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(I'll probably scrap this later. I just want everyone to see it, so that I can get some extra critiques.)So, I've started to draw out some designs for characters I plan to integrate into RAG as I mentionned I would in my journal. Here's Lilith, the Queen of Debauchery.
Lilith is supposedly Adam's first wife. After a dispute with the latter, she rejected him, leaving him for the demon Asmodeus (or Asmodai). From this demon, she bore the Lilins, night spirits. Later, three angels were sent to bring her back to Heaven because of Adam's pleas. However, she did not desire to return to paradise or to the path of God. As such, the angels swore to kill one hundred of her children each day that she strayed from the path of righteousness. After the slaughtering of the Lilins had begun, Lilith set out to steal the descendants of Adam and Eve to avenge her fallen offspring, and so did the Lilin.
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Yeah, uh, I know this is nothing spectacular. In fact it's so horribly smudged that the paper looks really dirty. I didn't really clean it up in Photoshop either, only attempted to remove a fold in the paper (I draw on old sketches!).
EDIT: I forgot to mention that she's gonna have a very vast wardrobe and multiple hairstyles >_> Tough.
CRITIQUES ARE WANTED O_O WANTED!!! ESPECIALLY FROM THOSE WHO NEVER CRITIQUE, EVER! Take this as a sort of... practice session or something. NO MINDLESS GUSHING! DON'T SAY THE FIRST THING THAT COMES TO MIND! Journal on the Art of Commenting can be found here: [link]
This is also up for inking practice. If you want to practice inking on this, send me a note for a higher resolution file or something (or just this file, I dunno), and I'll see what I can do.
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Approximate time: a few hours
Medium: HB + 3B pencils, Photoshop for nifty lines
Music: Various
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Enjoy and crit away!
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Comments: 43
Love her hair... though her body is a bit skinny....
I think overally this could've been very nice, but you could've put more time into the shading.... it's a bit.... ... I dunno, I guess not soft enough.... plus the little ball thing on the left side of her head looks a bit... awkward...
it's very though... good job...
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Yes, I'm aware that it's nothing extraordinary. It was merely meant for character design purposes. Also, if you meant the ball things on both sides of her head, they're rolls of hair. I don't quite know what you mean by 'awkward' though, mind elaborating or giving suggestions on it? It always helps if you explain.
Oh, and I know about the thinness of the character. It's probably the crit that came back the most 
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yeah dat's wat I meant.. the rolls on the sides of her head...
I dunno, like I mean the roll on the right... it seems... spherical.... but the one on the left, like when I look at it, somehow I can imagine it being one side of a CYLINDER that's sticking through her head to the other side except the other side it a sphere... it's hard to explain... if you don't get it it's quite all right... it's nothing big anyways...
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Well... *cracks knuckles* I will quibble... Her waist is awkwardly thin, especially where the back curves under the bosom. 'Mm... dp you see what I mean?
Then again, it is just a sketch. ^^
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I admit the waist is thin. That's something I'll probably be getting the rest of my life if I keep drawing women
My excuse in this case will be that she's wearing a corset, which makes waists look thinner than usual! (Smart, huh? *ahem*) But despite that, it's still a sort of mistake. I'll try to work on it.
Well, thanks for noticing
See? It didn't offend me like you feared (you said something about being afraid of insulting the artist when you critique in my journal entry on critiquing). Keep critiquing!
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hey, I think it's really good. you have a lot of great shading and the depth on her upper body, it's incredible. It looks like you may have made her mid body a lil flat and skinny though. I think you should broadened her waist and hips just a lil ....ummm actually looking at it again it looks fine, great job!
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No no, you're completely right about the thinness of the hips (since she supposedly gave birth to all those Lilins, her hips should be a bit more feminin and large). I think the waist is alright though, since it characterizes my style (+ she's wearing a corset! XD).
Thanks!
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oh ok 
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Just using the style excuse isn't the right thing to do though. I don't know why I just said it that day >_> Styles should never be an excuse for anatomical failure. I must've been tired from work!
Anyway, to give you a more proper answer, you're probably right about the thinness of the waist. I have trouble making it look more realistic, so I call it a style
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I have agree with ~rei-chan here, if one of her principale caracteristic is her feminity/motherhood/children, her hips will have to be larger. I know you made special efforts for her chest though and trully it works well with her caracter. Just on a note.. was Lilith the sorta S&M-leather costumed woman, wife of Lucifer of a sort if I remember well, that you drew in german class back at the begginning of first session? It was about the first drawing I saw you make through but never saw it anywhere else.
The other thing is the cloth in her hands, she seems more like carressing the spikes than holding a maniable light cloth. For maximum dark sensuality, thing big, thick, obvious fight between curves and spikes, with rich black and white and red.
I love the hair and dress-up. Great shading job on those! Interesting caracter concept as well. ^^
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Huh? When did I draw a leather-costumed wife of Lucifer? o_o Never did! XD And, if you're wondering about the Lucifer that I drew... I didn't like it anymore after I saw Kaori Yuki's version of him XD (but that was in French class, 2nd semester...) Anyway, in my version of the tale, Lilith won't be the bride of Lucifer. In fact, he will be the only one that she can't manage to seduce. (That tells a lot, huh? 
I agree with both you and ~rei-chan on the size of the hips. As I told her just a second ago, I noticed it as well, but was unable to change it for fear of dirtying the paper too much.
I don't know what spikes you're talking about though. She's not holding any spikes, unless you're talking about the pointiness of the fabric? I'm thinking it'll be a sort of paper-ish cloth, ever felt one of those? They're kind of hard ^^
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Yes you did! Okay, maybe she wasn't his bride, but, ugh, we were arguing about what kind of hair to give her, and all? she had a corset and shoulder pads and general leather armor... I think there was a guy sitting on a chair/throne a little behind-beside her.
Yeah, i was talking about the fabric she's holding ^^ I have one long skirt that is made out of that sort of paperish, but it have a lot more wrinkles then, especially if you are moving in it. (Hm, I'm thinking of the possible use of the filtrer 'grain' to have the wrinkled feel.. I'm such a toshop dork ¬_¬).
Anyway, glad to see you develloping such interesting caracters!
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Hm... I always heard the story as...
Lilith was born from Adam's head, like Eve was born from Adam's rib later. Coming from his head, Lilith had the mentality that she was not only equal to Adam, but was actually above him. God banishes her to Hell, and creates Eve instead.
Same thing, but different. Idunno if the rest of your story happens or not.
SO yeah, about hte pic. I think that Lilith looks pretty thin for someone who bears all those Lilins. I think she'd have a more dramatic effect if her physical appearance was a bit thicker. I like the way you drew her face, though, and the hairstyle is awesome. Nice work! ^_^
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Well, I didn't really read on how she was created, but the version I heard of the story tells that during the 'act' (ahem), Adam wanted to be on top because he thought he was superior while Lilith also wanted that position, so they got into a fight in which she left him and cheated with Asmodeus.
It's pretty much the same except that in this version she doesn't really get banished because Adam still desires her.
You're absolutely right about the thickness of her hips by the way. I noticed that as well, but since I'd already pencil shaded so much of it, it would have ruined the image to modify it.
Thanks for the critique!
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I like the shading and I think this is a very beautiful picture.
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She just needs more of a hips and ass type thing going... o-o; She looks like a barbie with a corset on. XD *pets* Looks good otherwise.
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Yep, you're right about the hips. I haven't drawn full bodied women in a while, but I'm working on it
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No problem. I always relish in crits... XD I can't figure out jack for myself.
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my favorite type of media, you know you should do more drawings in pencil.
the only crits i can give involve the shading. you did a really good job shading but there are spots that should/could be a little darker with respect to the angle of light (unless there is more then one light source then disregard entirely)
the cast shadow that appears on her hair due to her body could use a little darkening
and the dress (if it turns out to be a greyish black color) needs a little more darkness in the shading, but if it is white or any other bright color it is more than adequate.
i hope i was some help.
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I only thought of one lightsource for this, so your crit on shading is completely valid. I got a bit lazy and only passed the 3B pencil on the hair and certain areas, disregarding others completely. I guess that didn't pay off!
The dress color is a light grey, which explains why it isn't overly shaded like the corset and hair.
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yay i noticed something that was of some validity.
since i found something to crit and was of some help,
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The contrast is great. the white of her pale skin, the deep black that exists in her corset, they both just play off eachother so well. also the grey of the dress acts like a bridge between the two extremes unifying the whole picture.
so when do we get to see a lilin? hah lilin said with a southern accent sounds like southern slang for little one, lilin, lil' un, lilin, lil' un. okay i'm done now
(i only brought thats up because my friend has a deep southern accent and that is how he pronounced it)
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I don't quite have a design for the Lilin yet, so it might be a while till you see them
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nice sketch you did here Ikeda ^^ I really like how you darkened the character's face to give her a mysterious aura. You could try working more on her hair, though. Try seperatating random strands of hair here and there with both big and small spaces to make her hair look more flowy.
You did a good job on the shading and such, but there could be more areas that you can darken more like you did on the top of her hair.
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There were separated strands in the unshaded version, but I guess I should have darkened the lineart to make them more visible.
You're completely right about the shading too. I got lazy with the 3B pencil and only passed it on certain areas, such as the hair
Thanks for taking the time to observe!
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I feel bad when critiquing >.<
I really like the picture, overall. It's well drawn and well shaded on top of that. (Although the shadin could be bette. But! I know this just a sketch)
I can see that people might have problems with the hair. Like is some parts were glued together, flying in the air.
Anyway, that's all I guess ^^ Overall superb job!
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I think the problem you have with critiquing is that you think you're insulting the art or the artist. Critiquing isn't made to be an insult; it's a way of helping people to improve by pointing out mistakes that could be worked on. With that in mind, you should be able to comment contructively without guilt in mind.
Although you pointed out that the shading could be better, I would have liked it that you told me how exactly it could be better. In other words, what was wrong with it
You're right about the hair though. In the unshaded version, the lines that separated the hair strands were visible, but after I shade, I forgot to darken the lineart, which caused them to disappear and make the hair a big crumpled piece. I'll work harder on that next time
Keep critiquing!
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Well I came accross your pic. You said no mindless gushing, so here it goes.
Although the pic is great and I enjoy the gradient on it here right hand doesn't have enough showing detail. At first glance it looks like a hook. I have no place to judge, but you said you wanted critique.
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I wouldn't really call it judging, more like voicing an opinion - or something of the like. As long as it's well based, there's nothing wrong with saying what you think of a pic (as long as you give a plausible reason to why you think in such a way).
I think that the reason the right hand looks like a hook is that only 2 fingers and a thumb are showing. The rest are hidden behind the cloth she's holding. I wouldn't really compare it to a hook, but I think that I see what you mean. The joints might be a bit contracted or stiff, making it seem a bit irregular. I'll work on that in my future pics
Thanks for taking the time to crit!
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No problem. Anime is wierd, because even pro's work looks funny sometimes.
The right hand didn't even look that bad, but it was the only thing I could find that looked a little off.
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I like the smudging. Mainly because it DOES
make the paper look dirty, but thats what
enhances the story behind her. I mean, her
children are night spirits, right? So hence the
darkness. It also looks good how her dress
fades towards the bottom, though her hair
could stand to be darker and more evenly
wind-tossed.
X3; Otherwise, looks great.
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Thank you thank you thank you for actually telling me WHY the smudge looks good! Most times, people only say something looks great, but without half a bit of detail, which leads me to believe they just wrote it without thinking twice. Thanks again
You're right about the hair though. The strands were visible after I'd drawn the lineart, but I didn't take the time to retrace the lines when I was done shading, which explains their disappearance. Also, I got lazy with the 3B pencil, so only the bangs are really well shaded.
Thanks for taking the time to observe!
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n_n Eheh, well I know how that goes. With the
vagueness.
You art is a pleasure to observe. 
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Very lovely concept..^^ I love her hair and outfit!!
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Goodness gracious me!
What a fearsome character, gave me goosebumps all over!
The faint vertical lines are a nice touch, how'd you do that?
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Ack, I forgot to mention that I used Photoshop to give it some neat effects, my bad. I'll edit right away! o_o Thanks for asking or I never would have realized!
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She looks somewhat dark and mysterious. I like that, this is very nice. It is smudged some, I can clearly tell, but it looks nice anyway. The smudged areas give it a nice effect. That's just me though. If you were to clean it up it would still be a wonderful piece.
Anyway, good job! The only problem I can really see is that she is a little too skinny. Put some meat on that poor twig. (lol)
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I also think the smudgy-ness adds something to it
Thanks for taking the time to point out the thinness of the character. Drawing 'normal' people has always been a problem with me. I'm simply unable to do it and have it look right in my mind ^_^;; I'll work on it though.
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very unique, i really like her clothing...amazing job!
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