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Published: 2008-09-03 22:25:52 +0000 UTC; Views: 6359; Favourites: 220; Downloads: 16
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Originally made bySo stop bashing and flaming them!!!
Ok seriously.... This subject is begining to get on my nerves lately. e___e; People... Mary Sues are still OC's. And you should treat them with same respect, as you do to other OC's. Sure thier storys may not be as good as others, but you have to give them time to learn. Bashing someones OC and saying that they are "Mary Sues" is just as bad as bashing someones art for not being so good. You have to give the artist time to get better. And maybe some advice. :3 IF they ask for it.
I'm not a big fan of Mary Sues myself, BUT I do not bash or the flame them. Its wrong. Almost all my characters at the beging seemed VERY Mary Sue, but over time I changed that. And now they are very likeable characters. ((I still think a couple of them are Mary Sues. XD; )) But there are some cases where the artist cant help, but to make thier character a little mary sue-ish.
So come on people. Be a little more nice to the mary-sues, and give them time. ^__^
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Marysues can learn by changing into regular OCs.
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ew-fnaf-ocs.tumblr.com/post/11β¦ Β Β some girl who thought constructive critisism was bullyingΒ
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YES
I KNOW THAT ONE
I GOT BLOCKED BY HER AND RIOLU FOR TRYING TO REASON WITH HER.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF HER OTHER FRIENDS KNOW THOUGH, BUT THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE NICE.
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I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE
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NOPE
SHE'S REALLY RUDE, BUT I LIKE HER ART...
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YAY
IKR. HER ART IS REALLY GOOD BUT SHE'S RUDE
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lol, she's a bitch. forget about her
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I WANT TO COMPLIMENT IT, BUT NUMBER ONE, SHE BLOCKED ME, AND NUMBER TWO, SHE'D BE LIKE "AIN'T YOU THE JERKFACE THAT CALLED MY OCEEE A MARI SUI FOR NO REASON?!"
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IKR. HER OC IS BASICALLY A GENDERBENT TO MUCH HAIR NEON BOOBED PUPPET
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THAT LOVES PUPPET TOO
I MADE A PUPPET SUE OC A WHILE AGO. I WANT TO MAKE MAJOR CHANGES TO THAT CHARACTER. VERY.
HERE'S A LINK TO HER BIO.
.-. First OC I showed on the internet. I have better ones I've never posted.
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I SAW. GLAD YE WANT TO IMPROVE UNLIKE HER
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I'm also not a big fan of mary sues (except in parodies: D) But I do anyone for zuflamen directly. Because there are enough people who do not do this on purpose, but still are new at something, and those flamerei or worse a slating of history can extremely hurt you (And I have the latter's own physical ...
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Agreed completely. I know some of my characters may have mary sueish qualities but you know what? I'm working on them, it's not an easy process that's for sure to make likeable characters but hey practice makes better right? ^^ We've all started out with mary-sues/gary stus at some point or some of us writers anyway have.
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I agree but the last time i made contact with a sue creator Β (which was yesterday) didnt go so well at all,i explained to her that her oc is not perfect and not all love her, and at the end she said she doesnt listen to haters and i was like Β expressing yourself= hater? Β and then she blocked me
To tell the truth i kinda feel quilty, i didnt bash on her or call her names or be extremely rude to her, and yet still i got blocked
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Yes. That is what I try to portray in my fanfictions; they can improve. It isn't impossible. Even if a couple of my OCs are half god or goddess or something, I always make their other half human, and the ordinary human always seeks ways of improvement for themselves.Β
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They DO can change/Learn, but some simply don't want to hear your advices :/
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I've heard that the mentions system might not be working properly, so let me do this manually:
Your wonderful stamp has been featured here .
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True. All characters can be made better, with a little work. Some might take more than that, though.
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Very well put! I definitely love this stamp.
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" Mary Sues are still OC's. And you should treat them with same respect, as you do to other OC's."
No respect then. Respect is earned, not given, hence i do not respect Mary Sues.
"You have to give the artist time to get better. And maybe some advice"
Except that the first step in changing a problem is people admitting they have a problem, which no one who has ever created a Mary Sue has ever done. Instead they go all Fanbrat & pretend that its everyone else who has the problem... Because MAry Sue's cannot in fact learn.
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"Except that the first step in changing a problem is people admitting they have a problem, which no one who has ever created a Mary Sue has ever done."
Except tons of people have done exactly this...so you're totally wrong. You're only talking about the stubborn writers who don't like to hear criticism. Those do exist, but they're not literally everyone who's ever created a Mary Sue.
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"Except tons of people have done exactly this...so you're totally wrong."
No they haven't. You cannot help someone who create mary sues.
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And you cannot help whiny critics with heads up the bums.
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Tell that to the tons of writers who started out with Mary Sue characters and improved by actually learning how to construct proper characters and plotlines. Take an actual look at the comments on this stamp.
Seriously, don't be a dick and just blanket statement everything. It doesn't make you look smart. It just makes you look like a person who doesn't think.
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I'm sorry but its a fact of writing.... You cannot teach a writer of Mary Sues not to write Mary sues. all you can do is to hope that at sometime they take a break from the medium, take some time, come back at a later date & realise how shockingly bad their old Mary sues are... Because you'll never convince a writer that there Mary Sue is a Mary Sue.
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"its a fact of writing"? And where did you learn this? Where is the proof of this other than a few whiny brats you might have encountered i the past? Who died and suddenly made you the guru of all writing just because you happen to be jaded? That's not a fact, because not every writer is the same. Yes, some amateur writers do have to take a break from the medium in order to realize how bad they are, but others learn through experience not to be shitty writers. Writers don't just magically one day go from thinking they're a gift from God and then going, "Wow, my stuff is really shitty.", which is what you're basically saying is what happens to all of them. I'm sorry, but you're wrong. I've seen living proof of how wrong you are, whereas you probably don't leave your bubble long enough to prove anything.
What's really particularly sad about your opinion is that I look at your gallery, and realize that you yourself have a shitload of growing to do, so I really don't think you have much of a leg to stand on by calling anybody an amateur and saying "hurr, I know how 2 make dem mary sue creat0rz improbe". By your logic, I should look at your drawings as they are right now, and basically say to you, "You draw like a ten-year-old who just discovered Angelina Jolie. All your women have giant heads, balloon tits, lousy, stiff anatomy and pillow lips, you should just stop drawing. Then come back maybe a year or so later, look at your art and realize how shit you were. That will make you draw better." Does that even remotely make any sense to you? Of course it doesn't. It's encouraging people to quit, not improve. You improve through actual criticism, work, and experience.
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Oh wow, he blocked me. Surprise surprise.
Hahaha, I figured you'd say something like that. Can't back up anything you say or take the heat, so now you'll just sulk like a child and go, "Waaaah, you don't even have anything on your account, you're just a sock puppet/troll!". When, actually, I do what a lot of critics do. I may not have anything in my account, but I know bullshit when I smell it.
But, hey, I'm not surprised you decided to act exactly like what you assume every writer who creates a Mary Sue acts when they're called out.Β Bet it feels good to be everything you loathe, huh?
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Come back and see me once you've got your BA in literature, or heck even have a deviation in your account.... Or have an account that isn't a sock puppet for your previously banned account.
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Wow...That's just really wrong. The last part, anyways. See, at least 500 people on this site with decent OCs have created at least one Mary Sue, usually their first character. But you're assuming that if someone does something once, they'll do it again and again for the rest of their life.
Kind of reminds me of this girl from fourth grade. I hugged her once when she was sad to cheer her up and she decided that hugging was my favorite activity.Β
Anyways, people don't work that way. Yes, there are those who start to whine if you criticize them, and a lot of the time they have to toss out their character and start from scratch, Β but they can, in fact, learn.
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I think most people start with Mary Sues for OCs, and then when they learn more creativity, they take all the MS-ness away until they get a well flawed and thought out character.
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I agree,
I made a mary-sue when I was a kid, obviously back then I didn't know about mary-sues and since the internet wasn't used by me I didn't get flamed. But now I've grown up and learnt about balancing traits, etc.
So people CAN learn without being bashed, in fact I think bashing someone can easily ruin their internet experience and make them self concious about being original.
Though in saying that, there is the odd person who just doesn't grow up.
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i agree. sure, some characters can start out as mary-sues, but that's the beauty of character developement. some of my OCs started out a little like mary-sues, but over time, i developed some flaws for them to make them less like mary-sues.
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It's not that you should treat your characters as anything other than plot devices. I treat mine as plot devices, so I treat other characters as them as well.
As for the mary sues changing heart issue, I feel that if the author is willing to listen, people who are more experienced as writers should have them ask questions and provide useful feedback instead of just yelling at them. Constructive Criticism is your best friend, but don't take it too far
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It is not about the good of a story, but a fair created, ballanced character.What is so exiting about character all-powerful and all-knowing?I know people cant bear with their imperfect nature and they are almost always complaining about what they dont have.
But finding comfort about your lacks in characters, who get everything with no struggle at all, can be unhealthy, if you dont keep it in control.Life is a struggle.You just cant achieve something that easily.
And I still believe with more efforts from the authors Maru-sues can be repaired.Buty lets they be repaired indeed, not staying forever the way they are.I hope this wont be considered as a bashing.I would like my opinion to not be condemned as a flaming or hateful comment, right?I tried to pe polite.
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And some of them CAN'T learn.
I knew someone who was around long before I was but her characters stayed Sues. And by sues I mean they're high and mighty, perfect in all ways, SHHHHEXY and were paired w/ officials.
People don't flame the half the time, btw. They try to help the artist change their sue into a good character and the artist totally explodes and rallies up the White Knights. :/
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That's the problem that seems to come with attempting to help them flesh out their characters. They take personal offense. I'm like, It's just a CHARACTER why are you so attached to it?
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Too true. I mean, I even change my character Luca around. I don't GET upset w/ change. Those people just won't accept their character needs improvement :/
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Exactly. It's just a character, it shouldn't be a big deal.
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As a matter of fact I just changed her now. And I love the way she looks. If anyone's afraid of change, ESPECIALLY over an OC, you're going to get nowhere! :I
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It's very annoying when people call your character a Sue, but then don't give you any useful pointers. How else is someone supposed to improve the character?
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This stamp just might help everyone Lolz.
It's one thing if they're a prototype (which a lot of my OC's are), but if they're finished, then there's not really more to say (OTL)
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"Mary Sues are still OC's. And you should treat them with same respect, as you do to other OC's."
What, they're living people now? I don't have to respect any OC. I am well within my rights to bash the hell out of any character for any reason, even if I just want to act like a dick
In all seriousness, the Mary Sue herself isn't the one who needs to "learn"; it's the Sue's AUTHOR that needs to get a clue. With that in mind, you're right to an extent. The REAL problem is people who take offense to constructive criticism
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I agree.
Like, my Mary Sue Yami-Hikari (I know, fail-name...) started off her story as..... well, everything wrong with a sue except she doesnt have D-cups and a 5 inch waist. (She's not even the most developed girl in the story. 
But over time in the story, she, like, learns stuff. And becomes a more balanced character. And turns out to be batshi-crazy anyways, so it doesnt matter. XD
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I know it's old but:
You're talking about mary sues as if they're real. Mary sues CAN'T learn, because they're not real, they are not tangible. It's the author, the suethor, that has that ability.
And no, I will not give mary sues the same respect (the hell?) as OCs, because a mary sue is just a rotten OC. Why would I ever put a rotten OC on the same level as a well thought out one?
That doesn't mean I'll flame the suethor, of course. Everyone starts somewhere. (Granted, some are better than others.) It's normal wish fulfillment and pretty much everyone has had a mary sue or just a self insert at that point. Plus, I don't really hate mary sues, I enjoy making fun of them too much for that.
This is stamp is supposed to read as: Suethors CAN learn.
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This is an awesome stamp! You're absolutely right, they can improve, and everyone has to start somewhere, right?
I have loads and loads of OCs, and admittedly, now and then one takes on some Sue-like qualities. It happens. I usually catch it and try to fix it, but not always, and I hate being judged as a writer based only on my mistakes.
Now I'm no fan of Sues, but something I've noticed a lot of too is people using the term 'Mary Sue' to refer to a character they just don't like, which is, in a way, worse, because the almighty Sue-Alert-Hate-Hammer gets to bash any character, even those others think are good. I find this more irritating than the Sues themselves.
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I'll admit, I get testy towards some marysues especially when they ask f critique then get all pissy when someone gives it to them. But I agree with your statement. If we all just gave them a little bit of space, I think that some marysues really could learn. Though it's still fun to parody them I support this stamp 
If marysues could just be parodies and such and things left in the past, the interwebz could be a better place
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