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Published: 2013-01-01 19:16:54 +0000 UTC; Views: 1002; Favourites: 16; Downloads: 13
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Description So I was doodling my wonderful Knabstrupper, Frank, earlier just because, and it turned into this. I liked it, so I turned it into his ref. I'm also going to upload Jolins ref full sized, because after all the designs and such, I don't think I'm going to be able to fit them all on that canvas.

I like how the headshots turned out but i'm not a fan of the proportions on the full body jumping picture... Especially not the ribs and stomach but whatever.

Show Name: Famous Last Words
Barn Name: Frankie
Age: 5 years old
Breed: Knabstrupper
Height: 16hh
Gender: Stallion
Color: Black Leopard
Markings: Leopard spots, black leg
Bloodline: Starter

Sire: -
SireSire: -
SireDam: -

Dam: -

Genetics: Ee/aa/LpLp
Available for stud or private lease: Yes, but to VERY specific mares
Temperament- Gentlemanly, easygoing, high-engergy
Discipline: Three Day Eventing [Showjumping, Dressage, and Cross Country]
Personality: Frank is incredibly easy to get along with and ride. Training him was a breeze because he seemed to know what he was doing wrong and correct himself. He can be very confrontational if you approach him the wrong way, but for the most part he's just a huge helping hand for the stables. Easygoing as he is, Frank's 'fight or flight mechanism' is always set to fight, causing him to attack when threatened. That's caused us a few problems with other stallions but they can usually resolve the problems themselves.
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Comments: 26

Hazel-rah [2015-10-12 14:26:54 +0000 UTC]

I have to find a mare for him. He's lovely! He's still available for stud, right?

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kalixtii In reply to Hazel-rah [2015-10-12 23:07:38 +0000 UTC]

Of course ^^ and thank you for commenting on this because it reminded me that he needs a new ref!

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Hazel-rah In reply to kalixtii [2015-10-13 01:41:31 +0000 UTC]

Ok, I'll let you know when I've found a mare I think could suit him. Also, is he a Classical (Baroque) type or a Sport (WB) type?

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kalixtii In reply to Hazel-rah [2015-10-13 02:51:03 +0000 UTC]

Build wise he's somewhere in between but he would be classified as a WB

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Hazel-rah In reply to kalixtii [2016-02-01 14:15:16 +0000 UTC]

I think I found a mare I'd like to use on him. The leopard one, here, Nereida: rosela.deviantart.com/art/Knab… Let me know if she's suitable, and I'll start on the breeding pic.

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kalixtii In reply to Hazel-rah [2016-02-01 22:07:17 +0000 UTC]

Sorry, I'd rather have him bred to a 100% realistic mare, but let me know if you find another girl

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Hazel-rah In reply to kalixtii [2016-02-01 22:23:30 +0000 UTC]

Oh, she is realistic.Β  Because I'm the same way, haha. I don't breed any non-realistic colored horses.
Her base color is a chimeric or somatic mutation found in horses (extremely rarely, but it exists.) It's comparable to brindle, for example. So, it's not a traditional color, but rather a once-in-a-million cropout defect of the genes deciding which color a horse will become. Here are a few real life example photos: www.mustangs4us.com/New_Images… s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/2… s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/7…
This genetics page also details chimeric mutations, near the bottom of the page: www.whitehorseproductions.com/… And this page also explains it further: www.tawnyhorse.com/?page_id=12…

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kalixtii In reply to Hazel-rah [2016-02-01 22:37:11 +0000 UTC]

If it were a somatic mutation she would be bay and black instead of bay and chestnut, bay and chestnut somatic cannot exist since horses don't just randomly change their genetics in one spot. Somatic and chimera are also two totally different things, and brindling and chimera result from the same fusing of two embryos of different colors, resulting in two sets of genes, whereas somatic is a group of genes getting switched off on a single horse resulting in their base color showing through (for example a somatic palomino would have chestnut patches if it wasn't grey and bloody shoulders on horses are somatic). I've found exactly no evidence that Β bay and chestnut chimera exists, rather the chimera seems to manifest as brindling on bay horses and even then it's still not chestnut. Bay and chestnut chimera can theoretically happen but until it happens in real life and there are pictures posted I'm still considering it unrealistic. Feel free to find a different mare though.

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Hazel-rah In reply to kalixtii [2016-02-01 23:01:18 +0000 UTC]

Well, I just got toooold lol. I didn't know that fun fact! Thanks for enlightening me. I'll see what I can find in replacement and get back to you. Thanks!

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kalixtii In reply to Hazel-rah [2016-02-01 23:06:00 +0000 UTC]

No problem xD I actually did a ton of research before responding to you cause I was kinda sideeyes about the bay and chestnut combo Β 

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Hazel-rah In reply to kalixtii [2016-02-02 04:04:25 +0000 UTC]

Hm.. Sorry to bring you into this. But I just want your two cents on the reply I got back from the mare's owner: comments.deviantart.com/1/3210…
Lol, I think I understand your train of thought, but I just wanted your input on what she had to say about it?

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kalixtii In reply to Hazel-rah [2016-02-02 04:30:36 +0000 UTC]

Everything she's saying is correct except it kinda sounds like she's calling the black and bay horses chimeric instead of somatic? It's really easy to tell if a horse is chimeric or somatic because if they're somatic they've only got one patch/one group of streaks of the color and if they're chimeric they've got several different sections of each the only chimera i can think of with only 1 of each color is that i think icelandic that has splash so its head and rump are the only things not white but its head is chestnut and its rump and tail are black. I mean with the current theory about it any color is possible like i could make a smoky black and palomino chimeric brindle with every single modifying gene out there that can appear at the same time and it could realistically happen as long as the sire and dam can produce it but because it's never happened in real life it remains a theory rather than an actual possibility, much like chimeric horses that aren't just chestnut and black(though apparently white modifiers appear on them but idk about the leopard complex. brindling does stay when a horse greys out though so it'll stay dark provided the other embryo didnt get the grey gene) It doesn't help that beyond knowing kinda how chimera, somatic, and brindling appears that there is pretty much nothing else known about it. Like they know it's two embryos fusing and a set of genes getting switched off but they have no idea why or what the circumstances that cause it are or anything.

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Hazel-rah In reply to kalixtii [2016-02-02 11:27:56 +0000 UTC]

Hm.. so it's still a no-go, I'm assuming? :/

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kalixtii In reply to Hazel-rah [2016-02-02 20:06:05 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, still a no on her.

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Hazel-rah In reply to kalixtii [2016-02-03 22:30:09 +0000 UTC]

Ok, I found this lady, who I'm thinking might be an interesting candidate for a Foundation Knab to cross to Frank: fadingtime.deviantart.com/art/…

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kalixtii In reply to Hazel-rah [2016-02-03 22:57:36 +0000 UTC]

She would be great

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Hazel-rah In reply to kalixtii [2016-02-04 00:58:05 +0000 UTC]

Super! I'll let you guys know when I've done the mating pic & foal. Thanks!

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theredjennies [2013-01-10 01:45:00 +0000 UTC]

Famous Last Words aka Frank. Love the name!

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kalixtii In reply to theredjennies [2013-01-10 01:47:28 +0000 UTC]

Thankies! Frank appreciates it

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clintissimo [2013-01-01 19:35:00 +0000 UTC]

looks awesome jyynxxieeee, still have to send you a show

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kalixtii In reply to clintissimo [2013-01-01 19:44:36 +0000 UTC]

Thankiesss <3

And I was just about to go stalk groups ;D Do you have a skype?

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clintissimo In reply to kalixtii [2013-01-01 19:57:03 +0000 UTC]

Yess but i cant talk because i lost my webcam sorry p
skype : joyceedynamic

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kalixtii In reply to clintissimo [2013-01-01 20:39:41 +0000 UTC]

Okies XD Request sent ;D

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clintissimo In reply to kalixtii [2013-01-01 20:44:11 +0000 UTC]

Hahaha i accepted

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kalixtii In reply to clintissimo [2013-01-01 20:49:39 +0000 UTC]

It doesn't show that you did D:

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clintissimo In reply to kalixtii [2013-01-01 21:05:00 +0000 UTC]

Huh? wait i did

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