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the-horse-lover In reply to AntlerCreek [2014-12-14 03:19:54 +0000 UTC]

Why, it's simply grabbing something from the ground... O.O

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Ga-Maleven In reply to the-horse-lover [2017-06-25 22:54:26 +0000 UTC]

German Shepherds, like most dog "breeds" are INCREDIBLY inbred. German Shepherds suffer from terrible spinal issues that give them "frog legs."

Here, I wrote about the genetic issue of dogs here to learn more. But it IS a very sad thing.

Pet Overpopulation, Dog Breeds, AKC, and PitbullsJust as  human overpopulation is real and is a serious issue, pet overpopulation of domesticated animals is also significant. In this journal we will discuss specifically dogs and cats for the other domesticated animals will be addressed in others. Dogs and cats have been domesticated by man originally for the purpose of hunting, dealing with pests, and protection. Over time as technology has improved pets have become family members to us, but to some they are simply there for a statement of wealth, that they "have" to have one to be normal, or as a means of making profit.
Dogs and cats have been bred so much that now there is a serious overpopulation problem. Puppy/kittenmills, backyard breeders, and pedigree breeders have continuously bred and sold cats and dogs despite there already being so many. Add that to the fact of strays who breed and people who simply le

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the-horse-lover In reply to Ga-Maleven [2017-06-27 17:36:17 +0000 UTC]

But from this photo you can't tell anything, that's my point, I'm more than well aware of the issues that run within the GSD.

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Ga-Maleven In reply to the-horse-lover [2017-06-27 18:05:09 +0000 UTC]

Well, it's really common in all GSDs, just some worse than others. So the original commenter probably was just pointing that out. Just like you can see what looks like a happy, relatively healthy pug, but in reality they are still very unhealthy and having spinal issues.

Hopefully the inbreeding and breeders are stopped soon so we no longer have overpopulation and sick dogs, but for now every "pure" breed is quite sick. Maybe the one in this image doesn't have it quite bad, but later in life could develop hip problems.

And GSDs also have a bad wrap of being "Evil" and "dangerous" so the original commenter might also have been pointing that out.

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Fervious In reply to Ga-Maleven [2018-03-28 06:03:56 +0000 UTC]

Wow this is so silly

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Ga-Maleven In reply to Fervious [2018-03-28 06:32:24 +0000 UTC]

Wow, you really need to learn about genetics and how breeders are fucking up dogs all for profit.

whowhatwhy.org/2014/04/07/crue…

And here is a video of a "show" German Shepherd with their crippled back legs that are "breed standard."

www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQla2I…

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Fervious In reply to Ga-Maleven [2018-03-28 08:23:12 +0000 UTC]

Yes, there are some breeders that do breed for extreme dogs and some that do not give a shit about health. There are many, many people breeding dogs (purebred or mixed) only for money. But breeding purebred dogs does not mean you are always breeding sickly or unhealthy dogs. That's a broad stroke on a whole group of dog people that isn't truthful whatsoever.

Thanks to DNA testing, purebred dog fanciers have been some of the leaders of funding and donating DNA to studies that found genes responsible for health issues in many dog breeds. Now, many breeders use this DNA testing in order to produce happy and healthy dogs. All breeds have issues, but so do mixes. That's why people looked to and funded science in order to try to make this less prevalent for all dogs- mixes or purebred. All purebreds were mixes at some point, so think of it that way

There's all kinds of breeders who use the below resources in order to produce happy and healthy purebred AND mixes
There's also many dog fanciers and purebred lovers, and breeders alike who disagree with breeding unhealthy dogs such as pugs, bulldogs, and dogs with those bracy faces. Lumping them all together is quite offensive. I feel breeding pugs and bulldogs is simply dog abuse, but I do buy my dogs from breeders who do health testing and lots of research on the dogs in the pedigrees in order to make sure the puppies will be healthy.

www.ofa.org/
www.pawprintgenetics.com/
www.optigen.com/
embarkvet.com/health
info.antechimagingservices.com…
www.vetgen.com/

Competing in dog sports costs money, and rarely makes you money. I have a purebred Australian Shepherd who I never plan on breeding (she's terrified of loud noises and could pass that onto her pups) but I do compete and train in dog sports for fun and enjoyment. I do a sport called lure coursing with her and my costs in that sport will have cost me $500 once she gets this fancy piece of paper I've been trying to get with her. Most of dog sports is purely bragging rights, leaderboards, and certificates printed on plain paper and spending hundreds to get that. Nothing else really

Competing in dog shows costs a lot more money. You rarely make money doing it. Typically you only see people loaded with cash being extremely successful in dog shows or doing them religiously. You see these people showing up in huge vans or mobile homes because they're already loaded with money. Those ribbons that people get at dogs shows are typically ordered in bulk and are nothing more than 60 cent ribbons. Cash prizes don't really exist. Clubs host shows to make money so they can keep running, they don't have the money to be shelling out thousand dollar cash prizes. Some of the bigger shows do award trophies but you can't really sell those and they have no value other than bragging rights, and some do award cash but that cash is nothing compared to the cost of competing

If you do health testing, it can get quite expensive. I bought my black Australian Shepherd for $800 (which is considered cheaper than usual) and it cost $250 to get his hips looked at. Then I had him DNA tested for several health problems which cost be over $200. That's $420 dollars in health testing. That's over one thousand bucks and not even considering the cost of feeding, grooming, or showing. Sadly there are people who do not health test and I do not agree with them breeding their dogs, purebred or mixed because it is so important to producing healthy dogs. I didn't breed my black boy because I researched his pedigree and found out that his mom produced puppies that were missing a testicle. He also didn't like to be shown and shies away from strangers. So even after spending the money I said fuck that because I care about making healthy puppies and ones with good temperaments

Yes, there are a lot of greedy and ignorant people who don't know how they should be breeding dogs. Most of the people I meet who have puppies don't even know what health testing is. They think because the parents were healthy that they can't produce sick puppies. This incorrect and wrong and has to do with recessive genes in many breeds which we can DNA test for now

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Ga-Maleven In reply to Fervious [2018-03-28 20:38:41 +0000 UTC]

Wooooooooooow. So much ignorance.

Okay, firstly, there is NO such thing  as a "pure" breed. Breed doesn't even exist. All domesticated canines came from the wolf. And over 200 "breeds" appeared in the last century when dog shows first started. Before, you basically had only a handful of "breeds" and even then people never cared about the looks so much. Just as long as the dogs did their job well. The whole "breed" thing and that the way a dog looks defines their temperament is simply bullshit that breeders made up to sell their "product."

Your comment about your Aussie.... Firstly, dumbest shit I've read this week thus far. Secondly, you shouldn't breed you dog because of overpopulation being the primary concer. Over 8,000 dogs are killed in USA shelters EVERY SINGLE DAY, even more worldwide. More dogs are bought from breeders every year than killed. Literally, if you stopped ALL breeding and adopted instead you would successfully save ALL DOGS ON EARTH. Holland no longer has strays because they made spaying and neutering super cheap, HEAVILY taxed breeders, and supported rescues. Now, there are NO MORE strays and NO MORE dogs dying in shelters.

You comment about her pups being "scared" is simply bullshit. Personality is NOT a genetic trait. You do NOT pass down fear or anything involving personality. Again, myths created by breeders and even racists. The ONLY thing passed down are physical characteristics. NOT mental. The ONLY time mental things are passed is usually mental health, but mental health, for SOME diseases, not all, has a physical characteristic to it. Autism, for example, if a mental health condition, but is caused by chromosomes, making it a physical characteristic. Which, they believe the chromosomes mutate due to a vitamin D deficiency, so it's not genetic, but it's still related to physical.

Spaying and neutering is also healthier for them, and makes them behave better, ESPECIALLY males. So, fixing them not only helps with overpopulation, but you're also helping them live longer and healthier, which people who ACTUALLY love their pets would do.

Every puppy you buy kills a dog in a shelter that you could have adopted. MOST dogs in shelters are from breeders because people buy from a breeder, realize puppies are NOT easy to handle , and dump them. Right now, I'm working on adopting a German shepherd who was dumped because of this same situation. Most likely she's a Christmas puppy. Bought for Christmas, people realize they aren't ready, they dump at a shelter.

True dog lovers don't breed, they don't judge a breed based on how they look, and they do NOT believe the lies of the "pure breed."

You want to hear the reality from genetic experts, scientists, and vets? Here, watch this documentary:

Part 1: vimeo.com/17558275

Part 2: vimeo.com/166015460

And you can also read the paper I wrote on this subject concerning dog breeds with links to more sources: Pet Overpopulation, Dog Breeds, AKC, and PitbullsJust as  human overpopulation is real and is a serious issue, pet overpopulation of domesticated animals is also significant. In this journal we will discuss specifically dogs and cats for the other domesticated animals will be addressed in others. Dogs and cats have been domesticated by man originally for the purpose of hunting, dealing with pests, and protection. Over time as technology has improved pets have become family members to us, but to some they are simply there for a statement of wealth, that they "have" to have one to be normal, or as a means of making profit.
Dogs and cats have been bred so much that now there is a serious overpopulation problem. Puppy/kittenmills, backyard breeders, and pedigree breeders have continuously bred and sold cats and dogs despite there already being so many. Add that to the fact of strays who breed and people who simply l



And before you claim I "don't know what I'm talking about," I am a trainer, I've worked with dogs for YEARS of over 100 breeds, sizes, personalities, etc. as well as done volunteer work SAVING dogs from these situations. I even trained my own service dog, who, yes, was a rescue. And the next one will also be a rescue trained as a service dog.

Educate yourself, actually LOVE dogs and HELP them, and stop believing the lies of greedy assholes who see profit instead of a living, sentient being.

Go to a high kill shelter on the day they are gassing dogs to death. Hear their screams of terror in their final moments. And know that they could of had a home if someone adopted rather than bought.

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