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LarioLario54321 [2019-01-26 15:40:26 +0000 UTC]
But I Don't Want to Except Criticism; Because I Don't WANT to Improve; I like my stuff just the way they are!!! Why Should I Care what people like it or don't; It's not THEIRS to Like!
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WarpingMysteries [2018-11-28 10:25:24 +0000 UTC]
If you're experienced enough, all the mistakes are seen without anyone telling you. It's always peoples subjective opinion, almost none of them even understand how to draw. And in today's broad internet space you can find all the tutorials, look at all art styles, improve as much as you want.
Understanding what you did wrong and what you did right is the basics of self improvement, no people needed for it. Everyone nowadays calls themselves and artist just because they can fluff a few lines on the paper. It's a title that you earn through your life, and only a few can achieve it.
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JNerd300 [2017-08-03 21:45:21 +0000 UTC]
Looking back at band class I used to be scared of critism because one of the students said my sound on my flute was terrible. I became very insecure and...ugh but that all change when I went to a graphics class. My Graphics teacher helped me realized that critism is meant to help improve your work. She helped me out along with my classmates. Anyone reading this don't be afraid of Critism like I was!
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T04RK [2017-08-03 18:07:54 +0000 UTC]
PREACH.
I'm literally on dA for the purpose of getting critiques. Yet a lot of times, people feel scared to give any out due to the fear that I might attack them like a lot of beginner artists would.
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xCJDrawsx [2015-11-27 23:57:45 +0000 UTC]
The only bad criticism is where the critic says only "this is bad" or variations of that without explaining what the error(s) was/were.
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Zoroku In reply to xCJDrawsx [2016-03-25 20:42:24 +0000 UTC]
Agreed! That is one thing that annoyed me. -.-
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Azurewhiterose [2015-07-08 16:41:54 +0000 UTC]
I come back to read this from time to and what is a shame is that, Many artists don't seem to work hard enough or is just lazy. And I don't get it. I am glad this is still up because there is some things in here that I forgot about.
Thanks so much for sharing this though. It really needed to be said. I seen a lot of misinformation going around in the art world. And then there is artists who get at a certain level and just don't take art as seriously anymore, it's really sad. I think it's fine if art is just a hobby for them but, it's a bit concerning when they are selling their artwork...
In my honest opinion I think that there is always room for improvement.
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Captain-Syd [2015-02-04 08:15:49 +0000 UTC]
I know im a few years late on this, but because it's far and few between that I see a perspective on improving without requiring feedback, I'd like to share that I don't ask for critique not because I don't like it, but because I eventually will see my mistakes.
Sometimes I need to sleep on it and look at the piece with fresh eyes and give it time until I can actually see what needs to be edited.
Another reason is perspective i feel. What I see as correct, another person might see it as wrong. Sometimes, I may see a mistake another person can't see or I can't see the mistake another person is talking about.
I feel it's a matter of how we keep an open mind to critique as well.
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Azurewhiterose In reply to Captain-Syd [2015-07-08 16:33:23 +0000 UTC]
This is very true. I actually run into a few of the same problems myself.
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Azurewhiterose [2014-08-16 07:35:36 +0000 UTC]
I am not sure if I agree with this 100%...I don't know where you are getting at and i did read the whole thing. I admit I did get far on my own.Sometimes I need some people to look at my work and tell me what they think..
I can only get so far on my own.I need a fresh pair of eyes.Accepting criticism is important to me.I wouldn't have known what was wrong with my anatomy.
I agree though studying hard and looking at references through trial and error can help.I am my worst critic but,I would at least hear what people have to say.
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hibbary In reply to Azurewhiterose [2014-08-16 11:47:29 +0000 UTC]
I'm not saying it isn't good to have artists and other people to help you look at your work from a different perspective. It's VERY good. But a lot of people have made up this really strict narrative that you HAVE to, and you really don't.
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Azurewhiterose In reply to hibbary [2014-08-16 12:27:11 +0000 UTC]
Ah, I see.Now I get what you mean now.I honestly didn't get it at first.I misinterpreted somethings,but thanks for clearing that up. I can see what you mean about hard work though it's very important.
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TotallyDeviantLisa [2013-11-07 16:21:25 +0000 UTC]
Let this be a lesson to all of us.
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rujiidragon [2013-02-03 05:11:12 +0000 UTC]
I don't think its a problem of not accepting criticism, its a problem of "getting" criticism.
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elmenora [2012-04-15 19:31:25 +0000 UTC]
The reasoning behind the "accept criticism or never improve" statement is, it seems, to get people to look critically at their own work. If you can accept criticism from others, it means you can accept the idea that you have things to work on... and will then start looking for things to improve all on your own. Criticism doesn't necessarily come only from the outside. The frantic search for someone to give feedback comes in the gap between not accepting any advice and trusting your own eye.
IDK, what really bugs me is when people who ought to be giving criticism (teachers, classmates, etc) don't. I don't expect help from online - especially DA - but if teachers don't give feedback why take a class? Might as well study at home.
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Nominus-Expers [2012-04-02 11:44:31 +0000 UTC]
"Be a human, not a parrot." Very good advice.
Something that bothers me about critique is that it's unusual to find someone who is both willing and able to give accurate and constructive criticism. Very few people ever critique my work and find something at fault that I'm not aware of, and among those who have, two individuals stand out. One person never gives me any advice other than that my work "needs more polish", and the other person went over my entire FA gallery and ripped me to shreds; I lost my creative drive for weeks. It was emotionally devastating, and I'm not even sure why anymore, but as a result of all the useless and negative feedback I've gotten I don't usually invite it at all.
It's also worth noting that many people these days don't seem to be all that capable of critical thinking. It's not a skill that's emphasized in the public school system as far as my limited recollection of my education goes, but it's so important, I can't stress it enough. And all you have to do to think critically is apply one maxim to your everyday life: question everything. The key to productive self-appraisal and thus growth is to question whether you're really happy with your work, and to change things if the answer is no; at least, that's what I find. Experimenting is vital. Mistakes are vital. Neither, however, is any good if you can't learn from them.
I hope any of that makes sense x3
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AxisEnigma [2012-03-31 16:30:53 +0000 UTC]
Well, I would say constructive criticism is good, but some people are just destructive, and others misinterpret the constructive stuff
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InkTiger [2012-03-28 07:39:30 +0000 UTC]
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Kai-ni [2012-03-28 02:43:24 +0000 UTC]
Well said. I couldn't agree more, Although I admit I'm guilty of getting upset over crit, I always take it to heart and strive to fix it. It simply bothers me when people crit and make no attempt to be helpful with it... "Your coloring needs work"
Ok...? how so?? I know that, now tell me something useful, ha.
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CatPrincesse [2012-03-28 02:14:55 +0000 UTC]
Though drawing is just a hobby for me, some critique is always welcome. There's just some mistakes that I don't see in my own art until I come back later and look at it again.
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silvertales [2012-03-27 06:45:06 +0000 UTC]
THANK YOU!
That said, I take issue with what some people perceive is critique, for there is a difference between criticism and critique. A well-thought out critique that (helpfully) points out weak points as opposed to just slamming on a piece because it is not to someone's taste are two completely different things. Sad to say, most people have no idea how to give a good critique (and most artists have no idea how to USE a good critique.) DeviantArt is actually a prime example. There are plenty of people here who are capable of providing useful critique, but usually don't unless it's specifically requested (fine) and others who simple squee all over stuff (not helpful OR useful) and artists who whine about being attacked when any sort of flaw or error is pointed out in their work.
The heart of the matter is that an artist needs to understand that there is ALWAYS room for improvement and learning.
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lunarflight [2012-03-27 04:54:13 +0000 UTC]
I read your title, I liked it.
I read your first paragraph. I was dubious.
I read the whole rant. I loved it.
Sound advice. Finding good critique is one of the hardest things an artist can do, which means they can't rely on others' opinions to drive their growth.
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graceofbass [2012-03-26 18:15:03 +0000 UTC]
Hm, I'd never really thought about it that way, but you're right. I love to cook and bake, and whenever something doesn't turn out right I figure out how to fix it next time. For me, criticism of my food drags me down so I don't feel like making anything else (thankfully this rarely if ever happens). I can imagine the parallels to art as well, although I'm a complete amateur and no one has ever really critiqued my art. Thanks for the insight.
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Christine-E [2012-03-26 11:07:31 +0000 UTC]
Criticism about technique or anything else EXCEPT the theme,the subject, is more than welcome. If you like making, let's say fractals, would you stop making fractals because someone told you that fractals are not a cool subject? I had a teacher who had illustrated more than 80 children's books (at least he said so) and I drew an amazon killing another amazon (I was into that stuff back then) and all he commented about was the blood and the subject was too "gore". He should encourage my art, by helping me making it better in technique, color, etc. THAT was his job. To help you express your subjects in a better way, not change subject because he doesn't like it.
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Kelii [2012-03-26 00:31:00 +0000 UTC]
I wish people would criticize my work, nicely of course. I totally agree with you.
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Koi-Lantern [2012-03-25 21:48:35 +0000 UTC]
very good
I approve!
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RIPZyden070121 [2012-03-25 19:15:25 +0000 UTC]
I dont have issues with crit, just with the people who don't know how to give it properly. I could waste more time trying to sort out the valid feedback from the rubbish, but Id rather be actually drawing.
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Jianre-M [2012-03-25 18:27:08 +0000 UTC]
well said! I've been trying to explain that one for ages!
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enigmaticworld [2012-03-25 16:53:38 +0000 UTC]
Thanks Hib. This clears out some heavy, pessimistic clouds drifting around in my head.
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Teavian [2012-03-25 16:04:39 +0000 UTC]
This is so very true! It's good to accept criticism but it's also important to research anatomy and other things on your own! I've been trying to do this more often.
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PaganFireSnake [2012-03-25 13:05:22 +0000 UTC]
I do not have the critiques enabled and I think I have improved DRAMATICALLY pretty much on my own, just in the short few yrs I have been on dA. Though I always except any suggestions or constructive criticism in the normal comments I don't feel like I need to ask for it. I also feel that everyone has their own style. Someone may post their critique b/c they just don't like the style...giving suggestions that go totally against what the artist likes and is trying to accomplish. So I think it can hurt an artist in that respect too.
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326andwataru [2012-03-25 08:44:59 +0000 UTC]
Haha tru Dat!
I write stories, so I'm always hungry for feedback wether its negative or positive XD
Well, criticism is really important to me, because I tend to lack the ability to identify my mistakes or keep overlooking points that I could obviously improve. But I must agree that criticism that points out EVERYTHING is irritating(not that I've got one before) and it is a pain to read through it all.
And yes, those artists that reject criticism. They do exist. "So be it" is my answer and I will move on. Only thing that bothers me with this is that some artists tend to block people in stead of disabling the comment function in the first place D:
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NekoFever [2012-03-25 08:34:27 +0000 UTC]
I would be nodding furiously but you wouldn't be able to see that!
That statement was repeated to me so many times when I was young.
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SilverWerewolf09 [2012-03-25 07:53:44 +0000 UTC]
"...What actually handicaps an artist the most is avoiding hard work. A person who studies on their own can improve, but only if they approach their own work honestly, see their own mistakes, and fix them. When an artist flounders and does not improve, it is often because they are lazy or frightened of appearing inept and prefer to pretend the mistakes don't exist. It is because they are not studying on their own and not making a serious effort..."
"...I have no problem with people telling artists to learn to accept and use criticism. This is good. Keep it up. But for heaven's sakes, approach the problem with reality in mind."
These pretty much embody the best parts of this, in my opinion. Otherwise...I have mixed feelings about the post overall.
Given the message, which is a mostly neutral stance on criticism, the title is a bit misleading to me. (DA's title limit lengths I guess.) "Why living off criticism is a trap." would fit it better. Or even better, "Why criticism is needed, but not a replacement for learning and study."
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R4ttus [2012-03-25 07:22:36 +0000 UTC]
Thank you for posting this! I go to an art school now, but before it I was at any regular school where I really couldn't get help. So I decided to learn and improve myself by studying various books and I enjoyed finding my own improvements. Though when I get criticism I don't usually enjoy it unless it is from a teacher or a student above me, which is considered snobby to some.
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Mehen [2012-03-25 05:49:28 +0000 UTC]
This is amazingly well written and very true, however I'm curious.
What about artists who aren't entirely interested in improving because they're artists because they enjoy making art, and want to improve at their own pace if they're going to improve at all from where they are. Is it foolish or wrong of them to not want criticism on their work, or since they don't have an ultimate goal of improvement set for themselves is it acceptable?
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333hf333 In reply to Mehen [2012-03-25 07:06:40 +0000 UTC]
It's normal to want to work by yourself, it is possible, but it's better to accept criticism.
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Mehen In reply to 333hf333 [2012-03-25 07:17:46 +0000 UTC]
But again, the goal wouldn't be to improve, the goal is simply to draw and have fun drawing.
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