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So Ive had "mappers block" for over a month now and this is what I decided to do. Plenty of people use the idea of the Republic of California and the Republic of Oregon/Cascadia, but my map is a bit different. It took me a while to make this map and Im still not completely satisfied with it but here it is.___________________________________________________
If youre reading this then I havent written down the history yet.
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This is actually a lil on the old side, so the story has changed a bit, as had the map, but I haven't finished the new one yet.
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it's different indeed, and fantastic. I'd like to know how they got Alaska... and does canada have a usesless pacific coastline that's tiny here?
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In this map, they purchase Alaska from Russia after the American Civil War, but I've since rethought the scenario and believe that Britain would have purchased Alaska to give BNA a larger coastline. And yes, in this scenario Canada has a tiny useless coastline.
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Twalty's capital is like speaking Asturias
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*Twality
Astoria was a western fort built by the Astors, a wealthy family in the east that hired fur traders to hunt beavers in the Oregon Country.
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Your welcome!^^
But seeing the map you made got me thinking of the Cascadia independence movement, and
 how geographically similar it looks to Russia's colonial claims in north america upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia⦠ .
Do you think this is more than a coincidence?
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It's not a coincidence, but they're not really related. When the Russian's explored the American northwest, they laid claim to the coast and sometimes all the way to the continental divide. The Cascadian independence movement claims much of the lands west of the continental divide as well with geographic boundaries in the north and south. Although they encompass much of the same land, the Cascadian independence movement is not in any way caused by Russia's claims, but rather they are shaped by natural features in the region.
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Bu it is an interesting idea to think about what a republic of the
Pacific would have looked like.
The only ways I can see this having becoming true is eitherΒ
Russia solidify it's claims in north America, OR the Oregon boundary
dispute ending with Oregon county becoming an independentΒ
from both Britain and the United States.
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Idea: Make a Soviet Union with Alaska, then dissolve it along with Alaska
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But how, may I ask, did the USSR obtain Alaska?
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if Russia never sold Alaska.
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For what reason would they not sell Alaska?
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Hey there, sorry to bother you, may I ask, what texture do you use to underlay your map and give it that "old feel"? Thanks for your time
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I just make all of the colors, when I fill them in, about 60% opacity, and put a simple .bmp picture of an old piece of paper I found on the internet behind it so it looks like the colors were actuallyΒ colored on the paper. Thats what I do, since I havent found any good looking paper textures that simply fill in over the map without dimming the colors to much.
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Beautiful map and I love the idea, but you know that one state is in dange rof being known as "ShampooEgg/EggShampoo"
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Thanks. Seeing as how thats the historical name of the area and I didnt make it up or name it that I think its okay
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YES!!! I've been working on something simaler, but i had no idea what to call the western united states. I had Pacific Republic and Federal Republic of Western America, but yours is way better.
May i use it???
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Of course! I used it because of the significance of the Columbia River in the history of the country (not to mention British Columbia and the Columbia District).
It fits much better than calling the entire area California or Cascadia
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All things considered, this is a nicely done map.
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Gracias mi fellow Filipino
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No problem at all! ^^
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Cascadia is a weird national idea, imo, but still looks nice on a map.
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The actual Cascadia independence movement today is a longshot, but at the time the question of Oregonian independence was brought up more than once
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It's never made any sense to me, they don't have any particular heritage as a region to even advocate independence.
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I agree that they dont have as much heritage as I do (Im a Texan)but they do have heritage in a way.
-They were politically isolated from the governments in Washington and Ottowa.
-Their future wasnt certain. BNA or the USA or something inbetween? They didnt have control over their own destinies.
-They were the manifestation of the American spirit that brought the origional settlers to the colonies. They were more free willed.
Among other things
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They don't have a united heritage. Western Canada had no reason to join the American northwestern states, and California even less, so the idea of Cascadia is only because the Libertarians had a strong base there before falling away.
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Sorry I was lookin for a certain comment and found this again. If you were talking about the modern Cascadian independence movement, then I agree, but if you were talking about Oregonian independence in the 1840s then no, I dont agree, because western Canada and NW America were the same thing so they did have a united heritage.
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They never have, and don't now. Canadians in Western Canada never thought of separating, they simply were administratively separate for awhile because London did so, not the people, and when they joined Canada, that was that. They never wanted independence as a populace. Some thinkers and philosophers did, but there were no independence movements.
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First point, they werent Canadians because Canada wouldnt exist for another 20 years. Second point, the area was administratively separate because it wasnt a part British North America or the USA, and yet it was a part of both because of the joint administration. Keep in mind, we're talking about the Oregon Country as a whole, not just British Columbia. American settlers created laws and a temporary constitution that outlined two possibilities, annexation by the USA or independence. That is true. Their laws were meant to extend to and protect all the inhabitants of the Oregon Country, including British settlers. Albeit, the British settlers didnt always recognize these laws, and they had laws of their own, but they were protected all the same.
Also keep in mind that in this timeline, the Mexican-American War is avoided and American troops occupied the entire area, forcibly removing British settlers and putting pressure on the local inhabitants to feed and house more soldiers than they can possibly cope with. This is what drives the Oregon people, American and British, to work together for the first time. I dont pretend that in OTL there was ever an overwhelming threat like this to force the British settlers to work with the American ones, but at least in this timeline they do and it makes as much sense as anything else in history.
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Americans aren't really a threat when their is no real identity to assimilate.
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Its more like two different identities that are forced to merge. Americans, in the scenario in this map, would most certainly be a threat, not to the "culture" of the region, but to the well being and rights of the people who settled there.
Its a regional identity
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Are you criticizing the modern Cascadian independence movement or the history in my map???
If its my map then I would like to point out that the 13 colonies didnt have a united heritage either, but look at them now.
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The concept in general, not yours.
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Now that I think about it, the only thing separating Texas and the Oregon country is our respective revolution.
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Its Pacific coastline is very small, but yes it has one
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Probably on the Atlantic coast, unless the Maritimes and Newfoundland are seperate entities.
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What about the Saint Lawrence?
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The Saint Lawrence is only as good as your access to the gulf thereof. IF, and thats a pretty damn big "if", the Maratimes and Newfoundland worked together, they could probably restrict access, especially if they were backed by Britain or the States.
Of course I have no idea what the situtation in eastern N. America is, and its probably not that lol.
Any ideas at all regarding the genesis of this loverly nation called Columbia?
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Nothing that exciting going on there. Newfoundland is still as stubborn as ever about staying a separate dominion,and the Maritimes are still part of the confederation.
I know exactly how Columbia came to be but I wont have time to type it out until probably tomarrow so Ill give you a simple version.
-Polk's predecessor starts the proccess of coming to a compromise with Mexico over the Rep. of Texas. Texas loses some of its claims but we avoid war.
-After Polk is elected he uses a show of force in the disputed Oregon Country/Columbia district to try and bring about the annexation of the area all the way up to the 54 40.
-American troops arrive in Astoria(Oregon) to start deporting local British settlers, demanding the local provisional government to supply the troops and to hand over documentation of British settlement in the area.
-The provisional government refuses to aid the American army, argueing that the British settlers in the area were protected by the Organic Laws instituted by the Oregon people.
-The army reacts by disbanding the provisional government, taking the supplies and documentation by force, and instituting a military governor.
-British settlers north of the Columbia River refuse to leave there lands and openly revolt against the American occupiers.
-Local British leaders and Oregon leaders meet in secrecy to discuss revolution.
-Columbian independence is declared and local militias are gathered to combat the Americans.
-Few battles are one but the Americans are forced to pull there troops back across the rocky mountains after the British were threated to declare war on them, but held back in the hope of keeping good relations.
-The USA recognized Columbian independence and incouraged the British to do so as well. They would rather have a democracy in the west than have the British monarchy gain control over the entire area.
-Columbian revolutinary spirit spread to Californian settlers as they declared their independence from Mexico.
-Recieving no aide from the USA, who had formed a lasting peace with Mexico, the Californian "government" reached out to the Columbian government for help in exchange for annexation.
-Columbia went to war with with Mexico and eventually annexed Alta California.
-Years later, a newly arrived American named William Walker and forty men conquered Baja California in the hope of insituting slavery in the south of Columbia. His movement gained popularity and Columbia invaded Baja California and Sonora. Walker's dream of slavery was never realized and slavery was never instituted.
-Alyeska was sold to Columbia by the Russian Empire.
-The Kingdom of Hawaii was undermined and destroyed by Columbian missionaries and the Columbian government and the islands were annexed.
-After a dispute with the German Empire, the Samoa islands were purchased by Columbia.
-The Mariana Islands were sold to the German Empire after the Spanish-American War and the Phillippine Revolt. During WW1 Japan took the islands from Germany, and in WW2 Columbia took the islands from Japan.
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Gracias mi amigo satanico
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