, you should true!
i called snake-girls that...
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Aren't Naga full on snake-ish,with only vaguely humanish features, while Lamia are half snake half human? So....does that make you a liar?
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More often than not, Nagas are despicted inΒ Indian art as half-snaked people, usually with a cobra hood and multiple arms, and is described as an entire race of supernatural/divine beings. The Lamia, meanwhile,Β is a singular creature, a boogeyman of Ancient Greek myth. As a daemon (evil spirit), after its transformation it is supposedly described as a humanoid specter with snake-like skin, not a half-snake body.
The JOKE of this silly comic is based on the fact that the Lamia was never despicted in Ancient Greek art (that has ever been found), leaving us with no direct clues as to how she was supposed to look like, if at all, to the culture that it originated from. Furthermore, there's a lot of confusion that occurs due to a) during the Christian overtaking of Europe a lot of entities and beings from polytheistic cultures were turned into demons, and the Lamia had her appearence merged with the description of another daemon, the Empusa (as seen inΒ old carvings); and b) later fine art, mainly from the past three centuries, romanticized the Lamia as a woman wearing a snake-like dress (that she could take off, as a representation of her shape-shifting abilities), which would eventually lead to her current visual interpretation of a half-snake lady.
Mythology is weird. And fun.
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What's the difference between a lamia and naga anyways
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Lamia is a Greek and refers to a single entity, Nagas are Indian and are presented as a race of creatures.
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On a related note, Rachnera's kind are named after "Arachne" from Greek myths, but are closer to the Jerogumo of Japanese folklore
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Wow...I find this very entertaining...am I sadist?π
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I'm probably not the best person to ask.
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Well to bad sir, there now there own race and shit what you going to do about it
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The lamia race is all female dude know your stuff
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1) Do you understand what a joke is; If yes, prooceed to 2), so I can ruin the joke by explaining it.
2) In greek mythology Lamias aren't a race, it's one entity, whose description is that of a ghoulish humanoid with snake SKIN, not a snake body, and is described as a "daemon", or greek vampire.
Personally, I like the Lamia form thatΒ was a quadruped withΒ snake skin, human bust, claws of a lion, and back-half of a bull (that could also remove it's eyeballs from their sockets at will), but it's not possible to tell if that interpretation was popularized by the Christian church when they had the whole "Turn creatures from previous cultures into demons" fad going on, since there's not really any portraits or paintings from Ancient Greece depicting the Lamia, at least that I could find (especially when I began watching/reading MonMusu, and I wanted to make sure).
As for the interpretation of the Lamia as a half-human half-snake creature, it seems that the origin lies with the Renaissance, as a few paintings designed the Lamia as a woman hiding her snake tail under her garments (Renaissance painters, the original hipsters). Later, through D&D and a lot of japanese media, the "Lamia" became popularized to meanΒ a half-snake lady, despite the design being more closely related to the female Naga from East Asian cultures (India in particular), though I also cannot understand why exactly. Maybe it was just me, but I knew what Nagas were long before I knew what a Lamia was.
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GET A LOAD OF THIS GUY!
Now, joke rant or not, I do believe it is time to have someone who ACTUALLY STUDIES CRYPTOZOOLOGY, MYTHS AND LEGENDS to pop the proverbial jaunty lil' bonnet on yer noggin fer once.
There is a grand difference between Lamias and Nagas, yes, but Nagas aren't just "snake people", as they are magically-gifted water deities of Hindu lore that have specified denominations for their genders, such as NAGAS BEING MALE AND NAGHINIS BEING FEMALE. And since they are known throughout most of southeast asia, Nagas also come in hydra-esque and dragon-like forms such as those akin to Chinese dragons.
But Lamias are a 100% female species of snakepeople that herald from the Mediterranean, i.e., Greece, because of their roots. Lamias (or Lamiae as the plural,) were once known for possessing vampire-like qualities as they feasted on the flesh and blood of newborns and children, as the original myth of the Lamia stated. But also, Lamiae, Nagas, Naghini, all have a common ancestor, namely the queen of monsters herself, who herself spawned a species of self-named snake-women named after herself, the Echidna, who was, and you'd best be following me on this; A HUMAN FEMALE-LIKE DEITY OF GREEK LORE WITH A GIGANTIC SERPENTINE TAIL FROM THE HIPS DOWN WHO GAVE BIRTH TO EVERY MONSTER IN GREEK MYTHOLOGY.
I saw this little "joke rant" floating about on the net, and knowing my studies, this just simply irritated me knowing how beyond incorrect it was, especially considering YOU CALLED A LAMIA A NAGA. Not even a Naghini, but the male denomination, Naga.
While the rest of your art looks wonderful, this "joke rant" of yours is...dreadfully misinformed.
Keep up the good work. c:
And by the way? Don't take this the wrong way, but methinks you need just a teensy bit more of a brushup on your Cryptozoological studies, m'man.
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Naga is the neutral term for the race.
Where's your sources, smart guy?
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A Naga is a large, serpentine deity from Buddhist and Hindu mythology that can take the form of a human with a serpentine tail from the waist down, or a massive, multiheaded king cobra, and is also known to be both a fire AND water spirit akin to dragons of European and Oriental lore.
A female Naga is known as a Nagi or a Nagini.
Cryptzoology 101, babe.
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I asked for sources, not for you to repeat the Wikipedia page on Nagas. And I asked for sources on Lamia.
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Nah, didn't repeat nuffin.
But if you are so keen, knowledge of Nagas and Nagini are quite commonplace in Hindu lore, such as they being basically the oldest beings aside from the gods and goddesses in the known universe, AND Padmavati being, and I quote, "The mother of all Nagas", which in turn is a mirroring of the Greek tale of The Echidna, who is the Greek mother of ALL monsters.
I will admit, I admire your tenacity thus far.
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And Tiamat is the Mother of Monsters in Mesopotanian culture.
Either back up your claims in regards to Lamia with some sources and evidence, or, Mr. Expert in Fakezoology, french-kiss my rectum.
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>States that his sources are old Hindu, Javanese, Grecian and Homeric-era mythology from various cultures that can easily be found at any local library, museum exhibit or online database OUTSIDE OF WIKIPEDIA
>"lel where are ur resources from, m8?"
Praytell, do you have any idea how many books are out there about the very subjects I just mentioned, let alone of beings such as Lamiae and Nagas/Nagini alone, sir? Hundreds. Thousands, even, that cover the exact same subjects in a multitude of languages aside from English.
Hell, JK Rowling named a character, which was a pet serpent/horcrux belonging to Voldemort, which was a female serpent, and I quote, NAGINI, after the female counterparts to the legendary Hindu deities, the Naga.
Don't sell me a toolshed and call it the Taj Mahal, because there are more sources out there of this subject than you can even mention.
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Then why don't you source me some? Build a case. Aren't you the one "studying" cryptozoology? Provide me with the material to back up your assertions. Your word means jackshit, you're some rando on the Internet that got butthurt that I made a joke, based on a preference of interpretation.
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The case was set well before you decided to ask for sources that were well within means and walking distance, or a mere google search. But the fact you're accusing me of being without his sources as well as accusing me of being a "rando on the internet" while accusing ME of being butthurt is just hilarious.
But joke or not, Nagas are male, Naginis are female, and the fact you bat away evidence of that while asking for sources that were already given to you is getting ridiculous, m'man.
Is it...seriously that hard to go to a library and do some researxh instead of asking others to do your dirtywork, dude? Come on, it isn't THAT hard to grab a book about Hindu and Greek mythology, is it?
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Is it that hard for you? You're the one that started this thread with "I'm studying cryptozoology". You're the expert, prove it. Provide me with direct, unquestionable sources to your claims. Not once here have I said you were wrong, so prove ME wrong. If you can't do that, then you're just trying to feel superior for no reason, when talking about fantasy.
The funny thing is, you keep going on and on about the Nagas, when I don't give a shit about the Nagas. Trying to divert attention from the fact that you bullshitted your way here, thinking you'd stay on top, when you can't even provide some reading material that justifies your stances in regards to, I repeat, the LAMIA.
One last time: either back up your claims, so I can learn something new, and give you any credance, or you can kneel down, pucker up, and french-kiss my rectum, Mr. Smarty Pants. I'd provide you with the third option of learning to get a sense of humor, but clearly that is beyond your capacity, boyo.
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The strawman reveals himself in all his glory!
You were given all the sources you needed, what if they were encyclopedias of mythology that can be found at bookstores, libraries, net searches, EVEN BASIC FAIRYTALES ACROSS THE GLOBE, and you demand a single source of it all? You demand someone to move heaven and earth and point out the fact that there is no one source when there are hundreds, and you wish me to list every. single. one. but now, in all your rage, you accuse me of "bullshitting" and being "butthurt" when it is you who has raged on long enough for stating blatantly incorrect information?
...There have been Bronies, SU fans, EVEN TUMBLR USERS who are the utmost dregs of society who have more dignity than what you claim to have! You were given a source from the top of one's head, such as the knowledge of a novelist like JK Rowling, who was the author of a book series that spurned a multimillion dollar media franchise, who named a character after the female counterpart of a NAGA, and yet, you chose to call an apple and orange.
You want a source? THERE YOU GO. What's that, your ingloriousness? You want another source to jam up your ass? www.britannica.com/topic/naga-β¦ ATCHOO! LOOK AT THAT! ANOTHER SOURCE FOR HIS ROYAL LAZINESS!
Knock knock, who's there? www.therianthropes.com/nagas_m⦠ANOTHER SOURCE FOR HIS UNDISPUTED EGOTISTICAL SMUGNESS.
And for my final trick, ladies and gentlemen, I present to you and his most royal boorishness, A FUCKING BOOK RESULT BECAUSE HE CAN'T GET HIS ASS TO A LIBRARY TO SAVE HIS SKIN. books.google.com/books?isbn=90β¦
Now, if you deny those additional sources, then fine, I won't stop you, but if you want to continue to call an apple an orange, then do so without your head so far up your ass that you were crowned king of the tapeworm kingdom of your lower intestine.
And to further entertain his disturbingly ass-fascinated highness, here is a smidgeon of Lamia for you to satisfy your depraved sourced needs. www.theoi.com/Ther/Lamia.html
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED? IS THIS NOT WHY YOU ARE HERE?
The worst you can do is chicken out, send me hate mail and block me before I get the chance to reply. Now, while I am not one to resort to a blocklist any longer because it is beyond cowardly, if you wish to do so so I can have a delicious laugh at proving you wrong, then be my guest.
Either way, it's written in stone, m'man.
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You don't know what a strawman is, it seems.
You were the one making claims, the burden of proof was on you, dipshit. All you had to do was back up your comments with factual sources, which you only did now. Finally.
But no, keep riding that high-horse, ya retard. All of this could have been averted if you had stopped to think that your word means jack-shit, and that you could have provided these links right from the get-go, and saved us both your idiocy and superiority complex.
And all of your links back up what I stated: Nagas is the neutral term for the race; and there is no evidence (visual or written) that the Lamia was a race, nor that it had a snake lower-half.
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Hm, using a slur.
Gee, that can't getcha in trouble or anything, right?
It is beyond clear that your inability to read has shone through like a dim lightbulb inside a shitcaked outhouse, because there are several times those sources mention that is the FEMALE COUNTERPART to the Naga species.
But ooooh no, the strawman just had to evolve into a 40-foot tall scarecrow and grasp his "I called a Lamia a Naga without doing my homework" straws so tightly, he became the grain-based equivalent to Tetsuo The Ironman. So who exactly is on their high-horse here? YOU decide to go batpoop bananas because you were shown the facts, and yet you used a slur? Gee, aren't you a barrel of laughs. :v
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And Naga is aplicable as the neutral term, just as Man is to human beings in most documentation and cultural texts, before the term human and humanity became the go-to.
You also still don't know what a strawman is.
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The more you deny Naginis, the more you make a joke out of yourself. This kind of conversation can go on for months and months on end, but I got plenty of time I can happily waste on this because you've not done one iota of homework on anything that plenty of people laughed at you at rather than this "PSA".
But hey, if you only had a brain, aye, Scarecrow?
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I'm not denying it, you dunce. I am saying that Naga is not just the term for the male counterparts of the race, but also the catch-all/neutral term for the entire race of these creatures.
I could've been more specific. In fact, before I made this, when the idea for this joke came to mind, I wanted to make sure that it wasn't just based on my personal interpretation preference. I did spend a while looking this up, to make sure that the joke worked. And it did. I could have said Nagini, but that's even more out there, and people don't automatically associate it with Nagas. And also, most people hate homework, even if it's for a topic they enjoy. So I went with Naga. Because it's a silly, joke comic, and not some dissertation on fictional entities that barely anyone gives a rat's ass about.
But feel free to keep up that high-horse. Though you should realize that it's not a horse, it's a cactus, and the only thing happening is you getting thorned up the taint.
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And yet, you used a slur out of anger.
Yeah, that so-called high horse you claim I keep getting up on seems right at home with you, Scarecrow, because you fiercely defended the fact you flubbed facts and tried so feebly to turn the facts around when you got caught with your pants down.
Again with the rectal fantasies? Really, dude? After all this time of getting put down, you decide to just keep belting out ass fantasy after ass fantasy?
How...disturbed are you? Just riddle me this; how do you even function?
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By not getting offended at everything, and by at least trying to provide sources, if I make a claim. Offense is taken, not given, and I've had "worse" flung at me, while just having a regular conversation, and I didn't start crying and flinging shit at others, because nobody was doing it seriously.
Interesting how you assume that these "naughty" words I've triggered you with are used out of anger (do you not know what they say about assuming?). That's really just how I write, especially when interacting with someone that doesn't provide any semblance of respect towards me, so why should I do any different towards them. You perceive anything as an attack, and then you go on a tyrade when you are unable to just do a simple thing, like it wasΒ some herculean task for you to have provided those links the first time I asked for them. Instead, you go on and on and on, and even after you finally give source links, which I accepted, you still have to find a reason to keep going on with your tyrade. Probably because it makes your tiny canuck willy feel big. Gotta compensate, right?
All of this could have been avoided if a) you had given the links when asked for them; b) you wouldn't have gotten all triggered by "naughty" words; and c) you had any humility in your replies, instead of trying to feel superior and claim you "study" something that NOBODY actually studies (care to provide some evidence for that as well? Do you have your cryptozoology degree around, from the University of Paranoia, Ottowa?).
There's no point in replying to a cocky dipshit like yourself, if you aren't willing to reach out and meet others half-way, who gets insulted by everything and tries to act superior to everyone, even when they're down on the dirt, begging for another assfucking. For someone who has so much MLP shit on their dA page, you sure have completely missed the point of the show. So GG, retard, GG.
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Hm, using slurs, shitting on others' galleries for zero reason (i.e, getting personal), and getting quite bootyblasted to the point of hitting the block button while accusing someone of something they aren't.
Gee, and some people wonder why Newgrounds died the moment YouTube arose.Β
Before you decide to pull out the ol' worn "ol u have poneez in ur gallery" insult, them's were a gift from a friend, despite me not bein' a fan of MLP but doesn't mind them being a fan since the artist is like a little sister to yours truly, so I think you owe deltafairy an apology if you're done assuming things harder than the firmest redwood in California.
But have I even once insulted your art or gallery once in this whole pissing contest? If so, please by all means, do copypaste the very thing I said about your art being anything but quite neatly well done despite your attitude problem.
No, really, in the very next reply you decide to post, go ahead and post it right below this very reply.
Sure, you could use the whole "triggered" insult all you wanted, but at least I don't go full-on Hemingway, take something they said was a "joke rant" as seriously as if someone slapped their mother in the face, and write a novel's worth of a paragraph while immediately hitting the block button in the smuggest fashion possible like if you won some fucking medal for doing so.
Y'know something, man? You really are quite a good artist, and I say that quite honestly.
But your attitude is the very reason why a golden rule of the art world, "You can like an artist's work, but not the artist themselves", exists.
Reply, hit the block button, delete my comment from your inbox, hide our comments section, do whatever you bloody well fancy, because despite this being quite a few months late? This needed to be said for the longest time.Β
Oh, and for your information? Despite you having a tendency of accusing those who disagree with you being "triggered"? Funny that you call someone a slur against mentally handicapped people in a fashion that the likes of Zoe Quinn would give you a friendly slap on the back for, as well as it being against deviantART rules as no slurs are tolerated whatsoever, but what do I know? I'm just a simple, law-abiding dA user 's all.
Though, I admire that you unblocked me, which I honestly did not expect you to do.
...Happy new year, and I hope you have a lovely life.
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FINALLY,SOMEOME SAYS IT!
When I was little (I didn't even know what the meaning of "anime" was) I bought some books about fantasy creatures and mythology.There I found out about the nagas.
I really hated when I discovered that in the animes (and on the internet in general when talking about "anime monster girls") people called "lamias" to the creatures that,actually,were nagas.
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Same here. Still got my book, with different illustrations for THE Lamia (individual creature) and a generic Naga (race of creatures).
Granted, there is a SLIGHT possibility that the quadruped interpretation of the Lamia was due to christian overtake, trying to turn as many thingsΒ as possible from previous religions, into monsters and demons. But neither text seems to indicate anything different.
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I was born and raised in Greece.. Even then I did not hear about the Lamia until I came to America. Here in America the Lamia is a goat demon. REALLY REALLY epic looking. With furred legs and either hoves or clawed feet. I recommend ya look it up because it looks really cool. I then heard about the Greek Lamia who is a woman that ate children and was punished by zeus. I think this is the first time I've heard of a lamia that's just half snake half human. Always thought those were Naga.
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