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Xiao-Fury In reply to KaiserTwig [2008-02-09 13:18:46 +0000 UTC]

i think the stand here is that abortion is murder period.

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KaiserTwig In reply to Xiao-Fury [2008-02-09 22:45:16 +0000 UTC]

I think that's rather obvious from first glance. As much as I disagree with the pro-life stance, I can appreciate art, and this is certainly art.

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Xiao-Fury In reply to KaiserTwig [2008-02-09 23:53:43 +0000 UTC]

ok then...

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Xiao-Fury In reply to BibleSongsForSatan [2008-02-08 05:15:01 +0000 UTC]

This isn't to blame the artist, this is to show ppl how sick abortion really is.

Maybe if ppl would stand up against abortion, one could avoid drawing pictures like this, wouldn't you say?

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PatGoltz In reply to BibleSongsForSatan [2006-11-01 11:54:37 +0000 UTC]

This is a picture of a living baby, not a dead one. If your conscience is bothering you, please get some help. If you want to talk, I'm here for you. We need to let the world know what is going on. Be angry with the people who kill babies, not the people who call your attention to it.

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BibleSongsForSatan In reply to PatGoltz [2006-11-28 21:47:04 +0000 UTC]

im pro choice. my choncies is not bothering me and i do not need help. i just find this terrably offencive. even if it is a living baby (because obviously they wouldent just take pictured of dead babies for "art") its still disgusting. you wouldent post graphic pictures of rape because we need to let the world know. that is no excuse for this abomination.
and its called a fetus, not a baby. if somebody where to kill a baby id flip. but children die in the womb all the time. and yes, its "natural" but there are so many children out there with broken homes or no family who need love and nurture too. but i guess its ok to let them fade away because they arent babies. at what age do we stop caring about children?
this world is a terrable place for a child and grosely over populated.

all that aside this is still a disgusting and offencive picture.

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Zeros-Shift In reply to BibleSongsForSatan [2008-02-08 21:24:57 +0000 UTC]

The Rape analogy doesn't fit, there isn't a large group of individuals who would call themselves "Pro Rape" and should therefore be opposed.

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PatGoltz In reply to BibleSongsForSatan [2006-11-29 09:01:36 +0000 UTC]

If you ever DO need help, I'll be here. Of course, you're not entitled to a guarantee you'll never be offended. I find ABORTION HIGHLY offensive.

The word "fetus" is just Latin for "baby" so what's your problem? Using the word "fetus" just a propaganda technique. And if people die a natural death, that still doesn't justify violence. At what age do I stop caring about children? I never do!

I used to think we had a population explosion. I changed my mind. We are suffering some serious consequences from a population IMplosion at this point. I can support my view, but it probably is a pointless discussion.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts, or actions that are violent.

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BibleSongsForSatan In reply to PatGoltz [2006-11-30 21:16:47 +0000 UTC]

"fetus" is not a propaganda technique. yes, it is latian for baby but in out current world its a term for an unborn baby. any textbook would tell you so. that just what heppens with words in time.

Implosion how?

"You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts, or actions that are violent."
just for the record, i am not a voilent person. and i wasnt running my mouth off with "personal facts". but aside from that i agree.

and youre right, this is probably a pointless conversation because this is a very touchy conversation to have. and with such a conversation as this your first reaction to the subject is usuialy the one that sticks. im not trying to change your mind, and i can see why you would be offended by abortions.
but try an understand. thoes who do get abortions dont parade it around. they arent proud, impressed, or happy with themselves. its not an easy decision to make, especialy once you can already feel your child inside you. but they do it in private and they dont force others to follow in there decisions.

i dunno what else to say so ill just leave it at that.

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Xiao-Fury In reply to BibleSongsForSatan [2008-02-08 05:10:38 +0000 UTC]

The life in the womb consist of both the parents DNA. You destroy that, then you just destroyed the child.

No matter what stage of life the baby is at, abortion is what it is. Murder.

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PatGoltz In reply to BibleSongsForSatan [2006-12-01 13:25:13 +0000 UTC]

The word "fetus" itself isn't a propaganda technique. It is being used to flummox people.

The number of children per woman in the industrialized countries is way be long replacement level. That's what I mean by a population implosion. In Europe, they have had to import workers because of this, and most of the workers are Muslims, who are having large families. The European countries won't let the workers become citizens or vote. They're hung either way. If they don't, the workers will be angry (and there is increasing violence) but if they do, the Muslims will use the vote to change their way of life. In the United States, Mexican workers are filling much the same role.

That's what I mean by a population implosion.

I realize you don't view yourself as a violent person. However, abortion is a form of violence. I realize women don't parade it around, and I know why. If it is such a difficult decision to make, there is something wrong. If abortion is acceptable, the decision wouldn't be hard. I have worked with many women who have had abortions and are suffering emotional consequences. Many times they aren't even willing to admit to themselves how they feel, for a long time, and then they think they are all alone. Often, as far as family and friends are concerned, they are. So I try to be there for them. If a woman can feel her child, why would she want to harm her baby? Most women don't. They feel compelled. Most abortions, however, are done before the woman can feel movement. That doesn't make it any easier, though.

OK, I appreciate the increasing civility of this conversation. Take care.

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himynameiznate In reply to ghost-brain [2004-09-30 02:20:03 +0000 UTC]

If you dont like the word child, then I wont use it. However, I dont like the word fetus. Lets just agree on a technical term that can be proven: "innocent, living human being" :

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himynameiznate In reply to ghost-brain [2004-09-30 02:18:13 +0000 UTC]

And if you dont like the word child, then I dont like the word fetus. Lets just agree on "innocent, living human being"

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himynameiznate In reply to ghost-brain [2004-09-30 02:10:08 +0000 UTC]

Actually, in California, unless the laws were changed recently, its up to 24 weeks, no questions asked.

Also, up to the minute of birth if there is a health risk, which has been defined by the supreme court as physical, emotional, psychological, or social.

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