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So, the first three panels are how Fara and Colin broke up way back in Chapter 12. This was never shown, which led to an awful lot of confusion for a long time (sorry for that). Given it was later explained that this is essentially what happened, I considered leaving out this specific depiction. But I decided it might help explain Fara's hesitation to forgive and forget after all.
The big thing I want to focus on here though: is Colin forgivable? If you were Rain's guardian, would you be having coffee with this guy after what he said? We've since seen him in Rain's presence, but can we assume he's had a change of heart as Aiken has, or was Colin just biting his tongue for the sake of being civil in front of Fara? And following all of that, is there hope for Fara and Colin? Should there be?
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I know that RAIN is set in America, but whereabouts? I know Centerville is fictional, but do we have an idea where the state is? It just seems that a lot of people are against trans here.
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Centerville is an imaginary town located somewhere in upstate New York. I can tell you from experience, acceptance can be very hit or miss up there (or anywhere, really).
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Hm. Shows how much I know about America. Thanks for the enlightenment!
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if i was Fara, I doubt i'd be seeing him again, period.
probably part of the talent i have for being alone.
I kind of feel like it's on him to eat crow.
iunno...
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That is what forgiveness sounds like.
Screaming, and then silence.
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Actually, that little speech of his looks more lck a buttload of ignorance to me than anything else.
Maybe not, but it just sounds like he has no idea than he's talking about (more so than the average ignorant bigot).
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Honestly, I don't know. In the past, I knew some peoples who could be true jerks when you spoke to them about problems they didn't knew existed, or just were never confronted with it in any way. The most extreme cases could outright deny the problem could exist at all but, after enough time for them to calm down, would do research about it, and discover just how wrong they were.
I don't know if it's supposed to be Colin's case, and if it is, he's probably needed a lot of time to forgive himself, or even simply accept how wrong he was, and may still some time for it.
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...You know, I seem to feel like braking my pacifistic ways a lot when reading your comics. Fara should just sock him, then turn around and leave. If he isn't willing to accept Rain, then he doesn't deserve to be in her life.
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People always deserve a second chance in my book. I would forgive his behavior, but I would not continue to date him. At least not until he has proven himself worthy of my affection.
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In my experience, people only change when they have to. I don't see Colin feeling that he has to change or having as much capacity as Aiken to change. Even if he changed, I probably wouldn't forgive him unless he made a real effort to show that he would never become that hateful person again.
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sigh... I feel so conflicted whether if I would or not... I would forgive him.
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He said some awful things but if did seem out of ignorance and not hate. If he's willing to learn and make amends then I think he may earn his forgiveness in time.
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What he said was very much with hate, he accused Fara of being insane. Shes explaining the whole thing to him and making it very clear, and hes not listening and intentionally misgendering her.
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Colin needs to prove he's sincere, but then I would forgive him. Maybe not date him again, but forgive him.
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Okay heres the deal
Rain was able to forgive him because she did not even know he existed until after this happened, he gave her tickets to the con, and she doesn't know what he said.
I don't think Colin completely understands the gravity of what he said. He crossed multiple lines by 1) Intentionally misgendering Rain 2) He never even met the kid and hes telling Fara how to raise her. 3) Attacked Fara for going above and beyond to do what was right. 4) Brought up Rains mother, like wtf was that its none of his business how she wouldve reacted to this.
He attacked Fara and Rain, and violated Rain. Fara has every right not to forgive him.
(and for the record, I think Rain's mom would eventually have come around when seeing how happy she was. It was her piece of garbage father that was more of an obstacle than anything else)
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she should try to forgive, but she certainly shouldn't go back to dating him, at least not now. Besides, I really want Vincent and Fara to get back together!
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Well that is a lot of things that Colin said. I don't really know if I would forgive him at this point, but I do think that at the time that he didn't fully understand what it all really means, and now he does a bit better. So maybe he is working his way there, I guess we will see.
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I think he needs to be set up on fire, but that is just my opinion.
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Hmmm... but if he's on fire he's protected from ninjas.
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Now I'm torn because on the one hand, I'm a believer in second chances and Colin does seem sincere, on the other hand, that was a really dickish thing to say. I guess I'll have to wait and see how he acts here before passing judgement.
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Jocelyn, I must finally say something regarding your work. Normaly.. I can't really stand anime. Never read it much. By "much" i mean never. I can't take the weird little faces they make and such.. That aside. I just spent the last 8 hours reading this series from start to present page. I love it. Your characters have expressions that really show me what they're thinking rather than over- exaggerating their emotions. You have a very nice style in your illustration and your story has been absolutely captivating. I said to myself "maybe I like anime now".. and began scouring the internetz for more.. alas.. nothing peeked my interest. Just Rain. Thanks for this comic. It's really a great one.
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This isn't an anime, anime is a particular style of animation, traditionally based on manga like cartoons are animation based off of western style comics, this is neither animated or a manga, this is a comic.
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I'm not sure if you are trolling... this has nothing to do with "anime", you know?
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Im not trolling. I was giving an artist a compliment.
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Why would they be trolling? There's plenty of people in this world that don't know the difference between anime and manga and comics (example: my parents).
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Forgiveness? Maybe. He (and Aiken) seem to be trying to be better people now. But I think it would be a bad idea for Colin and Fara to get back together after that rough break up. I think it would hang over their heads and put a damper on a relationship. For the same reason, I don't think Jessica should get back with Aiken. Even though Aiken's trying to be understanding, what he said back on page 279 was hurtful. I do hope they can all become friends though.
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oooooh, here's hoping for another famous Fara Face-Slap™!
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I think that he should be given a second chance as he has probably at least tried to gain some understanding if he is trying to apologize to Fara
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i think theres always room for forgiveness. he clearly regrets what he said and Rain forgives him despite not knowing his exact words. So while it may take time, Fara should eventually forgive him
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Everybody needs a second chance, I'd say. He mostly just seemed ignorant, but not unwilling to learn.
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NO! Don't forgive him Fara! Throw your coffee in his face and run to Vincent and make out with him HARD!
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I agree. I feel like colin is saying this to get in her pants.
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Anyone can be forgiven, even if we don't accept or condone what they did. Nor does forgiveness mean you forget what happened.
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FARA DON`T DO IT!
(that would instant kill the respect i feel for her)
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Fara did the right thing, tell family first, friends second. I"m surprised he thought about the mother.
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What's "forgivable" (and after how much penance) is up to the people expected to do the forgiving. Forgiveness is optional.
I'm assuming (because this is Rain) that his contrition is legitimate. Still, though, I know *I* wouldn't be comfortable around someone with views that were so...heteronormative.
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Normally when someone writes me off I never see them again, unless they've made a calculated decision to make my life miserable.
I don't think I've ever been in a situation where someone was rude and mean and then suddenly had a change of heart and wanted to be friends with me.
I've had friends backstab me a lot, but I don't think that's what's happening here.
Sorry, I don't really know what to say. There's an idealist in me and there really shouldn't be considering how much she gets beat down and how much the cynic in me is always telling her to stop it.
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i think you explained what i wanted to say a bit earlier in a much better way than i ever could
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(Replying to both of you. Related comments 
Sadly, same here. People whom I have told about me, either they were ok with it from the start or have never accepted it, no matter how much time has passed. And it was even worse with those who were completely against it.
Maybe he's just doing it for Fara, but even so...it kind of feels off. Too much of a change in such short time. Colin wasn't just "a bit douchebag" back there, he was one of the bigger ones.
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maybe its just a matter of perception on your part, remember that someone that would not entirely agree with your choice will probably judge better to keep himself shut on the subject to avoid hurting you.not all people are so hateful that they would deny a friend or family on something they do not quite agree with
basiquelly just to explain that there is some middle ground between being intolerent and accepting, its just not visible most often
Gavin ark was pretty much based on a case like that
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"basiquelly just to explain that there is some middle ground between being intolerent and accepting, its just not visible most often"
That's exactly why this page hits me as odd. Colin wasn't keeping it to himself, he downright raged about it, even blaming Fara in the process. Such a change now is somehow weird to me.
Then again, maybe he has not changed and all we are seing is just and act.
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I think there was a substantial event that happened in his life, that we don't know of yet, that caused him to re-evaluate his views. Something like, maybe he has a family member or close friend that has come out as being trans and finds it hard to hate or be disgust with trans people, when someone he really cares about is also trans. In the end, I could be wrong ^_^ .
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I trust jocelyn to actually avoid something like this, there was no prior build up toward something like this and learning that kidn of thing at this point would just feel as a forced and desesperate way to redeem the character. It would only hurt the quality of the comic
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thats a distinct possibility but like it was said a bit earlier, wanting to go back with fara wouldnt make sence unless hes actually using it as a way to hurt fara and rain...and colin was nowhere presented as that vile of a person
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Upstaging you was never my intent.
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ill be honest,If colin reacted like that to fara confession, i highly doubt he would be that accepting already.
there 3 explanation i can see to such a change of heart
1: he actually have gone trough a lot between and informed himself on the subject
2: his idea didnt change and he is just being dishonest
3:you made a writing mistake and made his word too harsh
im sorry to say but i feel like the third option is the most probable. If he was that hateful back then, there is no reason for him to think his reaction was wrong and to try to make himself forgiven.
we don`t have all the information yet so its still unsure, but if you indeed simply made a mistake, i just wanted to say that it can happen to any author and doesn`t ruin the story. I just wanted to share a concern i had about this page, It isn`t intended as a critique
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I wonder if someone close to Colin has come out as being transgender or something similar and that caused him to re-evaluate his thoughts on Transgender people. I don't know, but it seems like a reasonable explanation. I can't help but think something drastic had to happened in his life, to cause him to have a change his thoughts in such a short time. Well, if Colin and Fara get back together as a couple, it most likely won't be anytime soon. And he does seem to be more understanding now. As for, if they should get back together, idk, though I do think Fara and Colin starting off as friends and re-building a relationship from there would be a good start, and if they end up just being friends, I don't see that as being a bad thing.
Seeing the first three panels here, I can really see why Fara was crying. Sure, the fact that she was crying meant something hurtful happened, but to see what that thing was. I can only imagine how hard it was for her to tell Colin all of that, and then to have him react so badly. I do think, with time and talking things out, his actions could be left in the past, but they can't be forgiven. He needs to do what he can, to make up for what he said, to both Rain and Fara (Con tickets and talking things out are good starts).
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