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Description have you ever felt like quitting writing because of this? I know I have. There just comes a point when rereading a story you already know inside out and can retell by heart becomes nauseatingly boring. And yet you must reread it because who else will edit your novel for you? Beta readers are fine and all that, but they're only here to guide you -- you are the writer, the one who makes the final decision on what goes and what stays, so yes you'll need to read your own story again and again as if you were a reader.

Which is why it is important to be a reader. Writers don't live in a void, we don't write in a void, our writing is heavily influenced by life and what we read, by the fiction we consume.  And lately I've been consuming a whole lot of boring fiction... stories where the protagonists go robotically from one event to the next, without feeling anything, without changing anything about themselves, without experiencing struggles, real struggles. Fiction that feels as stale as a slice of bread left uneaten on a plate overnight.   This happens in movies, TV shows, anime, genre fiction, fanfiction, comics, and yes even in the esteemed well composed exalted form of Literary Fiction :bademoticon: who would've guessed?







Am I picking the wrong books to read? Could my tastes be changing? And what makes a boring story anyway? If it's only a matter of personal taste, it doesn't make much sense to write a blog about this, and yet here we are


So is your story actually boring, or are you merely projecting your writer's frustrations onto your story and boring yourself?







Personally I love drama (in fiction ) I think it adds that extra layer of conflict to a story, without which the story wouldn't be as satisfying to read, nor would the characters be as fun to root for. What makes me read books is (usually) not the question 'what will happen?' but questions like 'how will character x and character y resolve their issues?'. I like Romances, and the ending of Romance stories is (usually) predetermined (a happy ever after - HEA - for the main couple), so it's the How, not the What, that makes the story interesting. This is also why I don't care much for spoilers, and can enjoy a good story even after the ending is 'spoilt' for me.


Drama between two characters is an essential part of a story for me. Without drama, there might as well be no story. This is why I find a lot of Hard Sci Fi stories boring -- more often than not, the characters don't act human. There is so little interpersonal conflict that the characters may as well be processors inside a hivemind supercomputer, only performing actions that move the plot along. This is excusable, because those stories are not about people. Those stories are about technology, science, space, human achievements and mystery: the question what lies beyond our galaxy, where humans came from, where life itself originated from, is there a God? etc etc, all fine and dandy but that's not what I'm looking for in a fictional story (personal preferences, I know, I know, okay moving on.)


But the exact same thing happens in a lot of Romance stories -- characters act as puppets to move the plot along, they don't act human, they don't talk like people would, they don't feel human.  That is inexcusable. Romance stories, Tragedies, Comedies, Drama is supposed to be about people, about how people interact with other people and how those interactions cause problems and hardship people need to overcome. Stories like that inspire us to do better in our own lives, to try harder, to git gud  , to ask your crush out on a date, to ask your boss for a promotion, to pull an all nighter writing that presentation and chug 5 cups of Irish coffee an hour before the presentation to gather our spirits...  and deal with your boss' wrath when he finds out.


Stories that have puppets for characters instead of people don't inspire anyone -- they sound false and feel fake... and eventually get rather boring. There's only so much phony one can take  before the big SNOOZE sets in. And why should we waste our lives reading bad uninspiring fiction that lies to us? Fiction that is so drenched in falsehood it demotivates us and puts us to sleep? (unless you suffer from insomnia) After all,




Some writers try to cover up the fact their characters are nothing but puppets with 'special effects' like big ass explosions, car chases, tragic character deaths, out of the place explicit sex scenes that don't suit the characters, even, even going as far as giving their characters a traumatic past backstory ( my personal favorite: the insecure 50 year old who never overcame his childhood abuse... but somehow survived 32 years of adulthood without encountering any new trauma??). However these writers don't do the research these 'special effects' require, which results in unrealistic scenarios that only underscore how inhuman their characters are. Events like that cannot happen the way those writers wrote them. And people in the audience are going to know, especially if they have experienced these events firsthand.


A story filled to the brim with tragic death scenes, chases, battles, gunfights, fist fights, steamy sex, abuse, zombies, vampires, cheese-eating aliens can still be boring. (or it can be unintentionally hilarious, but that's beside the point). The point is that special effects do not a story make. A story doesn't need to have spectacular helicopter rides or 'exciting' fight scenes on a rooftop. You don't need death to enthrall your audience.







Because it's not events that make a good story, but it's characters who are interesting to watch. The reactions of the characters, how they perceive the events, that makes people read. A dead character cannot react to anything (unless you revive them somehow: zombie, undead, in Heaven or Hell, or just plain resurrected), so a character's death can only be interesting if it affects the remaining (main) characters in an interesting way.


A character's genuine emotional responses to an event are what the audience usually seeks in fiction. Of course, we're all different with different tastes and preferences when it comes to stories, but if audience ratings on goodreads or rottentomatoes are any indication, then people generally like to read about other people -- not cardboard cutouts pretending to be human.








Obviously characters are not human. They do not exist apart from what we believe them to be in our hearts and minds. Yet their actions, their words, their thoughts and feelings can be like those of real people. Or not. A lot of Literary characters go about their life not feeling anything deeply at all -- and that is how we perceive most people around us. We are not privy to their secrets, to their deep and heartfelt desires. Most people around you act cold and impersonal because you do not know them well, you are not BFFs, but that doesn't mean they have no feelings, or don't feel anything deeply. We are taught and trained to hide and deny our feelings in the workplace and around people we don't know well enough because there are some that would take advantage of those feelings. Fiction breaks the barrier between people by exposing the human soul underneath, or at least, it should. As Kafka wrote,


“A book must be the axe for the frozen sea within us.”  ~ Franz Kafka


This is why characters who barely react to life changing events don't feel genuine. We know in our hearts that this is not true, that (healthy) human beings do not react this way. And this ends all immersion with the story because we can no longer identify with the main characters, we can no longer accept their truth -- we don't want to believe it.


Tragic events or spectacular scenes can make a story more exciting, but only if the characters react to these events in a way that we can understand and perceive as being 'realistic'. This is different for each person because we all have different experiences, different lenses through which we view life. Indeed it can be difficult to relate to a character that is completely different from us and our understanding of life. Which is why most authors specifically write for certain 'target audiences' and try to create main characters that resemble the average person in their target audience. I don't see anything wrong with that, we all write with a certain audience in mind -- even if you don't think you are, if you claim you only write for fun, then you are also writing for a target audience (that audience is people like you, and you take yourself as the average person within that group) -- perfectly fine, after all you can't please everyone. If your target audience is younger or less experienced, you can get away with doing less research, and most of your readers won't notice a thing. The characters will seem like real people to them because they haven't experienced events that show the falsehood of your story.


But the backbone of your story is more than the set of (tragic/heroic or 'dazzling') events that make up your plot -- a good story rests on a character who wants something, cannot get it directly, and struggles throughout the entire story to obtain it. These struggles are as real as your character perceives them to be. Something as mundane and boring as finding a parking spot can be the major conflict in your story, as long as your character wants it enough to fight for it, a fight to the death.






There needn't be any actual death in your story -- but the character should feel like they're about to die. Rejection by a loved one can feel like death, heartbreak can feel like the end of the world, and yes we can hate someone so much we imagine their gruesome death in our head over and over again but we would never actually kill them. And besides negative feelings, (healthy) people have positive feelings too. It's alright to give your character a shot at happiness every once in awhile (if you have set up enough story conflict, it won't neuter the suspense), even if your story has a tragic ending. Too much tragedy can be a difficult pill to swallow, so it's best to break it up with some of those positive vibes :bademoticon:




Just like with the overblown tragic scenes, a character doesn't need much to be happy. They don't need to be rediscovered as the long lost child of some royal and crowned king, they don't need to win an election, they don't need to find the cure for cancer, and they don't need to marry a sexy hot billionaire who takes them on a helicopter ride to feel on top of the world.   Nope -- a very small simple thing like looking at amazingly beautiful art can make your character feel elated.








The character doesn't have to act out all their feelings either (unless you have an over-the-top drama queen for a character), but they must feel them (and these feelings should be expressed in your story, either subtly through your character's body language, or explicitly by showing their thoughts from their POV). The story conflict should mean something to your character, it should make them feel something: they should feel threatened, enraged, scared, want to piss their pants and cry like a little baby, feel so happy they're going to explode, nervous with butterflies wringing their insides, on a climax so high they're never coming down again, glow with pride, experience real pain, they should feel on the verge of death. Then you will enthrall your audience and have them on the edge of their seat. Because we might all be different, but nobody hates an emotional rollercoaster. (except Seneca )



So is your story boring, specifically?

Well, look at your plot: does your character want something badly, bad enough they're willing to kill for it, to die for it? does getting what they want make your character feel like the happiest person alive? even if what they want is something minor like finding a parking spot?





Also look at your writing: do you show your character struggling against the odds? do you show your character's feelings? where do you show it? how? are your character's reactions believable (given the target audience you have in mind)?


If you don't know how to show something in a believable way, how to make it look realistic, research. Learn how other writers have handled such topics before. Read and learn about the topics themselves -- you don't have to be an expert football player to write a sports drama about high school lads playing football, but it helps to know something, especially if you intend to sell your story to high school aged football players .









TL;DR -- what a boring blog post

a) you haven't been paying Attention (go pay him now!  )
b) no, your story is not boring.  why do you even need to ask me?? I don't know your story, nobody knows it better than you do. you should be the one rooting for your own story, not strangers over the internet.
c) but ... but I thought you were my fwiend, not a stranger on the internet wtf kitty?
Please see above point a) ~~ a true friend would read my blog  
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Comments: 50

meanus [2019-10-16 00:03:48 +0000 UTC]

I have given up writing...it sux

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KaizenKitty In reply to meanus [2019-10-18 18:28:46 +0000 UTC]

pity... mayhaps one day?

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meanus In reply to KaizenKitty [2019-10-18 22:05:56 +0000 UTC]

i will be dead by then

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KaizenKitty In reply to meanus [2019-10-19 02:25:21 +0000 UTC]

awwwe no

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O-blue [2018-01-31 18:38:03 +0000 UTC]

Hi, I'm a writer/artist who stumbled upon your post, and I agree. Another thing that helps is language. A great, character-driven story can be written badly. It can take so many drafts to get it right. Whenever I feel exhausted, I just take a break and do other things unrelated to writing.
If you want a non-boring read, I have a couple of recommendations that I adored:
The Paper Magician by Charlie N. Holmberg (romance/urban fantasy)
The Absolutely True Diary of a Part-time Indian by Sherman Alexie (general fiction)
Redeeming Love by Francine Rivers (romance/Christian)

Regards,
a stranger from the Internets

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KaizenKitty In reply to O-blue [2018-02-01 11:04:49 +0000 UTC]

Thank you! ill check those out.

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O-blue In reply to KaizenKitty [2018-02-01 22:18:48 +0000 UTC]

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Nocturnaliss [2018-01-29 12:59:36 +0000 UTC]

I write, generally, without an outline - meaning I let my characters roam free. Only my NaNoWriMo novel had an outline, and even then... The characters took different paths, changed my ideas, and I ended up traipsing along. The characters changed a whole lot from conception to actual story, and still changed more along the way. I think writers may sometimes get too focussed on telling the story as they intend(ed) it, forcing characters into following the plotline. But the story gets better when you digress. Chances are that, when your characters surprise you, they'll be surprising your readers too. I do notice that when I try and follow my plotline a bit too much, I start getting bored - and that ends once I take a step back again, and hand the reins back over to the characters.

We may be the gods of our own little worlds, but our creations do have free will as well. That's how they flourish and make our created worlds a whole lot more interesting. Wouldn't our world be boring if we all acted as we are supposed to?

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KaizenKitty In reply to Nocturnaliss [2018-01-30 16:58:35 +0000 UTC]

Fair point! Thank you

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AnimaDynamicaCorp [2018-01-28 01:01:34 +0000 UTC]

Now this is reality, no kidding...

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KaizenKitty In reply to AnimaDynamicaCorp [2018-01-28 17:22:19 +0000 UTC]

yeah... ((haven't updated my main story since last August kmn plz ))

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Meterious [2018-01-22 15:20:56 +0000 UTC]

Perhaps take a break from the story, then come back to it with fresh eyes.  I left my first novel alone for a whole year before I came back to it, and god damn did I find a ton of things that needed fixing. 

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KaizenKitty In reply to Meterious [2018-01-22 16:19:58 +0000 UTC]

Maybe thank you!

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SunnyJohansen [2018-01-21 17:51:25 +0000 UTC]

Are you sure it's boring?  Maybe it's just boring to YOU and wouldn't be boring to the reader?
I can see that happening the more times you read through it.

Thank-you for this post.  It contained not only your concerns, but the many reasons for it, thereby educating us.

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KaizenKitty In reply to SunnyJohansen [2018-01-21 19:26:22 +0000 UTC]

^^ You're probably right! Thank you, glad it could help.

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GrimAlpaca [2018-01-21 01:19:16 +0000 UTC]

Why, a rant. Finally, you show what you truly think.

But, hey. Boring stories? People trained to hide their feelings lest being used by others? Puppet characters? The real question, here, is "why are authors unable to make their characters come alive?" As you may suspect, the two points are linked. How? Why? What to do? These questions are yours to answer.

Ciao!

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KaizenKitty In reply to GrimAlpaca [2018-01-21 05:19:04 +0000 UTC]

not really a rant... more like a loosely scripted writing craft blog. Recently I've been comparing different stories and analyzing why some fall flat compared to others. This blog is the outcome of that.  Do you disagree? Feel free to share why

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GrimAlpaca In reply to KaizenKitty [2018-01-21 16:29:28 +0000 UTC]

Can't say I disagree, no. The reasons you outlined are part of why I don't write anymore, and why I chose to be a critic instead.

However, I believe you should mention that, oftentimes, artists are the worst critics for their own works. Either one should gather beta readers, or they should allow some time to pass, before rereading their piece. It's impossible to be fair in judging your own work, if you finished writing it just yesterday.

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KaizenKitty In reply to GrimAlpaca [2018-01-21 19:38:01 +0000 UTC]

Oh. Analyzing stories and pinpointing their strengths and weaknesses can be a lot of fun too certainly useful


Yes, that's true!

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GrimAlpaca In reply to KaizenKitty [2018-01-21 20:18:47 +0000 UTC]

Overall, an interesting journal entry. See ya.

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LadySeshiiria [2018-01-20 00:55:22 +0000 UTC]

Damn I forgot one thing, I don't know that I want my ship to happen in story. The opposite of a HAE ending but I read online that it doesn't sell. That it pisses people off whats your thoughts on this? A cost so high, that it costs a relationship?

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KaizenKitty In reply to LadySeshiiria [2018-01-20 16:24:38 +0000 UTC]

It depends how your story starts out (what sort of set up you use) -- as long as you don't 'promise' your readers a happy ever after I think it should be fine. You can do a lot of things with the story's setup -- the tone of the story and the way how you foreshadow events to come all influence readers' expectations.


personally there are several reasons why I don't ship characters and would be happy to see them break up in the end:

1) when I strongly dislike one of the characters and feel like the other character deserves to be with someone better.
2) when (at least) one of the charactrs are not ready for a relationship (either being too young or too immature or too busy or having conflicting goals that are more important than their romance -- like saving the world -- or suffering from a disease or an addiction that consumes all their energy so they have nothing left for their partner). Then I would be okay with them not being romantically involved at the story end, because I could imagine them getting together at a later point in time, when the characters have gotten over whatever obstacle hindered their romance.
3) when the characters don't suit each other, when they are too different to find a workable compromise
4) when the story is told from the POV of a third character whom I can relate to strongly and who is in love with one of the characters that are in a relationship -- then the POV character wants to break them up and I want to too, because the writer convinced me to root for the POV character and we don't get the POV of the other rival character.

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LadySeshiiria In reply to KaizenKitty [2018-01-23 04:34:22 +0000 UTC]

I like your list and I heavily agree. I think part of my problem with having 7 different endings picked out and having a hard time deciding, is that is has something to do with me wanting the couple to end up together but deep down inside I want it to be realistic. So I have ending where the character ends up alone because of their job. Main ends up with main male (Her desired mate ultimate for her), main ends up with his twin her betrothal (Whom she settles for but also feels awkward around seeing him mostly as a brother.), Her master (Trainer and spiritual leader), Main character moves to another world and ends up with another man outside of the equation, harem ending (religious sect weirdness: remember the spiritual leader/trainer?) and finally a fractured persona united into one being so each of those males the three, not the off world one, reunite in one being since gods cursed him and then he redeemed himself. So what I would call the ultimate happy ending for him but not completely satisfying for her since she likes the one aspect more.

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LadySeshiiria [2018-01-20 00:53:18 +0000 UTC]

While I haven't hit this stage yet, I must make a suggestion and see if it will help. Have you thought to analyze those boring stories and point out exactly why they are boring/ don't work. You said the emotions of the characters going through stuff was robotic. Why was that? Did the author fail to use emotion in dialogue or narrative? What stuck out? I would look at it in a deeper way, and note it as what not to do. Maybe share it in a journal so it can be a reminder? Kind of like doing a review on someone else's writing. It helps me a lot to do this. I usually pick up on bad grammar and poorly written stuff and make a mental note of the quality that I don't want to mimic. 
Another thing you could try is exploring outside your genre. I hated reading outside my genre and I finally broke out of it last year. Started reading non-fiction books, and other genre's besides fantasy. I think its helped me see other disciplines and how to use them in my genre. Like non-fictional writing, I can apply the grammar and concise context to help me work on not dragging out my scenes which can become boring. I've learned how to better explain things, essentially. Word choice and such. While a lot of people with say show not tell, many published authors still use telling every now and then when necessary. In fact some of the greats use a mixture of both from time to time. Another thing I've learned from reading outside of my genre was how to inject ideas and other non-genre tropes into my own. Like murder mystery's and who done it's into fantasy, while I know it has been done, it hasn't been done that often. Freshens things up a bit. 

You mentioned the possibility of changing tastes. I used to read a lot of fantasy growing up, while its my primary goal to write in this genre since its my favorite for movies and video games and such. I find myself bored reading within the genre too. So I think this is why I started venturing outside my own genre, mostly with non-fiction. I've been opened up to learning new skills, and even personal stories which inspire creative thought outside of the normal tropes in my own. It would seem certain genre's can become formulaic after a while, so by reading autobiographies and biographies, I've had a fresh take on drama, turmoil, and potentially new ideas to inject into my writing. Its not a bad thing, it means your ready to expand and grow, and this is going to be an awesome opportunity for you and me! It will give you new/fresh ideas for your stories!

Agreed on the misplaced and overdone tropes and trite characters. I find myself wanting to follow the 80's fantasy D and D style fantasies. I love them, while they are formulaic and what not, I still think what goes out of style will eventually swing back into style at one point or another. I've seen Robert Jordan, and Piers Anthony repeatedly swing back into the IT books. So while some authors can be bad and sometimes hack-kneed from time to time I have noticed people sometimes come back to read them out of nostalgia. Sometimes to even poke fun at the plot, kind of like how my husband and I like to watch bad/terrible horror movies to laugh are asses off at the horrible special effects or dialogue and the campy one size fits all characters. XD So aside from this, yes, I think when people have been at it for a long time and have built a household name they tend to not try and become lazy. It doesn't help that people tend to overlook the trite and poorly executed. The can do no wrong mind-set. I'm afraid I'm going to write poorly myself. And do just what we all fear, writing junk... :/ I encourage you to keep trying though. I think its common for use to feel highs and lows in writing. If it doesn't feel right, it can always be improved, and outside perspective always help. If your having trouble on a piece shoot me a note kk. I will look at it with you, and having a fresh pair can be an amazing thing! I wish I had that more myself, but I'm trying to keep mine under wraps as much as possible so I can traditionally publish. Can be hard, only have a few people who look at my work, my husband is one. I love how he is honest and is willing to cut it apart and really roast me, having been a writer for a paper and site.

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"So is your story boring, specifically?

Well, look at your plot: does your character want something badly, bad enough they're willing to kill for it, to die for it? does getting what they want make your character feel like the happiest person alive? even if what they want is something minor like finding a parking spot?"

I agree with your sentiments on this. I think part of the fun in how long you can torture the character and especially the audience. I think if you can push the readers to get antsy or/and ship characters or pray for a pay off, keeping them guessing and stuff like that it helps. I think what I like the most in drama is not having my way immediately as a viewer. I don't like instant gratification, I don't want my sex scene right now: even if I want it. I want to be teased till I can't stand it anymore. XD I think this makes for good writing to if its handled properly.

Totally agree on researching characters as well, which you have brought up a lot. I recently read a persons blog on being a home-school child and how they are tired of the misconceptions in literature about home-schooling. The norm in literature being only less than 1% of actual people in that situation. I found it to be really insightful. I always think going to the source is a good idea! So kudos on your advice there.

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KaizenKitty In reply to LadySeshiiria [2018-01-20 15:09:14 +0000 UTC]

Yup -- the dreaded fear of writing craptastic shite keeps me editing for months on end. I thought i'd be done with chapter 6 by now but here we are. Thank you so much for offering to beta! Can I send you a note with the 11,000 'clean' words? [feel free to rip it apart or really say anything about it... if you have time of course ]


Yes ^_^ maybe one day i'll write an in depth analysis of those stories (that would take quite a while though -- maybe when im done writing my current stories been working on Bodach Killa since January 2015 and I've only finished 1/3 of it ...im such a slow writer T_T )


It's both narration and dialogue (and even the plot itself sometimes, and in case of visual media like film and TV shows sometimes it's the actor's body language that doesn't fit with what they're saying... this is not always the script writer's fault... but ) -- some stories just don't show a character's emotional journey as well as others do. I'm greatly impressed with how some writers can craft a deeply satisfying emotionally resonating scene, and then there are stories that don't do that for me -- stories that make me roll my eyes and wonder why I wasted time & money on this


True, it's good to read widely, outside of one's genre. Still I do prefer Romance -- even in Fantasy novels, I mostly read them for the romance subplot recently read a book called The Awakened Mage by Karen Miller, have you read it? It's pretty good (the story was fun however the writing style leaves quite a bit to be desired, ^^ and it's like a fairytale with how 'evil' the baddie is and the black & white morality, if you can overlook that you'll enjoy the book), the romance in it was fine (had a rather sappy happy ever after ending, but I can live with that ), though my favorite character died at the end :/ still looking for fanfiction with him in it, but there's so little to be found.....


Agree with you 100% when it comes to setting up stuff and readers expectations and love the way you word it!

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LadySeshiiria In reply to KaizenKitty [2018-01-20 16:02:20 +0000 UTC]

Sure go ahead and send it, I'll take a look at it.

You'll probably like my fantasy then because it has a romance sub-plot in it. Though I have 7 different endings picked out. :/ All really good ideas. Some or HEA others are HFN and others are tragic, or unsatisfying for the reader like an unexpected turn out. The unsatisfying is my favorite ending though. I think sometimes we don't always get what we want and it can make for a good ending too.

I'll check it out.

Thanks! I was scared I was babbling while writing this piece. Been sick and really tired.

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KaizenKitty In reply to LadySeshiiria [2018-01-20 16:51:15 +0000 UTC]

Thank you!


Unexpected twist endings can be satisfying (especially when you reread the whole story and everything makes sense -- the hints were there all along you just didn't notice them).


O.O sorry, hope you recover soon.

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LadySeshiiria In reply to KaizenKitty [2018-01-23 04:25:47 +0000 UTC]

No problem I live in a polluted area so I think that's why I'm sick. I will get t o you story sometime this week. Sound good? I've been resting a lot. Sick kids wear you out.

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KaizenKitty In reply to LadySeshiiria [2018-01-23 13:26:33 +0000 UTC]

Thank you

O.O hope your kid gets better.

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LadySeshiiria In reply to KaizenKitty [2018-01-23 18:28:59 +0000 UTC]

Thanks! hugs!

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chateaugrief [2018-01-19 23:48:47 +0000 UTC]

solid writing advice.  If you know all this, I suspect your story isn't actually boring.  keep fighting!  

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KaizenKitty In reply to chateaugrief [2018-01-20 14:31:02 +0000 UTC]

Thank you!

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N64King [2018-01-19 21:57:25 +0000 UTC]

Just wondering, do you want someone to help "proofread" your stories? I am an avid reader, mostly with biographies and historical events, but I could help with proofreading fiction if you ever need it. I know what you said about beta readers, but maybe a new perspective would be useful?

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KaizenKitty In reply to N64King [2018-01-20 14:33:35 +0000 UTC]

Oh wow -- thank you for offering! That would be great, (if you don't mind my chapters can be rather long though -- it's 11K so far... can I send it to you?)

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N64King In reply to KaizenKitty [2018-01-20 20:58:30 +0000 UTC]

What way could you send it to me (email is the most convenient)? What do you mean by 11K? Like words? Don't worry about how long your chapters are, my only limit is if your chapters are longer than the chapters in the "Tanks and Armored Fighting Vehicles Encyclopedia."

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KaizenKitty In reply to N64King [2018-01-29 03:51:17 +0000 UTC]

^^ Ah, okay! Thank you. (yes 11,000 words ~ it's about half of the chapter) Would a deviantArt note be okay? ^^

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N64King In reply to KaizenKitty [2018-01-29 18:22:31 +0000 UTC]

A note would be perfect! 11,000 words is definitely no problem. Will I be proofing for grammatical errors and such or just giving you my overall opinion? Do not worry, I will not be rude with my opinion. I look forward to reading your story!

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KaizenKitty In reply to N64King [2018-01-30 17:04:56 +0000 UTC]

^^ Thank you! sending right now

The grammar & spelling issues should all have been resolved by now (I hope) it's a clean 'final' draft version of chapter 6.  id love to hear your views on it. feel free to tell me if the story drags in some places (then I can cut the redundant parts) or if I should elaborate in other places.

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N64King In reply to KaizenKitty [2018-01-30 19:11:34 +0000 UTC]

I will be sure to give you my opinion in a professional way! Thank you for letting me read your stories!

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KaizenKitty In reply to N64King [2018-01-30 21:35:33 +0000 UTC]

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RedLuigi2887 [2018-01-19 17:15:38 +0000 UTC]

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KaizenKitty In reply to RedLuigi2887 [2018-01-19 18:16:49 +0000 UTC]

? too much negativity?

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RedLuigi2887 In reply to KaizenKitty [2018-01-19 18:33:31 +0000 UTC]

It's ok Kaiz, everything is gonna be just fine
 

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KaizenKitty In reply to RedLuigi2887 [2018-01-19 18:54:36 +0000 UTC]

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StettafireZero [2018-01-19 15:20:38 +0000 UTC]

You raise a number of valid points. I prefer to write with the characters first. If someone doesn't suit the character's personality then I won't write it. 
(A few exceptions being if the character is drunk then they'll behave differently from when they're sober etc)

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KaizenKitty In reply to StettafireZero [2018-01-19 18:16:32 +0000 UTC]

Thank you! That's a good strategy.


(it can be a lot of fun to write drunken characters )

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StettafireZero In reply to KaizenKitty [2018-01-19 18:42:35 +0000 UTC]

Well... I'm a bit mean to my characters and there was one part of a writing project where the main character was involved in a massive battle with the undead and he arrived all injured and beat-up in another country. So, I played on the idea that he wouldn't be thinking straight and had all the people around him appear like skeletons and so forth, causing the character to freak out.

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KaizenKitty In reply to StettafireZero [2018-01-19 18:59:35 +0000 UTC]

awesome! sounds like a very cool scene. do your undead have supernatural abilities or are they just like the living?



a writer has to be mean to their characters -- breeds the best conflict

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StettafireZero In reply to KaizenKitty [2018-01-19 20:38:30 +0000 UTC]

Their ability is not dying, they just keep coming which causes a lot of problems for the living. So not really going the supernatural route.

I agree! Conflict is the centre of plot!

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KaizenKitty In reply to StettafireZero [2018-01-20 14:34:40 +0000 UTC]

O.O oooo scary!

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