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julezz30 โ Caught a Long Wind WIP
Published: 2012-02-27 02:29:54 +0000 UTC; Views: 3644; Favourites: 49; Downloads: 41
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I've changed it to WIP because I am, and will probably continue to change things alot.
Used a photo reference for the pose and to figure out where to put the highlights etc. Obviously Sansa is based on Sophie Turner, an image I found on google. I've seen it done digitally (better than I have
) I'd also like to thank all the wonderful people here on deviant art that share their awesomeness by making great tutorials. The ones I used while making this (and ones I didn't but might in future) are in my favourites so I'd highly recommend them.
Lastly: the title is a name of a song that always makes me think of SanSan. It's from an album called Metals by Feist. You can find it here: [link]
Oh, and he's possibly sitting down and she's standing down (or if you'd like she's sitting in his lap) As to why his face is lower down than hers- I imagine this to be possibly an extension of the scene after Battle of Blackwater when she finds him in her bed...
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Yep. Lol. It would be one of those ships you wouldn't like- she's like 13 and he's something like 29. It is implied that he has a thing for her and she later remembers him giving her a 'kiss' which doesn't actually happen. But because everyone treats her like shit (she initially deserves it) and he's actually halfway decent to her... Well I ship them. And thousands of other people XD (as for the creepy part- he is sniffing her hair and what not
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What fandom is this? Implied pedophilia? o_O
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A Song of Ice and Fire- Game of Thrones is the first book. It's not implied and not pedophilia- like in medieval times once the girl got her period she was deemed 'woman grown' and often enough married off and what not.
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Oh, I see. Yeah that was normal back then, but normal was also dying of bubonic plague before getting to be 40 LOL
I gotta read Game of Thrones!
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Yeah... Just saying. I tend to not quite apply my real world beliefs and what's considered ok to certain fictional universes (that's one of the reasons you know for my SS/HG shipping)
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Personally, I prefer the characters to be around the same age. I guess that's just me
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This is a great piece. I am confused slightly about who the man is supposed to be, but I assume, it's the hound.
I love your technique with the airbrush/digital art. It's very nice to see such skill.
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Obviously this is my interpretation of what he looks like based on the books- given that his scars are meant to be on his left side they are only slightly visible from this angle. I'm still changing it daily (I have a wonderful friend who give wonderful critique so I'm still working toward a really good Hound but it's somewhere along the way
Thank you, it's very kind of you to comment on my technique- I've had a look at a whole bunch of great tutorials and they were really helpful with this..
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Very nice done!!! Beautiful work!!! Now.. for my little critique...
Ok, I really wish you had done his profile complete. Now, the good part, the eyesbrows are lowers and thicker than Sansa`s. That is a good quality. I also like the detailed ears and the skin is well done. Now, about a man`s anatomy different than a woman. A man always has the forehead flatter, the brow just out. The eyes are smaller, and usually without much eyelashes like I see here. Then your jaw is harder, more square, thicker neck and an adam`s apple. Mouth is wider with much thinner lips, and the chin is usually squared more pronouced. Now I know you worked really hard on the eyes, but they look like crystal eyes to me and Sandor looks like he has color contacts. His hand is really well drawn, but also, men fingers are thicker and hairy, I`d also add some 5 oยดclock shadow or beard to Sandor... and not so long hair.
Here is some stuff that can help you difference men and women in anatomy, it`s simple and plain to check out! Good luck!
[link]
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darn! I've actually been editing it while you were writing this. Obviously since I'm only reading this I haven't done any of what you have suggested, but check out my changes
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I usually don`t give out critique, it`s hard to fall into critizing and not help at all. I like this much better. I love how his eyebrow just out and you took the eyelashes and turned them down. I always love "horse" eyelashes for a guy... now, the lips are too dark to me and I would really make them thinner. I like thin lips, pale like ones. His eye still needs to look more natural. I really would make them less shiny and try to bulge out the lower part, it doesn`t look like he has bones... now the nose, the nose in a guy is usually straight, I would make his complete, but well, you can see how it curves in too much, making it look unnatural. Try to make his neck wider, stronger and trapezius look like he is really strong... The jawline is much better, but I would go more square.
It`s really nice learning the anatomical differences that make a man look like a man and a woman a woman. Good luck!!!!
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Yeah, I know with critique it's hard to do it properly (they actually taught it to us at my course last year). So people saying 'he looks feminine' isn't helpful. I know. It's part of why I've taken to long with this, trying to fix it (and failing miserably til you came along and helped 
Anyway. Thank you. That tutorial is great by the way. I will edit this probably twenty times but least I now know what to do
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NP. That is the way it goes with art, you can edit it 100 times until you like what you see and it works for you. Having good models for your work and studies is very important, if you are aiming at realism. I think people try to help out. Few people will tell you what can be fixed or is wrong, unless you are in art school with a really good teacher. I am a student just like you and try to help the way teachers help me. Bone structure is so important! Oh you need to work on Sansa`s shoulder... again check out the model or better, the structure of a shoulder.. herea are fantantic books and tutorials to help you!!! [link]
And well, hair is usually very hard to do for a start. I also see Sansa is too small, but well, that is very objective, Sandor is huge... it`s really going well! Don`t give up!!!
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And yet another edit 
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OK, that is a good edit. I really like that you added the parts of the face that weren`t there, a bit covered with hair.
Now, there is a rule that most faces follow, not all, but the chin usually alings with the forehead. You can see what I mean here: [link]
[link]
You can see clearly where the chin ends (with the forehead). You have to change that so it looks more natural.
The reference you used is nice, but not the best, I see where the lips come from.
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God. Looks like he has a terrible underbite
Yes, the guy on the reference has a very small face and is somewhat pretty isn't he? I liked the pose though (and his greasy looking long hair- Sandor is meant to have long black hair but I don't imagine him being too worried about washing it much)
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I really like the hand!!! 
Now, Remember guys have flatter and smaller foreheads than girls, so the chin try to fix. The chin tell so much about a persons character, you can actually make a man ruder or just a coward with a proper chin. Yes you have underbite and I don`t think a man with Sandor`s character would have it... he would have a firm, square and rude jaw and chin!
Now the nose, it`s too beautiful, too stylized to be Sandor`s. Try to check out noses. I`d make it a bit "uglier". I mean there are so many shapes of noses out there, find one that goes with the profile. It`s all a harmony, the chin, nose and forehead. I can usually tell when someone had a nose done just by looking at the other facial parts, it doesn`t harmonize. Da Vinci made some studies of facial proportions and harmony as well as Loomis and well, you need to draw different type of characters, expressions ... not everyone is beautiful. Sandor would not be a good looking guy, but harsh soldier...
And add more facial hair. Don`t be afraid, scars, some wrinkles (yeah people who suffer have them even if they are young). The cheek shadow is too shallow, I don`t see Sandor so thin... check out muscles in the face, tendons... try to follow the structure of the bone and all the muscles. Men like Sandor must show these, specially the tendons and muscles...
Now for the blending, you did a good job, but I am seeing you need to polish the volumes and directions of the strokes. What I mean is that to make an apple round you have to make round strokes. This is what is not helping Sansa`s shoulder, and the shape.
The hair... that is another story. You have to have strands, I see too much strokes. You must set your pen to pen pressure and draw thick strokes and just add detailed lighting. To integrate the hair and well, any character to a painting it must have the colours of the surroundings, reflections ... add various tones of hair (light, medium and light) and add parts of your palette to it.. remembering you light source always...
Sorry for the long rant, but I sence your really open to critique which is good and want to learn. I hope this helps a little
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I am thoroughly researching the above- until now I haven't quite realized that most of our male film stars are not very masculine looking. Compared to the leading men of 30s 40s and 50s (who were often quite clean cut), our current male leads look like teddy bears. :S But I have managed to find a number of images of face profiles (alot of them are old or of athletes) that I can now study and adapt to what Sandor should look like
Although I must say that I have purposely darkened the hollow of Sandor's face- he's supposed to be gaunt... Good god. I have so much studying (of facial structure and muscles among other things) to do!
Also, thank you about the advice about volumes and directions of my brush strokes
Please! Don't apologise for giving me extensive critique! I am open to it! I do want to get better and you give me something I can work with- you have been a wonderful teacher to me so far! I am much more motivated to strive for more when I know what I'm striving for, really, I appreciate you taking so much of your precious time to give me this wonderful feedback and sharing your knowledge with me! You are opening my eyes to things I don't even notice are wrong or strange- my boyfriend pointed me to a strange thing- it's called 'Uncanny Valey' which is sort of if I'm striving for a realistic look but something is off, and it looks much worse than if it were stylized (and obviously unrealistic image) just ends up looking creepy- often happens when they make human looking robots... It was very interesting to read about and consider how it applies to art!
So, anyway, your feedback helps not just a little, but alot! I am aware of my short comings and imperfections in my art but all the same I'm proud of the progress I'm making- and how fast I'm making it thanks to you- things that would take me months to pick up on my own, I can pick up much quicker with the wonderful guidance you're giving me! You should teach art
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Here are various skulls. Look how the forehead alings with the chin bone. [link]
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Did you edit the nose? I think it`s a lovely nose, but too small for Sandor. Check this out: [link] You might undestand what I mean about the chin, forehead and nose "radio".
Ok, Sandor is strong, but not Gaunt... again, the shadow you have added looks like he put on some dark makeup. Remember that there are bones and tendons, muscles in the face. Let`s go back to out skull.[link] It`s not much you have to correct. Try to study this [link] and see where the muscles and shadow would go...
Now, digital or traditional painting follow the same exact rules. To make a round apple in any media, you need stroke with directions, value, tone and colour. I promise there is no real difference.
Uncanny Valey... I never heard of this, but what you write makes total sence, that is why it`s so hard to do this style. Realism is very tricky.
Keep studying!!! BTW, I got some amazing art books today!!!! See ya!!! Needs to go and read some!
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So I've pretty much erased all of his face
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Having fun is the most important thing and learning. The joy of being able to undestand the human face, the body and well, I wish I could draw Marvel like comics ... I love western style very much!!!!
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Yeah. I have alot of fun- sprinkled liberaly with alot of frustration
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Yeah, never give up and it`s never a lost cause! You always learn, the more problems you encounter, the more you learn... so keep posting! That is what art is about, sharing...
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That's true. Well, I'm putting this on hold for a little while- I finally found my watercolours (my mum had them)and I want to learn some stuff with that- the watercolours I have are really cool they're like a circular palete of six colours but there are four levels of them that screw on or off- so they are very space efficient. Also they're Koh-I-Noor which is a czech company (you are probably pretty familiar with them) they do pencils and colouring pens and all sorts- I had a beautiful set of water soluble colouring pencils as a kid (I actually still have them but they're in less than ideal shape- have had them for about 15 years now)
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Variety is important, as long as you keep working on you skills and have fun. I have no idea about this Koh-I-Noor, I live in South America and the most we get is Winsor and Newton from England and some stuff from Germany and France(very expensive all of it). I wish we had Italian supplies 
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So I've spent a couple hours on my watercolour picture (Melisandre) and it's far from perfect. But I love watercolours! They're so much fun!!! Fair enough- here in NZ well, I find the supplies to be really expansive- maybe I'm wrong. But at the art shop (which has decent quality- I can also buy cheap stuff from the warehouse but it's shitty) the art shop is really expansive! Though I get 20% off cause I'm an art student (sort of- not fine art or something but I'm in the creative biz) thank god for that- my watercolours were surprisingly cheap though ($10) and I'm still using a brush that I got in highschool (it's good quality, it came with my art pack in year 11). I was happy to find yesterday that I actually have a pad of watercolouring paper (or whatever it's called)...
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Are you studying art in the University? I am not sure you told me what you study...
I am insaine when it comes to art supplies, I can live without jewels, new outfits and crap, but my studio is a real collection of every kind of book, art brush, paints etc... I am quite insaine about it...
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I do 3D animation. This [link] is just one rendered image of my final project that I did last year- I modelled 9 buildings (and textured them (put bricks on them and shiny material for door handles etc)). I called it 'Marigold Plaza' basically a virtual town square- I've also done some animation projects for class last year- we had a sound recording that I animated characters to sync the lip movements and walking etc for. This year I am in the advanced class (I start in two weeks) and we'll be working on some big projects- even have a projects that is for a real customer which will be screened on tv! There is some amount of drawing that we have to be able to do (stick figures suffice for story boarding) and we have to make our model-sheets- for example if I wanted to model a person I'd have to draw a front and side view so I can use it as a reference...
Digital painting and traditional drawing and painting is just my hobby, though it is useful- one of my friends is also writing a fantasy book (he goes to my class) and asked me to do some concept art for him, so I've done a little of that- it's very rough at the moment but enjoyable all the same!
I think that's cool- that you love your art stuff, passion like that is great. My mum is very DIY- she bought some cupboards that she's repainted for her new house, and she's been making little recipe plaques with 50's ladies on it, and she's been painting pictures for family for christmas etc.- she's between jobs at the moment and keeps busy that way, it's really nice actually. I don't wear jewelery anyway, I usually sink my finances into my computer (or into getting furniture- we're slowly upgrading our stuff). My tablet was probably one of my best investments in the last few years though
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Wow, that is very nice, animator! Well, I think drawing comes in so handy and is so important! Wow!
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Yeah! It's alot of fun, I think it's really my calling I love it, it's so different to when I did Linguistics and Psych, I enjoyed that but it just wasn't right... We've had a few drawing classes on top of our actual work last year which was alot of fun- we did some 30 second pose sketches and stuff, it was really good! I wish we did that more..
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I edited a little bit- have been a bit busy with RL, I rounded the nose a little- I've been downloading pictures of men in profile so I can see what makes a manly Sandor-ish nose. I've changed his lips again and gave him some wrinkles. It's quite rough. I'm keeping your previous message in my messages so that I can refer back to it when I finally get around to changing it. Arghh this is never going to be right :S
I think that when I got and do it (possibly tomorrow) I need to do what I did with sansa- get rid of the hair and do him again :S It will be worth the effort.
Nice
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Wrinkles and lines of expression are important. I`d lessen them a bit and just add them at the corner of this eye... sorry, but well, you can leave them if you want... I feel I might be too perfectionist, but that is the only way I can truly help out.
And it`s looking great, I feel this man is more Sandor now... not feminine at all!!!! Bravo!!!! You should be really happy for that!!!! Learning is hard and slow, but only you know the basic things, you can move on to other things like landscapes or human anatomy...
And yeah, the hair is a hard thing, but I love so doing hair, it`s so beautiful!!!!
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Don't apologise- think of it this way, I appreciate your views and critique and if I deem that you are right (as I do vast majority of the time) then I try to fix it to the best of my ability. If I have a different opinion (which I might, I probably romanticize Sandor too much- have a silly belief that his temper and hideous scarring is the main thing that makes him 'ugly'- that if you don't see that he is bordering on attractive (for me anyway- then again, I like Snape). I have alot of work on this- it's probably never going to be 'perfect' but it can be a long way from what it started as. I will try not to become content with something that is substandard (then again my current standard isn't very high given my current skill).
His hair will be changed- I like the short side-burn part and how some of the hair tucks under, but I need to redo the whole thing to be somewhat consistent with the technique I've used for Sansa's hair!
I will always value your input, and thanks a bunch for taking the time to do it
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It's beautiful, but I agree, Sandor looks a little bit like a woman... maybe it's the lips and his eye... and the hand. The Hound is a soldier, he doesn't have hand like these I suppose...
Actually, I knew it was Sandor because of the burns, but he's too fine. And if you take the lips for example; Sandor's are more luscious than Sansa's... Maybe you should inspire yourself with the man who play Sandor in the show Game Of thrones, you'll see what I mean. Because for me, he looks almost exactly like I imagined him reading the book.
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I've been fixing and changing all morning
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To be fair I struggled with his eye alot. I did refer to the description of him "he left side of his face is hideously burned. He has a gaunt face, sharp cheekbones, grey eyes and a heavy brow. He has long black hair that he brushes over the burned section of his head where no hair grows. " Half of which you can't see (since it's facing away). I particularly struggled with the heavy brow... I can think of two things I can do to make him manlier without having to redo it completely. I was pretty proud of the hand actually, what's feminine about it? Look at the size of it! It's just about bigger than Sansa's head XD. I don't think that the man cast as Sandor looks anything like the description. [link] this is more like what I imagine him as)
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It's better I think ^^
But, for the hands, I didn't mean that the size wasn't good, it's just that it doesn't look like a soldier's hand for me, it's a big hand yes, too big for a woman, but... I don't know ^^
But you made a great job, Sandor is better now...
And the link you gave me... I agree, this version of Sandor is really a good one !
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I'm still working on it, feel free to check back throughout the next few days- it's still not perfect (doubt it will be) but hopefully I can get it to be reasonable while still keeping with how I picture him (currently his chin is too pointy as is his nose. He'll have more of a fine stubble and I gotta fix his hair). I also made his hands hairy
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Lol, who, her or him?
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Sandor. The scars aren't too visible at first.
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Yeah, I've been changing it, slowly working towards a masculine Hound that I'm happy with XD
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Well, it looks like a lesbian picture - sadly Sandor looks totally like a girl. Like a young girl.
cheers and good luck at drawing!
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It was a man on the reference, but like I said, I used the reference for how they are in relation to each other. I can take critique, though good critique usually contains suggestions for improvement which sadly yours doesn't. So if I'm not mistaken, the whole point of your comment was to say he's feminine looking?
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