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Sensthepunmistress [2017-08-10 23:48:02 +0000 UTC]
If Venus was terraformed, it would retain the thick atmosphere, humans would need breathing assistance. (too thick) but it would be clear enough for sunlight to hit the surface and have a very thick ozone layer. This would also mean tornadoes, hurricanes and average storms would be very powerful. This means life would need to adapt to using the wild jetstreams and survive the Volcanic areas that replenish the very thick ozone. In a way Venus would be a tropical world with a very wrathful atmosphere.
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Ittiz In reply to Sensthepunmistress [2017-08-15 23:17:35 +0000 UTC]
Maybe, depends on how your terraform it. My images usually go on a simple assumption, STP at ground level. The way you'd get this on Venus would be to introduce vast amounts of hydrogen, probably from the sun. React it with the CO2 using large amounts of zinc as a catalyst making vast amounts of water and graphite. Some of that water could then be split to make oxygen. If you did this you'd get an ocean that takes up 80% or so of the land surface of Venus. I assume that's not the case, people need to breathe after all.
On a side note, thick atmospheres tend to retain heat, not good for Venus. To make it sustainable it would need to have a thin earth like atmosphere. Mars and worlds further out would do good to have a thick atmosphere.
Anyway, I've been playing around with a terraformed Mercury, seems difficult to me, maybe you can throw me some good ideas?
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Sensthepunmistress In reply to Ittiz [2017-08-15 23:29:36 +0000 UTC]
Mercury may need a continuous terraformer to remain a livable world.
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Ittiz In reply to Sensthepunmistress [2017-08-22 01:03:30 +0000 UTC]
Well, all worlds need to be continuously terraformed to be livable, but on Earth life accomplishes that function. The question is whether the same can be accomplished on mercury, or if you'd need nonorganic mechanisms to accomplish it. I'm leaning towards "life can do the job" but would need to be carefully engineered.
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Sensthepunmistress In reply to Ittiz [2017-08-22 01:07:50 +0000 UTC]
It depends, you need to keep the atmosphere pretty thick and convert the upper layer into a slightly thicker ozone allowing normal levels of UV and Heat to reach to surface without frying the surface again. but it has to be thicker then earth life can handle without assistance due to proximity to the sun.
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Twilightwindwaker777 [2016-09-04 03:44:10 +0000 UTC]
I think back then people thought Venus was habitable.
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darthfury78 [2016-01-04 21:19:53 +0000 UTC]
To make the process successful, they would have to make The planet Mercury as Venus moon to stabilize its rotation.
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Ittiz In reply to darthfury78 [2016-01-07 00:30:18 +0000 UTC]
Ironically I've thought of that and once they have a good enough topo map of Mercury I intend to make such a picture. However, with the proper bioengineering I don't think it's required. Also we'd have to be really super advanced to move a planet, but my thoughts were to move Mercury to Venus and Ceres to Mars if we could. Both Venus and Mercury (has Mars' surface gravity due to it's high density) would be terraformable. I intend to eventually make two images of Mercury, one terraformed in it's current location and one with Venus.
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darthfury78 In reply to Ittiz [2018-04-08 07:20:51 +0000 UTC]
I think that the best way to terraform Venus is to move the planet away from the Sun by having the it reside in Earth's orbit(w/ Mercury as its satellite). In turn, Earth and its Moon would be placed half the distance that it takes to reach Mars by 3 months instead of 6 months. This would solve Earth's global warming crisis. If Venus is placed in Earth current orbit, it can rid itself of its CO2 clouds because the farther away from the Sun, the faster its rotation, meaning that it might begin a 24hr rotation on its axis. Currently, Venus it tidal locked with the Sun, which explains its slow rotation. In its new position, with Mercury as its moon, Venus might be able to produce a strong magnetic field, that would make it possible for plant life to grow as it can reduce the CO2 to form Oxygen and Nitrogen base atmosphere. In essence, Venus would be able to terraform itself.
With Mars, the reason for its current state is because it lacks a large Moon, like Earth's Luna Moon. If Jupiter's moon Io can be brought to Mars, the planet would be able to strengthen its Magnetic field and double it surface pressure. In a sense, Mars would be able to terraform itself.
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FunnelVortex [2014-11-12 05:40:12 +0000 UTC]
The problems with terraforming Venus is that you would have to blast away the old atmosphere and replace it, and then speed up the planet's rotation.
No doubt Venus would be one of the hardest and longest planets to terraform.
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Ittiz In reply to FunnelVortex [2014-11-13 14:16:07 +0000 UTC]
I'd contend you wouldn't need to speed the rotation up. Although I agree it would probably be the hardest viable planet in the solar system to terraform. Though all the resources are there altering them them enough to transform the planet would be extremely difficult.
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admiralnatsilane In reply to Ittiz [2019-05-11 02:42:53 +0000 UTC]
One could potentially fund the effort to terraform Venus by using all that carbon dioxide as a feedstock for producing various nanostructured carbon compounds for space habitats, space elevators, orbital ring systems, solar sails and energy collectors, and spaceship hulls and use the excess nitrogen to synthesize fertilizers and breathing gas for other terraformed planets and space habitats. The energy for the terraforming process and associated industries can be generated by placing a combination of a large thin-sheet solar panel and a Dyson-Harrop satellite at the Venus-Sun L1 point-- which also serves the purpose of cooling Venus via a permanent total solar eclipse. Solar wind collectors for their part could serve as a substitute magnetosphere while providing energy for various heavy industries and collecting hydrogen to react with carbon dioxide to produce water and carbon nanomaterials.
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FunnelVortex In reply to Ittiz [2014-11-13 14:27:24 +0000 UTC]
First you need to get rid of Venus' crappy atmosphere. You would have to get rid of it completley and replace it with a new one. THAT there would be the most difficult challenge.
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Ittiz In reply to FunnelVortex [2014-11-14 12:43:22 +0000 UTC]
Well there are many ways to "skin a cat" as they say. Probably the easiest method would be add a ton of hydrogen to the planet. At Venus' high temps it would react with the CO2 making water and graphite which would settle to the surface. Once the atmosphere got thin enough you could start to convert some of that water to oxygen using plants.
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FunnelVortex In reply to Ittiz [2014-11-15 18:36:44 +0000 UTC]
What would you do wih all that graphite and sulfur and stuff that sinks to the surface?
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RampantMouse In reply to Ittiz [2016-05-09 03:36:26 +0000 UTC]
You would also have to fill the atmosphere with about 78% Nitrogen, assuming you want an atmosphere just like Earth's, and bring down the CO2 to about 0.040%. You could probably use the graphite in the soil.
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Ittiz In reply to RampantMouse [2016-05-09 16:47:10 +0000 UTC]
Venus' atmosphere has over three times the amount of nitrogen as earth's atmosphere. So you'd probably have to remove most of it some how.
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TrainEngie [2013-10-02 22:34:46 +0000 UTC]
One long hot day, one long night...
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Anarloth [2011-01-16 20:11:58 +0000 UTC]
Waw! Good work!
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Ittiz In reply to Anarloth [2011-01-16 20:57:23 +0000 UTC]
That is an old one, you should check out my newer one: [link]
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Anarloth In reply to Ittiz [2011-01-16 21:01:44 +0000 UTC]
The newer is very beautiful too!
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Ittiz In reply to DJNightRunner [2010-11-26 04:34:08 +0000 UTC]
Thanks, look at my newest one: [link] If not capitalist what kind of system do you propose; mutualist?
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DJNightRunner In reply to Ittiz [2010-11-26 06:09:38 +0000 UTC]
Nah not mutualism lol. I have come to learn that a Monetary society/Civilization was put in place to control the masses, it is easily corruptable and not good for the people as it divides societies, causes chaos, creates greed and loss of our and multi species respect... I just think a free society that is dedicated to teaching care, respect, sharing, forgiving, learning mistakes, working together, race mixing (More intelligent), Real defence and protection (Not how the governments use that phrase)... Also the use of all safe and free energy use... OH and the Terraformation of our solar system ... Now you see in a capitalist civilization, we are held back by money and there for unable to expand and grow quicker, unable to learn quicker, we would be so advanced if we became a Resourceful race of beings, So I am a Resourcefulist ... Respect
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Ittiz In reply to DJNightRunner [2010-11-26 17:23:48 +0000 UTC]
You mean like the society in Startrek? The unfortunate thing is people are selfish in general so you either need something like money to drive them or have a non-free society where they are forced to "do the right thing."
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DJNightRunner In reply to Ittiz [2010-11-26 18:30:20 +0000 UTC]
You are too right there man, that is the unfortunate thing :/ I hate to say it as I come across as an evil asshole to people in this day n age lol but quite bluntly, there are too many people, mass population creates division and chaos, we have exploded in population within the last 200 years from 2 billion to 7 Billion and soon to be 9-10 Billion within the next 10-20 years, that is a HUGE number of people on this small planet that can barely support the random animals that inhabit it. - About the society in Startrek, They have quite a bit of Ethical and Philosophical problems i.e. Pulling rank because they are a high ranking officer, that is the wrong way to go about making important decisions, I do not agree on military or government ranks, it is a dictatorship, what I reckon we need is a central leader with no actual powers but a person the masses look to as the most intelligent all rounded trustworthy person to guide the people and a secondary council of mathmatians, Scientists & Philosophers to aid in the decisions aswell. We must advance our understanding and problem solving of everything we come across, we must become philosophical, Resourceful, Practical, Knowledgeable, Caring and sharing of all. We must advance as much as possible otherwise we are just another primitive animal species that will die out without even a wimper to other possible intelligences. It seems impossible, but I see it as if I can think like that then others can. I am still thinking over ways we could change into this civilization, still thinking of the right ethical ways to go about life, its all extremely complicated but extremely worth it in the end because everyone will be happy with life, everyone equal, everyone gladly adding their assistance to society and the entire civilization as a whole, Instead of the slavery infested greedy ignorant capitalist 9 to 5 work way of life. We are mearly Sheep/Ants/Obedient Dogs/Zombies etc etc... People unable to think for themselves properly, you know that phrase ''Your oppinion dosn't matter'' This is what the elitists have enforced upon us to keep us dumb down and controlable... I see it, I just wish others would, unlikely in my life time. I wish I could survive long enough to see it happen but its a hope lost on the doubt and capabilities of our modern civilization :/... Such a damn shame man... Peace
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Ittiz In reply to DJNightRunner [2010-11-27 01:39:27 +0000 UTC]
Well star fleet was military. The civilians lived under a moneyless altruistic society, at least in the federation. In the movie Star Trek: First Contact Picard gives a short description of how their society works.
Every once in a while a leader comes along who can move the masses with his words (Genghis Khan, Napoleon). The problem is they die, then their governments end. I believe capitalism can get us there, and an exploding population will help. Capitalism is driven by people's needs and other's ability to fill those needs. When the population is huge and the Earth is crowded more space will be needed and there is all the space we need in space. As I like to say the growing population will become a shrinking problem as technology advances. Look at it this way, with the technology we had 100 years ago even with all the land there would have been no way to feed everyone if the Earth's population was what it is today.
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Quanto [2010-06-26 00:24:55 +0000 UTC]
It would take at least 1000 years of work I think. Using genetically engineered life-forms specifically tailored to create an ecosystem within a short time-frame. I think a biological invasion of the planet using special microbes would be the best way to change the atmosphere to one usable. The other challenge would be speeding the day up to 24 hours or less. As it stands now, Venus' day is longer than her year.
Also, as a finished Venus, I suspect that there would be no snow at all, even at the polar caps. And the equator would be uninhabitable no matter the time of year. The temperate zones of the planet would posses a tropical climate, the equator would be a still be an oven, and the poles would probably have a temperate climate like the Northeastern US.
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Ittiz In reply to Quanto [2010-06-27 01:37:59 +0000 UTC]
My image depicts the planet with the same slow rotation it has now. Current theories predict that super rotation of the atmosphere (depicted by the chevron shaped clouds) would even out the temperature from the day and night sides of the planet, as it does today. Despite it's super slow rotation Venus has the most uniform surface temperature of any terrestrial planet.
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cookiesnmilk [2009-08-09 17:45:36 +0000 UTC]
nice (:
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sabbth [2009-08-06 18:28:24 +0000 UTC]
and how soon do you think this will happen???, and what kind of life forms will be thriving there???
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Ittiz In reply to sabbth [2009-08-06 18:40:03 +0000 UTC]
No clue on that one, whenever someone has the will and manpower I guess. I think that the plants able to survive there would be deciduous ones that could drop their leaves for the long night time. Although they wouldn't necessarily need to be cold tolerant since atmospheric super-rotation should keep both sides of the planet somewhat temperature stable. As for animals I don't know, some that hibernate and others that can see in the dark really well since Venus has no moon.
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sabbth In reply to Ittiz [2009-08-06 18:41:41 +0000 UTC]
ah cool!!
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