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Please read the description before commenting!Edit: I made a mistake in not making this clear: I meant like as a person not like as in crush. (Although that can work too if you keep reading.)
However it should also be noted it should be read like so:
If you like someone JUST for being Asian, you are Racist.
Of course, I'm not counting if you crush on them for being cute--to your tastes-- and then get to know them and date them. If you like them JUST for it though? Not so.
Now there is nothing wrong with liking Asians.
Unless you like them only because they are Asian.
Racism's definition from Wikipedia:
Racism is the belief that there are inherent differences in people's traits and capacities that are entirely due to their race, however defined, and that, as a consequence, racial discrimination (i.e. different treatment of those people, both socially and legally) is justified.
Now there are two ways which make this racist.
One is: You're only seeing what's on the outside, not the person's personality. It's unfair, to truly be kind you have to actually see the personality not in a shallow manner stare at the outside and think "well, that's the person!" Many Asians don't even like this behavior. (It's kind of creepy, actually.)
Two is: You're basically saying anybody who isn't Asian is below them, which is horribly, horribly racist. Asians are "amazing" and "to be praised on sight", but everyone else isn't? That's racism, you don't actually need to be apart of the race to be racist. Although not that you should be praising the ground someone walks on just for being Asian or any other race, you still need to treat everyone equal.
I have nothing against Asians at all, they're just human like everyone else. That's it. Just like every other race. Everyone should be treated equal. No matter what race.
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You've got racism all wrong. Racism is prejedious and superiority towards another race. Liking someone just because of race isn't being prejedious and superior to another. It's called a preference. Ever heard of it?
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It's funny. They love Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, etc. but the moment they find out I'm from Iran it's assumed I'm against everyone and will bomb anyone. Idk why they think tihs is the least bit ok.
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Thats like saying liking someone black marrying someone who is white for their skin color is racist. It’s BS. It’s an insult. Because multiple people I know and are my friends are of different ethnicity. And I like them for it. I dont care what you say about me, thats who I am.
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It's one thing to like them and not care or like them for being different races.
It's another to like them purely because of their race. To idolize or fetishize them not for who they are but their race.
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Oh, that is kinda weird.
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black men and white women marrying each other for their skin should see this.
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Someone's nationality isn't the main or only reason you should find someone attractive.
While it's true that some people who are of certain nationalities can actually be very attractive, it's a little racist to just like someone for being a certain nationality.
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It's more of an opinion than a fact. Some people like Asians for their culture (not talking about anime).
That's like saying liking someone just because they're gay is homophobic. It's not.
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Holy crap wow that last line.
Yes it entirely is? You shouldn't like someone just because they're gay, that's super not OK. Being gay doesn't define them, it isn't their personality. People are more then their sexuality and gender?? (And before you even try, I'm LGBT as well. As are most of my friends.)
If you want to be defined on your sexuality and gender that's your prerogative. But you don't speak for us or the community as a whole.
Secondly, someone's culture isn't all they are. It's only a small part of them. It's not their personality, it's genuinely fetishizing them to do that. They are not an amalgamation of their culture, they're an individual and they're all different. I love the crap out of Japanese culture (not anime), the mythology, the history, I even research it. I'd never date or be friends with a Japanese person for that. I'd do so because I liked their personality? Because they're human beings?
I've gotten this treatment multiple times due to my ethnicity. It isn't Asian, but it still gets this. It's dehumanizing and feels terrible.
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The last line is out of my personal experience. I'm a homosexual transguy, and I'm fine if people want to be my friend because they feel safer or more comfortable around me for either of those two things.
I wasn't speaking for the community as a whole, so neither should you.
It's not a personality, I know. I never said it was, but some people can be more comfortable around certain races or LGBT people because they are of that race or letter.
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(I know this comment is old, but I can't help but just put my two cents in, not looking for argument but y'know)
I'd honestly hate if someone became my friend because they felt safer around me because of my sexuality, I want them to feel safe around me regardless of who I fall in love with, I'd be awfully sad if my friends felt safe just becaue of that
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looks at what i said
I said..... homosexual transguy?
I identified as an ace/bi transguy why did I say homosexual I DONT UNDERSTAND
(I still identify as an ace/ bi transguy im just super confused as to why i said homosexual)
But I think what I was thinking back then was if an lgbt person or person of color had a super bad experience with people who were outside their race/gender/sexuality community then they may find it safer and more comfortable to be around people who are their race/gender/sexuality.
I wasn't saying they are friends with those people strictly because of their sexuality. What I was saying is they would find people they want to be friends with and would probably be more comfortable if that person also happened to be that race/gender/seexuality.
basically
I wasn't saying these people would go out and find the first POC or LGBT person they find and say "you're my new friend". I'm saying that they'd find new friends in places or communities that they are comfortable in.
Like if they went to a pride event and found people they got along with who are allies or gay, bi, trans, etc.
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To me you're not trans. You're a guy. You're whatever you want to be
I see where you're coming from, but oddly enough, I still find th at uncomfortable. I don't want to be considered a.. hm... not sure what to call it.
I don't mention this much, I've mentioned it once or twice my whole time on DA, but I am trans, however, I am a GUY, not a TRANS guy, and I had a friend, female, she told me openly she didn't feel safe around guys, she didn't trust any guy. She then added "But I do trut you because you're not.. uh.. y'know" that stung. I am a guy. Later on found out she only hung out with me because of the fact I am gay, and a trans guy. (Later on she pretended to be a trans guy, too, and yes before anyone butts in and tells me 'uhhh no one pretends' she did pretend because she kept saying she was a guy, used the word trans, KNOWING what genderfluid AND non-binary is, yet she only talked about her name. Nothing but her name. And then she dropped it again as soon as she started it and said to call her she.)
Thanks for the nice chat, I hardly ever find people from the LGBT willing to calmly chat with me rather than right away scream at me via caps
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It's 100% fine to say "i'm a guy" vs "i'm a transguy". I just personally don't have an issue with saying that I'm transgender, and if anyone has an issue with it I can always block them.
If anyone says transtrenders dont exist they're lying. (A transtrender is someone who pretends to be transgender for attention / thinks its cool and trendy)
And you're welcome ? I have the same issue with people in the community. if they disagree with you they'll yell at you or call you a homophobe / transphobe.
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True, the block button is very nice
And yeah, transtrenders definitely do exist.
You are very kind
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That's true but I was talking about people who aren't those things.
If you're not LGBT and like LGBT people "just" because they're gay it is indeed very homophobic. However, if you prefer to be around others like that because it makes you feel safer and are one then there's nothing wrong with that. Especially if you're open to speaking to other people who aren't LGBT (who are accepting), but just want someone to share your experiences with.
I wasn't speaking for the LGBT community, but saying liking someone just because their gay isn't homophobic has been something the community has taken issue with for a long time. For years people have discussed the issues with the gay best friend trope, the obsession with gay people, etc. That's not even going into harmful concepts like "girlfags" and "guydykes" straight people who use slurs and have an entire fetish of being obsessed with us (which many gay people have taken issue with).
Secondly, I am not particularly open about my LGBT issues, but I am also not cis (I do have dysphoria) and not straight and that's all I'll say on this. So are many of my friends. Now, personally, I'd prefer to choose my friends based on their personality. There's also plenty of not great LGBT people. But it is good to have people in your life who understand.
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I don't know. Liking someone is all about personality and I see no difference in liking someone for just being a gamer (Other than that's just a lifestyle).
Like I thought it's only racism if you believe they were 'bad' just because they are Asian for example. But if it's just a "I like the way you look, or culture." and that was the only reason, I don't find that 'superior' claiming it's self. Unless you make some kind of superior argument? Like that reasoning had something to do with it?
Some people seem to think that 'Because they are -name here-' it's self means racism, but I think it should only apply if they involve discrimination based off race or other claims of superior.
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It's different to like something or think it's superior, or like them only for that reason.
And liking someone for only being an ethnicity isn't cool. Most of them don't like it.
And, it's good to like the culture, but the person isn't inherently the culture. Liking someone for their merits is good. Liking them purely because they are something is not.
And again, the description makes this point: A. you don't get to say what racism is, and objectification and dehumanization is a big part of it, B. saying one group is superior due to ethnicity, gender, or sexuality, means everything that isn't that is inferior, and that's racist. In order to be superior, things have to be inferior.
I would say more, but to be honest, I saw the stamps you have up and haha, no. I'm not going to be replying from here on out. Please leave.
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I think 'only for the reason' on it's self isn't exactly bad.
It may not be cool for some, but it's not the same as actual superior based/racism, I think it's just a personal reason and only that.
I can see sort of, but I still don't think it's always bad to like something purely. Example, lot's of likes can be based off only one reason, but I don't think that's a bad thing it's self.
Example: Being attracted to someone is based off one reason, but that's probably a 'normal' reaction. It's not it's self discrimination. Unless you try to move it to it.
A. Aren't you violating that?
Your idea of racism doesn't match this I found when I search up the meaning of racism:
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.If I like someone solely on one look, but has nothing to do with any claim of moral superior, but it's all personal (Way different than arguing or reasoning on debating), then I don't see a match to the actual definition of racism. Which is why I argued.
B. Yes I know sort of, but basing off of sex for example would be called 'Sexism' instead of 'Racism', just saying.. Not saying it's OK, just wanted to make this point. lol
You're just a jerk. Maybe I should make a stamp in reaction to this.
Maybe 'Haha no.' to your stamps then. If you think they are wrong, then actually argue instead of being crappy at arguing then.
God what is wrong with you, I was kinda expecting a mature reply, but your just ego..
EDIT:
I tried to look deeper into what 'racism' is.
www.merriam-webster.com/dictio…
And honestly I can safety say, you're the one that's making things up with the term 'racism' and I think you are one of the thousands of people who overused it.
Also, I was talking about LIKING them as a '-insert race type here-'. Not based off any judgement. If it's judgement, then I agree it's racism.
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I take pride in being Asian, but I treat anyone the same. -w- This stamp is awesome.
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Exactly.
I'm Italian, and I'm proud of that, but I once had a guy stalk me (when I was underage) for my ethnicity. And then I see plenty of Asian friends dealing with the same and I feel awful for them.
Similarly, I've seen other Asians of lesser known or less popular countries get insulted for not being one of the "conventionally cool ones".
And others who think Asians are superior to everyone which isn't OK either.
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Yeah... We're all human after all, none is superior. :/
And wow, stalking? Darn...that's really creepy. Luckily, I don't go out as much, although that's not quite a good thing either...
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Not to mention historically Asian countries thinking they're superior to other Asian countries has lead to rape and murder and wars, and that tension remains.
It's just a mess to think this way.
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It upsets me to see it promoted on a small scale as well. (Anime fans especially are terrible about this on average.)
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I agree, even though I'm an anime fan myself.
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Why do people think everything Is racist?
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Not everything is, but this is.
Judging anyone purely based on assumptions of skin color is wrong. And racist, by definition.
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And people think whites can't be victims of racism.
Personally, I think humankind just has one race: the human race. It totally works.
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Almost freaked (because I'm Asian. Really.) until I looked at the stamp again.
That animation is too fast-paced! XD
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Haha, sorry. I thought it looked better. No insults to any ethnicities don't worry! Just telling people not to be creepy stalkers who only care about people for their ethnicity.
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I know a lot of people who do, and the issue is still there, haha.
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One of my friends is Asian (she was adopted from China. ^^) and I absolutely adore her! It's not because she's Asian, it's because she's such a sweet and caring person.
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i thought racist meant offending a race.
liking someone for their race isn't racist...unless i'm wrong..?
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That's false.
Racism and Racist is defined as this:
"a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another."
" a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race" (Merriam Webster.)
And here's the Wikipedia article on it. (All other sources site it as such as well.)
"
Racism is generally defined as actions, practices or beliefs, or social or political systems that are based in views that see the human species to be divided into races with shared traits, abilities, or qualities, such as personality, intellect , morality, or other cultural behavioral characteristics, and especially the belief that races can be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to others, or that members of different races should be treated differently."
It's certainly racist to see someone for their skin or race, and it's certainly gross. Whether you see them as better for it or not, you're judging them purely on that. Not to mention it looks down on other races as you do so. Not to mention it's gross and shallow and often unwanted.
It's the assumption that their race defines them, that they fit a narrow scale, and it's an awful way to see a person.
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thanks.
i wasn't sure
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Not an issue, hope it helped!
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I don't see wrong in someone liking someone just because they are Asian. many people like celebrities just because of their looks, it's like the same thing.
what I do think is wrong is when someone likes Asians and no one else, but that isn't the same thing
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Instead of seeing the person, you're seeing the looks.
Instead of seeing the person, you're seeing the stereotypes or what you want to believe.
And it's not the same as the celebrity thing, though that is equally shallow.
Liking someone purely based on their looks is wrong regardless, but it's also kind of creepy.
But you're also A. putting them on a pedestal based purely on race or B. not seeing who they are or who are only seeing them how you want them to be. Or based on, again, stereotypes.
Though, I'm not surprised someone with "chan" in their name is saying this, either.
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I see where you are coming from but it is wrong but defiantly not racist. racist is discrimination because of someone's race, not because they like a certain thing about a race
I am very proud of my username
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Sorry, that was a tad rude.
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Except, you're also acting like everyone else is below them by default, which is also terrible.
Also assuming they're great at things? Actually really hurtful. Many reasons Asians are good at things is that their families are often very strict. It's work. Not genetics.
It's hurtful, and it's wrong.
I'm sure you are, but it doesn't change how cliche and weaboo-ish it is.
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yes it is wrong but I do NOT think that all Asians are smart and creative. some Asians just copy other people because they haven't been taught otherwise, which I think is sad.
sorry for the late response my computer broke down :C
I am not actually Asian but a big fan of all things Asian, because I have been there before and everyone I met was wonderful kind and caring
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